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Not much in the news to cover, except unfortunate deaths around the world.

Hosted by:

- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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https://mindlessmeanderings.com

(00:00:19) Intro

(00:03:30) Faith, and free will

(00:07:37) College volleyball outing

(00:13:07) Kicking off topics; Trumps AI order and federal overreach

(00:17:05) Remote work vs. return to office and classroom learning

(00:21:45) California budget woes and state comparisons

(00:27:18) Immigration cases and an ICE arrest with a twist

(00:31:02) Rob Reiners killing and reactions; Trump backlash

(00:37:35) Campus free speech clash at Oklahoma University

(00:47:23) DoorDash pepper spray food story and U.S. security cases

(00:53:23) FBI stings, entrapment questions, and New Years plot

(00:55:32) Australian Hanukkah attack and police response critique

(01:03:01) Louvre strike and European farmer protests

(01:07:22) Ukraine peace talk contours and NATO question

(01:09:08) Value-for-value support break and contact info

(01:10:20) Live translation gadgets and the universal translator dream

(01:14:26) AI translation nuance and idioms across languages

(01:14:47) Studies on short videos and attention hijacking

(01:18:58) Comic relief and sign-off

[00:00:20] Jesse Fries:

Good afternoon,   everybody.   It is Monday, December 15, and we are live with episode 86 of the minus meanderings.   I'm Jesse Fries, and I I I'm charging my watch, but I I I just keep looking at my wrist, and I wanna know what time it is. It's just so annoying sometimes.  

[00:00:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And I'm Jamin Freese, and   I am mourning the Chiefs.   Yeah. Uh-huh. We are knocked out of playoffs.  

[00:00:51] Jesse Fries:

Yes. You are. Yes. You are. That that there was a   a I'm happy to see that. But, you know, it's Yeah.   It it's,   yeah. No. They were just outgunned this whole season.   Oh, they've yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:01:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Now with Mahomes being out for the rest of the season, at least, it's,   Well, there there's no potential, so it doesn't matter. Yeah. Right. Right. At at least we don't have to think about, well, you know, are we still gonna make it with the with the new quarterbacks, you know. Right. Right. It it was that that is completely out of the water. So now the Chiefs can actually test around with any   potential changes and, you know, changes Oh, yeah. They might wanna make for the rest of the season. So Completely. That that's a good thing there. But,   hopefully, Mahomes' injury doesn't isn't   terribly bad. I know it's a torn ACL, which is horrible. But, Right. It's  

[00:01:46] Jesse Fries:

it it was the same leg that he had issues with anyways. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was basically because   I I watched the game, and it   that tackle wasn't much of anything. It was more the guy was trying not to hit him because and then Mhmm. Mahomes just basically tripped is how it looked to me.  

[00:02:07] Jamon Fries:

The last couple of games, it's really been showing that his knee was hurting him again.   You know, when it when he was scrambling and stuff like that with he during the play, you couldn't really see it real bad. Right. But he was always limping after the play. Mhmm.   So I knew that there was something going on with his leg, but, unfortunately,   it's   a season ending, hopefully, not career ending injury.  

[00:02:33] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully. It should be better.   Yeah. I saw he tweeted it. I think those are something they can usually come back from. So Yeah. No. No. He had a tweet or something like that. It's like, I don't know why this had to happen. It's like, what   what do you mean by that? It had to okay. Sure. Okay. I I I Well, peep people people say that  

[00:02:55] Jamon Fries:

not meaning that, like, it had to happen, but, like,   it happened.  

[00:03:01] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But to me, that means It it  

[00:03:03] Jamon Fries:

the when when you say, I don't know why this had to happen,   it's the same as saying, that's literally like, you know, this.  

[00:03:13] Jesse Fries:

I I'm not sure. I'm not sure because some people are religious. A qualifier. Some people are religious and they I think they say that God made it happen. You know? They say God has a plan and everything is part of his plan. You know, that sort of thing. That's kinda how I read it, you know, but   maybe it's just a turn of phrase. I don't know. I don't know. But, yeah. I I always look at it as a turn of phrase. I mean, I  

[00:03:35] Jamon Fries:

I don't know. I   I'm fairly religious   and   Right. I would never blame God for anything that happened.  

[00:03:44] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's how some people are. They go, why'd you die, God? Why'd you do that? It's like  

[00:03:50] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Well, you know, I mean, the the the way I look at it is shit's gonna happen.   Mhmm. But   because I believe in God, I believe that God will find a way to make it for the best for me. Right. Right. Yeah. I think it depends on, you know. I think it all depends on, like, how far  

[00:04:10] Jesse Fries:

you think God intervenes, you know. I think Yes. Yes. I think we were raised in terms of some people there are some people that truly believe  

[00:04:19] Jamon Fries:

that every thought, every decision Right. Everything that happens to you is preordained by God. No. Exactly. Don't quite go that far. Yeah. No. I I I think our family generally believed just as in,  

[00:04:32] Jesse Fries:

you know, what what whatever gut or anything like that, but basically just believed   that Yep.   If there is a god, it's not really he's not in every minutiae of your life. You know? It's, so  

[00:04:44] Jamon Fries:

Well, the and for me, it's because there's there is a there is a place in the Bible where it says that he gave man free will.  

[00:04:53] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. But then you have people like Martin Luther that say we don't have free will.  

[00:04:58] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I know.   Yeah.   Who knows?  

[00:05:04] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. No. No. Exactly. But but, actually, that whole Martin Luther thing, that that actually because there for a while, I was wrestling with it because I've never had faith. Mhmm. Never really had faith or anything like that because it's just you know, I I don't know why.   At Martin Luther, you know, basically, the whole idea that, we don't have free will is that if you're meant to be religious, the holy spirit will come to you.   So,   you you you know, to me, that's, like, good. Okay. Well, I I guess I'm off the hook. It it actually settled my brain completely. It really did. Yeah. Kind of funny. So Yeah. I know. I I can see that.   Yeah. I I I have nothing.  

You know, I just  

[00:05:44] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And and it and one of and it's one of those things where if you're really questioning it, if you have   if there's thoughts in your minds, like, mind, like,   why can't I believe in this? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You know? Then   hearing something like that, it's it's gonna be a huge relief. It's gonna be like a weight taken off your shoulders. Yeah. It's like so many people believe  

[00:06:08] Jesse Fries:

actually believe, you know. And to me that that Yeah. I I I've I've actually   I think that's why   I've always cracked jokes at church, everything like that, because I just don't take it seriously. I I I think it's a joke. Yeah. I I think it's just this whole   that it's it's just how I've always been. You know? There's not Yeah. Yeah. It's just who I am. I I I can't even explain it, you know.  

[00:06:31] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. For for me, the religious aspect has always been there. But for me, the joke is the organized religion.   No. I understand. The church body and stuff like that. Yeah. But I mean, you know, that that comes from me going to a parochial high school   of a different synod and hearing the pastors tell me that I'm damned to hell because I'm from a different senate, you know. Well, yeah. Of course. I just kinda looked at it. I'm like, well, shit.   You know? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. And then I get grow up a little bit, and I get involved in in a church and kind of into the politics. And   fuck. The politics is here is worse here than you hear about in the government.  



[00:07:12] Jesse Fries:

Oh, god. Yes. God. Yes. You you you know So, like, what the hell is up with this? You know? I got small   it's like the smaller the government   or organization, the more it can get crazy. You know? You know? It's a yeah.  

[00:07:31] Jamon Fries:

Well, that that was a weird tangent that we went on there. But Yeah. Yeah. That that works good. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyways, I I was gonna ask you. Did you watch the Lions game?  

[00:07:41] Jesse Fries:

I was in and out of it. Okay. Because me and the family,   University of Texas,   they were in regional finals,   for women's volleyball. Oh, okay. And we actually went to the game.   They were playing yeah. We went down to the University of Texas, and   went to a game. It was a lot of fun. Texas lost. They did not play very well at all. It was kinda   it it was, like, three   sets   to one or something like that. Oh, ow. Yeah. Yeah. No. The Texas they they yeah. They they they   yeah. It would they they weren't so good.  

[00:08:22] Jamon Fries:

It was fun, though. As well as the Chiefs.  

[00:08:25] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They really did. It it was there there are some entertaining things about it because it was like   so there was I I think   in the student section, there were these I think they were swimmers, right, or polo team or something like that. Okay. Men. And, basically, what they did is they had a whole bunch of clothes on. And then every time Texas scored, they would take off a piece of clothes.  

[00:08:50] Jamon Fries:

Interesting.  

[00:08:51] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. By by the end of it, you you know, by, like, 20 or something like that, they're, like, down to just a swimsuit.   You know, a speedo.   Carol Carol was looking over there quite a lot. I'm just saying.  

[00:09:07] Jamon Fries:

Uh-uh. Well, it's college age men. Oh, yeah.  

[00:09:11] Jesse Fries:

I was looking at the cheerleaders. Yeah. Of course. Yeah.   But, yeah, it was it it was quite entertaining. Then the one set that they actually won, they were they hoisted one guy up, and he was doing, like, the breaststroke and then the backstroke. It was quite entertaining, really. You know? It was yeah. It was That that is the great thing about college sports is Completely. Not not only are the students there to watch, but they're also there to entertain everybody. Yeah. The students actually is so much fun to watch. They it always is no matter what. So but, yeah, we had a good time. Texas lost, which, you know, that we were cheering for them because we live here. But Right. Yeah. It it was fun. It was fun. But, yeah, the Let's go. Lions game, yeah, that didn't go very well for the Lions. So I yeah. I've I've I've seen a lot of stuff on online about how the Lions got robbed because of the refs and stuff like that.  

[00:10:05] Jamon Fries:

I I have no clue. There there was one play I I   I I watched I didn't actually watch the Chiefs game, but I watched the Lions game. Uh-huh.   There was one play and this is the one that's they usually say how it proves that the Chiefs that the Lions were robbed.   Where   the Rams,   the quarterback threw the ball deep,   and the Rams guy caught the ball   as he was going down to the ground. Mhmm.   And he had pretty pretty solid connection with the ball, but then   he lost   possession of the ball a little bit, but the ball   actually landed on the,   on the arm of the of the Lions player. Okay. So it it didn't actually touch the ground. There there probably it but he's it's definitely moving around. He's bobbling it. You can't but it you can't see that it landed on the ground. Got it. So hit when his knee hits the ground, he's at about, like, the one yard line. Uh-huh.  

In the process of regaining control of the ball, he gets into the end zone, so they called it the touchdown.   Right.   But a lot of people are saying, no. He was down at the one yard line because he had   somewhat he had possession of the ball when his knee hit the ground.   So that means that he was down right there. That sounds like it's minutiae. Yeah.   It's minutiae and the the,   you know, the there were some that tried to explain it, but they really couldn't explain it that well. Mhmm.   But there's one   aspect,   especially in that kind of situation   of catching the ball,   that has to happen and that is that you have to it has to survive   contact with the ground. Right.  

So you, you know, if you catch the ball but you're going down to the ground, if you can't hold on to it once it once the ball once you hit the ground Oh, yeah. Then it's not a complete pass. Correct. Correct. Yep. And so he had lost possession   right before it hit right before the rest of his body hit the ground. Okay.   And then he slid into the end zone and regained possession, which is why they they confirmed it as the touchdowns. No. I could see that. I could see that. There were a lot of people saying that the Rams were that that the Rams were given it by the given the game by the refs, so because of that play. But that was just one. Did they win by a few touchdowns?   I think they won by 10.  



[00:12:36] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's a Yeah.   Yeah.  

[00:12:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I don't know. But, you know, it it's it's it's one of those situations   where   yeah. But if he wouldn't have scored that touchdown right there, you know, we could have stopped them from getting the dinks. It was a first would have been a first down anyways at the one yard line. Right. We could have stopped them from getting them and getting in, then they would have had to kick the field goal. And then then, you know, we we could have won the game.  

[00:13:02] Jesse Fries:

Ifs, ends, or buts, you know, it's a Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   Yep. Yep. Okey dokey.   Let's,  

[00:13:11] Jamon Fries:

start up, dude. Let's do Alrighty. We wasted thirteen minutes, which is good because we don't have much to talk about. Exactly. Exactly.   Alright. So we're going with the federal government first.   Uh-huh.   So Trump   has Trump's AI executive order,   He he did an executive order that basically said, alright. You states don't have don't get to pass laws   about AI. That's a government that's a federal government thing.   And I really, really, really disagree   with him and hate the provision that he named for allowing it for making it such.   What was it? Because of interstate commerce.  



[00:14:01] Jesse Fries:

Well, guess what?   It's just an executive order, so it doesn't mean shit. I know. Just say it.   Yeah. It it literally means shit. You know? Okay. I I know.  

[00:14:11] Jamon Fries:

But but yeah. I mean, it's   yeah.   Yeah. I I I have always hated it when they use interstate commerce   to try to make it so that states   don't can't do anything.  

[00:14:26] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:14:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You know, I mean, if so if, you know, you so, like, for example, you can't control   you you can't use the water in your state because  

[00:14:38] Jesse Fries:

of interstate commerce. Mhmm. Yep. Yep. Bullshit.   Yeah. Well, some of it, you you you you you have   treaties with other states and everything like that,  

[00:14:50] Jamon Fries:

for water use and everything like that, which yeah. Absolutely. And but but that's at a state level. No. I completely understand. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. Well, I I government comes in and says, okay. You know that pond that you wanna put up in your yard? No. Yeah. Yeah. Do that because that's gonna prevent the water from getting to the river, which means it's going to affect interstate commerce.  

[00:15:10] Jesse Fries:

So you can't build a pond for your cows there. No. I I I completely agree. I completely agree. Yeah. And shit. And to me, the AI, I would say I think the best thing to actually do is let the states do it,   see which one actually works, which idea actually works. So you have, like, a petri dish,   of this different states with a varying AI things, and then you actually   pick which one actually makes sense once everything is flushed out. See, to me, that would make most sense. Yeah. You you know, it's Absolutely. It's like with the   yeah. No. It's like with COVID. You know?  

After a while, everybody realized that the states that opened were the better off, you know, economically and everything. So everybody else started to open up. Without those few states like Florida and Texas just doing it early, they wouldn't have done it. No. It no. It would have gone on for forever.  

[00:16:02] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   We'd still be in lockdown.  

[00:16:05] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.  

[00:16:07] Jamon Fries:

So yeah. No. I think to me, that's what I think that'd be a good use of the states in this time because the AI, you don't know Yeah. What it is or anything like that. And Yeah. I know. I mean, we we don't know what limitations need to be put on it because, a, first of all, AI is still expanding. It's still growing. It's still in its just it it's still going good. Yeah. It's an infancy. It's not even that. It's kind of a preemie right now, you know? Right. Right. Right.   It's nowhere   near where it you know, it's not even near it's not even in its infancy yet. No. I could understand that. But I I would say It's just Just   yeah. I yeah. I mean, you know, it but it it's   it's so brand new   Uh-huh. That we have no idea where it's gonna go or how it can be used. Yep. Yep. And so it's impossible   to set   true regulations on it. Right?  



[00:17:01] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. Oh, yeah. Completely.   Yep.   I agree. I agree.   Let's see.   Yeah. No. I agree.   I got nothing else to say.   Let's see. So, apparently, in New Hampshire,   since that's the only federal thing that we have.   Yep. So in New Hampshire,   they had, like, a DOJ   inspired,   sort of thing, you know, a Doge.   Yeah. And in the whole thing,   the recommendation is return to office.   Stop working at home.   It says while remote work arrangements are necessary during the pandemic, they are not a sustainable long term model for our organization whose mission depends on teamwork, public access, and responsive service.   Yeah.  

Yeah. We're just all going back. You know, it's a nice   like, if you need a day,   like, you're sick or something like that, or something comes up and you just need to be at home, you know, like, for the cable guy or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.   Fine. I I think it's fine to do,   stay at home for that day or something like that. But in general, I think yes. This is me trying to get the wife out of the house.   I think they should all go back to work.  

[00:18:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, I I completely agree. I,   you know, they're they're, of course, trying to put out studies to make it so that everybody,   quote unquote knows that Right. That staying at home is not is is better for you. Uh-huh. Supposedly, it's   like, there there's a lot less stress because you don't have to commute and all that other crap. Right.  

[00:18:44] Jesse Fries:

But  

[00:18:45] Jamon Fries:

yeah. I mean,   I don't know. I always felt more stressful   when I was at home because   I knew that instead of doing what I was doing, if since I'm at home, I could be doing stuff that's a lot more fun. Right? Right? Exactly. It made my work day seem so much longer. It really does. It really does. But, yeah, I just just returned to the office people. You you you know, it's like Yep. Just recently, some some of her,  

[00:19:15] Jesse Fries:

Carol's, work people came down because they're starting this new initiative and whatnot.   And, you know, they got together so that they could actually brainstorm and everything like that. See? Look at oh, yeah. You have to be together   Yep. To be able to brainstorm because otherwise Zoom call ain't gonna do it. No. No. There it it doesn't it doesn't work as well. You can't have the quick easy back and forth. You can't see the expressions on the face. There's so many things that   it just doesn't allow for great collaboration. It really doesn't. Yeah. No. You know, it it Not at all. Can work in a pinch   Yeah. But that's in a pinch, and it won't ever be as good as the real thing. So Yep.  



[00:19:57] Jamon Fries:

Yep. Yep. So yeah. In in the classroom, I had I had a few classes when I was going for my   associates of accounting Uh-huh. That   we had kind of hybrid where   if you weren't close to a if you weren't close to a to one of the campuses,   you could,   do it from home. Right.   But if you live close to the campus, you had to go into the campus   to to the actual classroom. Right. And there were times where I would go into the classroom because I didn't live too far away. But I I was also eligible for the for the online aspect. Okay. So I noticed such a huge difference in how much I was getting out of the lecture.   Yep.  

Even even though I wasn't in the same classroom as the teacher was. The the teacher was in a classroom in a in a different town. Uh-huh.   And but I got so much more out of the out of that class experience when I was with the other students Oh, completely. Than when I was sitting at home alone. Yep. Yep. When when it's  

[00:20:58] Jesse Fries:

when there's other students, you will   chat. You will   it's a easier conversation.   Otherwise, you you're you're behind a computer screen and you don't talk. That's what happens. Yeah. Yeah. That's all that happens. So Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Make my wife go back to work.  

[00:21:18] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. When you're when you're when you're when you're in the well, when you're at home, you don't have the ability the the biggest reason that I found the difference though was that because when I was in the classroom, I could turn my head and say,   do you did you get that too? How does   that Right. Right. Whereas in the classroom,   the only way you can do that is by interrupting the entire class. You can't just talk to your neighbor about it. No. Completely. Completely.  

[00:21:44] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yeah.   I agree. I agree.  

[00:21:48] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And, California   seems to be having some financial   difficulties.  

[00:21:53] Jesse Fries:

Well, isn't that normal?  

[00:21:55] Jamon Fries:

Of course it is. But,   you know, I I've always I've always thought that states were supposed   that states had, like, that all states had to have rules that they would be that they would have a   a balanced budget.  

[00:22:11] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:22:15] Jamon Fries:

California,   it's projected   that in 2026,   is going to run an   $18,000,000,000   deficit.  

[00:22:27] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   Yeah.   With with all their social giving   Yeah.   And   people fleeing. Their billionaire's fleeing California. You know?   Yeah. No. It it's causing a problem. You you know, it's it's like they always say, oh,   billionaires don't pay taxes. They do. They do. You know?   And so if you lose those,   you're screwed.   You know? It's  

[00:22:56] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. And I mean, the the biggest and and, you know, the in in the article that I was reading, they were like, so right now,   the LOA, which is the Legislative Analysis   Office Uh-huh.   Says that California   is facing structural deference deficits for of 15 to $25,000,000,000   every year   through at least 2029.   Jesus.   And that's because   they were doing pretty good. They they were balanced their budget for a while. Uh-huh. But then they started putting in more social programs and more social programs and more social programs.   Yep. And then when they suddenly were running out of money,   they kept piling on more social programs, more social programs, more social programs.  

So the amount of money coming in hasn't actually changed that much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the amount of money going out that is just freaking skyrocketed.  

[00:24:00] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:24:03] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, at the same time,   Texas,   Texas,   Florida,   what are the other states? Those are the two that I can remember off the top of my head. Those are the two big ones. But yeah.   But there there's,   there they had a list. Texas, Florida, and North Carolina   Right. Are all projecting very strong surpluses or cash cushions. Yeah. We've had one for a low while now. Yep.   To   states with lower taxes and leader budgets like Utah, Tennessee, and Idaho   are continuing to exceed their revenue ex expectations.  

[00:24:39] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. So I mean, this is just a California thing. No. It is. It is. But it's all their socials things. You know? Basically, they were giving away free health care to illegal immigrants.   Yeah. They were   spending billions of dollars on   useless homeless,   help.   As in Yep. It's not it's not useless to help the homeless. It's just the how they were doing it was useless. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? So it's just   yeah, no. They they they yeah. California   has been there's a reason why billionaires are living,   there in   New York and whatnot, and why they're moving to Texas and Florida. Oh, yeah. There's a reason for it.  



[00:25:21] Jamon Fries:

Well, Florida, I I can foresee Florida getting a pretty good bump in their in their,   in in their   census   with, the new thing that they're doing, talking about with, getting rid of the  

[00:25:35] Jesse Fries:

property taxes. Mhmm. Yep. Yep. I I could see Florida really benefiting from that thought. No. Completely. And then I I just, I did put in this, but I saw this article where they were talking about basically how the billionaires are leaving. And they were saying, oh, no. You better watch out with these new taxes in New York because Wall Street will leave if you do that. And this article is going Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. The article was like,   you don't understand. Wall Street has already left.   They say 9090%   of what Wall Street is is now in Florida and Texas, mostly Texas. Oh, yeah. 90%.  

I don't doubt it. So, you know, with that, it's it's like BlackRock, everything like that. They're not in New York. These people are not in New York. So,   yeah, New York could become a ghost of itself real quick.  

[00:26:25] Jamon Fries:

So Yeah. It very well could, and   it's gonna hurt a lot of people.  

[00:26:32] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:26:33] Jamon Fries:

I mean, with with housing prices the way they are right now, anybody that owns a house in New York   is just fucked.  

[00:26:41] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Housing prices are going down everywhere.  

[00:26:45] Jamon Fries:

So Well, no. But I mean, as as Wall Street leaves, as everybody leaves, these people are gonna are gonna need to follow   the jobs.  

[00:26:55] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:26:57] Jamon Fries:

Well, those people own houses in New York.  

[00:27:00] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Of course. There ain't no way in hell they're gonna be able to sell them for close to what they bought them for. Well, no. That's what I know. I understand. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. It's, yeah.  

[00:27:11] Jamon Fries:

It's it's gonna be pretty bad.  

[00:27:14] Jesse Fries:

It will be. It will be.   Oh, let's see here. What else do we got? You got some immigration stuff? Immigration.  

[00:27:23] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So,   do you remember the   the truck driver up in Washington   that,   that killed that   was illegal and killed somebody?  

[00:27:38] Jesse Fries:

It was I don't It was it was one of those many stories that came out. That's what I'm saying. It's like there was one Florida news wouldn't yeah. I don't know exactly that one. Yeah. So the courts  

[00:27:49] Jamon Fries:

have decided to let him out on a 100,000   bond before trial.   What?  

[00:27:58] Jesse Fries:

Did he have to surrender his passport at least for Christ's sakes? I don't know. They didn't mention that. But  

[00:28:06] Jamon Fries:

there were a lot of comments, you know, this guy's just gonna disappear. He's illegal.  

[00:28:11] Jesse Fries:

Serious. He's not gonna show up for those for that trial. Why would he stick around? I'd go back to India. Yeah. Well, that's it. I'm sorry. That's what I would do. You know? It's like Absolutely.  

[00:28:22] Jamon Fries:

If I was up on vehicular manslaughter or actual murder charges,   If if they were illegal, ain't no fucking way in hell I'm sticking around. Nope. I'd be hopping that board to Canada than doing home.  

[00:28:34] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's what I'd be doing.   Yeah. No. That's just  

[00:28:39] Jamon Fries:

stupid. And it's just and it's a $100,000   bond. That's nothing. So 10,000  

[00:28:44] Jesse Fries:

is what you would need?   Yeah. So yep. That that's   yeah. No. That's ridiculous.   That is ridiculous.   But speaking of ICE, this one's kinda funny. So so it's a national news. We have it in national news. But   so   okay. So we you know Caroline,   leave it or love it. Right?   Yeah. Yeah. The the White House, press secretary.  

[00:29:08] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:29:10] Jesse Fries:

Well,   apparently,   ICE,   arrested   her nephew's mother.   So so,   her brother's,   baby mama is   ICE arrested.   They were once engaged, but not anymore.   And so and ICE picked her up. She's an illegal from, Brazil.   So, you you know, there's there's two ways you could look at this. You can look at this as in, man, even if you know somebody in power,   you're still toast. You still need to leave. So that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is,   leave it was, like, going so I got this woman that's causing my brother some problems.   Just saying. Nope.  



[00:30:02] Jamon Fries:

Either one is absolutely potentially   true.  

[00:30:06] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. So that that that's, yeah. I'm not sure which one I I like more. I I I think I like I I like the the  

[00:30:14] Jamon Fries:

this this lady hurt my brother.  

[00:30:17] Jesse Fries:

That one is more comical. It is more comical. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It is.  

[00:30:21] Jamon Fries:

It's probably not what actually is the reality,   but I But,  

[00:30:27] Jesse Fries:

right. Right. Yeah. You know, it's like these I would I would hope that it would be the other one that no matter who you are Right. You're gonna go if you're illegal. Well, it's like, I just probably didn't even know any relation is what I is probably what I'm thinking. But, you know, it's just one of those things that's, like, going, so   I have this problem.   Yep.  

[00:30:50] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Oh, hell.  

[00:30:54] Jesse Fries:

Let's see here.   The other big news, Rob Reiner was killed along with his wife last night   Yep.   By his son, apparently.  

[00:31:05] Jamon Fries:

That's who they've arrested for it anyway. Yep. Yep.   You know, I have no idea what the proof or anything on that is. Yeah. No. No.  

[00:31:13] Jesse Fries:

But his their family members, like, their daughter was saying, yeah. It was probably him.   Yeah. Apparently, they got into a fight,   like,   that night Yeah. At Conan O'Brien's party.   Okay. Yeah. And it just escalated from there. That's all Conan O'Brien's fault.   No. I wouldn't I wow, geez. Wow. No.   No. I know. I'm just it's true. Yeah. No. So,   yeah, it's, you know, I didn't agree with him,   politically or anything like that. But Oh, yeah. Yeah. The movies this guy did. You know?   Yeah. He did this is Spinal Tap. That was his first major one. Stand by Me. Come on. Classic. Absolute freaking classic. Great movies. Yeah. Princess Bride.   When Harry Met Sally.  



[00:32:08] Jamon Fries:

Another good one. Misery.  

[00:32:11] Jesse Fries:

Never saw that one. It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a good one. And a few good men.   You know? You can't handle the truth. You know? It's Yep. Yeah.  

[00:32:22] Jamon Fries:

So, you know, the This this guy is this guy is one of the big ones. It Yeah. The Yeah. And It sucks that we're not gonna have his productions anymore. No. Completely. Completely.  

[00:32:34] Jesse Fries:

And with that, I think,   Trump has lost me,   mostly, not on his policies or anything like that. But how he reacted to this was just fucking   he he he basically   was   untruth.   He   yeah. No. It was basically, like, how the liberals were doing Charlie Kirk.   Oh.  

[00:33:00] Jamon Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, I mean,   you always gotta remember   Trump is a liberal.  

[00:33:08] Jesse Fries:

No. I understand. But it's like the   I I I don't I don't mind to some of his policies, but he's lost me on so many things because of this. It's just Yeah. It it doesn't it doesn't surprise me that he would do something like that because he is of the main same mindset as as most of as well, the more conservative liberals are. Well, the thing is is, like, whether or not he actually did it or he just quote,   told somebody to type it or somebody typed it and said, you like it? He goes, yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. But either way, no. It it's,   no.  

Yeah. You know?  

[00:33:43] Jamon Fries:

It's  

[00:33:44] Jesse Fries:

yeah, that really disappoints me. Yeah. The the he said,   the guy passed away with his wife   reportedly due to the anger he caused others   through his massive unyielding,   incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome.  

[00:34:03] Jamon Fries:

It was his son.   Yeah. If his son killed him, then it's not because of anything he did to others. When I heard it was a stabbing,  

[00:34:13] Jesse Fries:

I automatically assumed it was a relative because that's Oh, yeah. When it comes to Some of them. It was either a relative or a very close friend. No. Yeah. Yeah. It it that that otherwise, you don't just stab people. It's that's very brutal.   You you really have to hate them, like, viscerally. Yeah. You know? It's,   Yep. And personally. So   Mhmm.   And it's basically just him talking about himself and seems to basically be gloating about it. And so I'm just   Yeah. Yeah. A lot Trump truly lost me on that one. I I was, Mhmm. I I I his policies are fine now, but everything else about him can go suck an egg. It's, Yeah. I I I can't stand that. People glorifying death like this. You know? I I didn't agree with Rob Reiner's politics on anything,   but   that doesn't mean anything. You know? No. It doesn't.  

Yeah.   So guy discusses about that. To  

[00:35:11] Jamon Fries:

to me, it's one of those things where, like, okay.   I know that Trump came out and said bad said shit about the people that were doing what they did to to hurt to hurt.  

[00:35:21] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:35:22] Jamon Fries:

For him to then turn around and do that same kind of shit, fuck that. No. Exactly. The hypocrisy   of it alone   Yep. Makes me makes me have a bad opinion of him. Yeah. Completely. I'm right there with you. I I just You know,   if if if you have an ideal, if you have a thought, and if you can stay firm on that Mhmm.   Then, you know, at least you're not hypocritical. You know, like, if if Trump had come out and said, well, you know, they have the right say whatever they wanna say. Right. Right. Something like that.   And then he comes and makes this kind of comment, I would be like, well, you know, I don't like what he said, but at least he's being consistent with it. Right. Right.  

And the victim blaming came out very harshly against those people. Yep.   And to now do the same exact shit, fuck no. Yeah. No. Exactly.  

[00:36:13] Jesse Fries:

I I and victim blaming shit like that? No. Yeah. No.   Fuck it all. Yeah. No. I I I really discussed it. He really does. It's, Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I I really don't care what happens to Trump now.   I I like his I I like some of his policies,   don't get me wrong, and everything like that, like the immigration and everything like that, which I I'll still support that and everything like that because if it's a good policy, I'll support it. But   everything else, I just don't care. I I really don't.   Really don't.   I hate hip shit like that. I tried to limit my own hypocrisy.  

Yep.  

[00:36:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:36:51] Jesse Fries:

It's tough to limit my hypocrisy, but I do try. No. It it everybody has hypocrisy, and it is very hard   very hard to,   curtail it. But   it's one of my missions that I try to curtail it. I I I'm not always successful.   But I'm the same exact way. Yeah.   And   when I do that sort of thing, it's like I tried to the hypocrisy is usually private, you know, which which to me is a better hypocrisy. Don't throw it out there. You know? It's like Yeah.   Just putting it out there to cause hurt or whatnot   is the worst part. You know? It's Oh, absolutely. Because otherwise, why would you say that shit? I'd there's no other reason. Yeah. No. There isn't.   So now all the Trump lovers are gonna leave us.  

The two  

[00:37:41] Jamon Fries:

So, well, talking about   things that you say and or write in this case. Uh-huh.   There's an Oklahoma student.   This happened a few months ago,   but the the article that I read on is is a very recent article.  

[00:37:58] Jesse Fries:

Okay. She's,  

[00:37:59] Jamon Fries:

goes to Oklahoma University.   Mhmm.   And in her,   psych class, I think it was,   they told them to write   a   to write an opinion essentially   about   something that somebody had written about gender   studies and stuff like that. Mhmm.   So she goes in and she writes her opinion about the article.   Right. Now her opinion is a very Christian opinion.   Mhmm. Very right wing opinion.   And there's a few mentions   about, you know, how bad transgenderism   is.  

[00:38:45] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:38:47] Jamon Fries:

She's a straight a student.   They gave her a zero on the paper.   Uh-huh.   It it turns out now   the the student did not know this, and the student has never said it. This this came from Turning Point from the Turning Point USA chapter.   Uh-huh. But one of the two   associate professors that was grading the papers that both agreed on this   was transgender.  

[00:39:15] Jesse Fries:

Oh, Jesus.  

[00:39:18] Jamon Fries:

So this is so in the last couple months, I guess, this has sparked like   a huge thing. It's gone national.   This girl is being brought into, like,   TP USA,   events and stuff like that now. Right. Right. Right.   And all because she just   didn't think she should have gotten a zero on the paper. Right. Right.   So she talked to a few people. She her her mom is in politics as well. So Right. So it's it's been,   it's being   used massively. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It it is turned into a   into an into a national culture war fight  

[00:40:02] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Actually.  

[00:40:04] Jamon Fries:

Uh-huh. Yeah.   Two the those two associate professors have been suspended.   Another one got suspended because he told his students that they would that they could have the day off for their class if they were going to   the protest   to support the two teachers. Uh-huh. But if they went to the teat if they went to the protest to support the student, they wouldn't get they wouldn't they would get docked off for not being in class.   That's not how that works. That's not No. So that guy got suspended.   Right. The principal of the university then comes out and says, look. Anybody   that wants to have the day off and go to these protests,   you can just go. Right. Right. The the president I don't care which one you're going to.  

Yeah. The president, not the president. You're okay.   Uh-huh.   It's   so, yeah, three three of their three of their associate professors   have been suspended   because of this.   Oh, god. It's just gotten it's just it it become a it's become a a rolling boulder that is it looks like it's never gonna stop.  

[00:41:14] Jesse Fries:

Well, we're kinda in that age right now where,   yeah, things are   crazy and  

[00:41:21] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:41:23] Jesse Fries:

Conservatives   are feeling more supported, so they're being more vocal,   than they Uh-huh. Have been in the past,   what Yep.   Ten, twenty years.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. Conservative voices have been squashed and quashed and   everything like that, and nobody would back them up, even their fellow conservatives and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because conservatives were going, why are you saying it out loud, dude? We all agree. But why are you saying it out loud? Now people are just saying it out loud. So Yeah.  

[00:41:53] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. No. I And it's good that they're saying it out loud. No. Completely. Completely. I agree. I agree.   Bottling it up and just watching everything get worse and worse and worse is not the right way to go.  

[00:42:04] Jesse Fries:

It really isn't. It really is not the way to go. You know? It it's That's why we've come to where we are. No.   Yeah. That is exactly why. And, you know, speaking of that, you   have people that are really putting themselves out there. It's like a JK Rowling. Right? Yeah. She it's like she   had this one tweet.   And what she said, it's just   it's perfect. So this is what it is, is   if you believe free speech is for you, but not your political opponents,   you're illiberal.   Like, I l l I b, so illiberal.   If no   contrary evidence could change your beliefs,   you're a fundamentalist.  

Yep.   If you believe the state should punish those who with contrary views,   you're a totalitarian.   Yep. If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.   Yeah. I I couldn't say it any better than that. That that's exactly what it is. You know? Free speech Oh, yes. Yeah. I will support you in all your free speech, whatever you say.   Yep. I will never wish you dead.   Yeah. It's just not one of those things. You know? It's,   say what you say. I'll say what I say, and we'll see whose ideas actually win out, you know. Yep.   That's the whole point of life.  



[00:43:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You you have to be able to say everything.  

[00:43:33] Jesse Fries:

Yes.  

[00:43:34] Jamon Fries:

Because if you can't say everything,   you know, I mean,   if if it you know, like, looking at the   at the liberal side.   Mhmm. If you believe that you have the right to say everything, but the but people that are politically opponents to you don't,   then   your ideals   are just going to keep getting   further and further and further and further and further.   Now,   some people may think that that's a good thing. Right.   Totalitarian. It's only good if   everyone   thinks the same way. No. Completely. Completely. As soon if you have a a group, especially, you know, like a fifty fifty kind of mix,   kinda like what we have here in The US. Mhmm.  

That will never be   successful. It it will it will destroy the country.  

[00:44:36] Jesse Fries:

I I could see that happening. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:44:39] Jamon Fries:

It's   Because, I mean, that fundamentalism   is just   wrong.  

[00:44:47] Jesse Fries:

It is. You you know, you you you you're showing proof   that you're wrong and you're not willing to change your opinion. You know? Yeah. It just doesn't make any sense.   No. It doesn't. Yeah. You know? It it's it's like, to me that that that's like the whole COVID thing. You know? I saw the data from the very beginning.   Oh, yeah. I saw how many people were actually dying from from it, and it was a very small percentage.  

[00:45:10] Jamon Fries:

Tiny percentage. I didn't I didn't even have to I didn't even have to see any of the data.   Right. Right. Well to what I listened to what they said   at the very beginning of the outbreak.   Right.   And that what they said was   we need to get to the point of herd immunity.  

[00:45:28] Jesse Fries:

No. The everything was right at the very beginning, and then it just,   disintegrated from there.  

[00:45:35] Jamon Fries:

And the absolute   opposite way of getting to herd immunity  

[00:45:39] Jesse Fries:

is by everyone shutting yourself into your house. Well, right. Right. Right. No. I I completely understand. But, yeah, I was just I I looked at the data, and I go, this isn't a danger to anybody but the very elderly. And it was only it wasn't even the young.   Right. So it was, like, there's no danger here except for the elderly. And, well, they're always in danger. I'm just saying. You know? Yeah. It it was well, really, really, who it was a danger to was art was anybody who was already in danger.   You know, if you were young, but you had an extreme medical case, it would be terrible for you. Well, if you were already dying from cancer. Yeah. It would speed it up. But that was about it, really. You know? It's, so  

[00:46:20] Jamon Fries:

the the things from obesity and stuff like that, there were That was very, very little. Barely anything. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it it did have a it did have a small impact on it. Like but the percentages of that also were, like,  

[00:46:34] Jesse Fries:

nonexistent   almost as well. So I don't even count that because if you look at the percentages,   the actual That is true. Data.   Yeah. That would there there's there was all that hype and everything like that and a whole bunch of, obese people were worried and everything like that. But in essence, it wasn't that much of a bigger deal to them. Yes. A couple more of them died otherwise, but that's just life as well.   You you you know, it they're gonna die a little bit earlier than people that aren't. You know? It's just what it is. You know? It's Yep. So yeah. No. It's   but yeah. Well, wow. We went on a tangent there. Okay. We did. We we seem to love doing that today. Apparently. Apparently. You you wanna do yours real quick, and then I'll do Yeah. Talk talking about,  

[00:47:20] Jamon Fries:

about, well,   being overweight.   Right. Right. With DoorDash,   they, there was a DoorDash driver that is being charged with a felony.  

[00:47:32] Jesse Fries:

Oh, why?  

[00:47:35] Jamon Fries:

Well,   according to   the doorbell footage,   she   puts the packages she puts the food down on the ground,   takes her   mace sprayer on her key chain, and sprays the food.  

[00:47:53] Jesse Fries:

What?   Why?   Any clue why?   Or she's just a loon?  

[00:48:00] Jamon Fries:

I I'm assuming   that maybe they didn't put a tip on it.   So?   I I there there is that that that hasn't been recorded, but that's the only reason I can think of.   But when when she was arrested for it, she told the police,   well, I saw a spider. So I wasn't spraying it on the food. I sprayed the spider.  

[00:48:22] Jesse Fries:

Sure.   Wow.   Yeah.  

[00:48:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So they they took the food in and the the the his wife started eating it and she just started throwing up all over the place. Well, right. Right. And it was it was it it got pretty bad. Yeah. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people?  

[00:48:45] Jesse Fries:

You you don't   speaking of what's wrong with people,   the Brown shooting. What what what's going on with that? You know? It's like   Brown University, there was a shooting,   two people killed,   ten, eleven, 11 wounded or something like that. Yeah. They they had a guy in custody, but that wasn't the guy.   Yep.   So now they're on the hunt again. So it's just   yeah. I I don't know what's going on. You got that, and   then the FBI apparently just broke up   a terrorist   plot,   for New Year's Eve.   Oh.   Yeah. It was in Los Angeles.   Okay. Let's see here.  

Yeah. It was a bombing,   that, was targeting Los Angeles.   It was gonna hit Turtle Island   or   no. The the the name of the group is Turtle Island Liberation Front, and they planned bombings   against multiple California   targets.   So   Oh, k. Apparently, they're a far left pro Palestinian   anti government and anti capitalist group.   So   I I   I'm just wondering if this one is one of those it it doesn't say that they had informants in there, but I'm wondering if they had informants and if they actually made this happen because that's how the FBI sometimes works. So I don't know. Hey. It is.  

[00:50:18] Jamon Fries:

I I don't know. You know, that that's one that's one of the problems with with the way things are right now is any anytime you hear the FBI broke up a ring  

[00:50:27] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:50:28] Jamon Fries:

You're wondering, okay. So how much of that ring was the FBI?  

[00:50:32] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.  

[00:50:33] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. That's I mean, it's a question that has to be asked.  

[00:50:37] Jesse Fries:

It it really does. Are they the ones supplying the materials? Are they doing it? Yeah. You know, it's like yeah. So   once it all comes out, we'll see. But  

[00:50:46] Jamon Fries:

Right.   Well, if it ever comes out.  

[00:50:51] Jesse Fries:

Well, the the the the,   Gretchen Whitmer,   kidnap plot, that all came out.   Yeah.  

[00:50:59] Jamon Fries:

And a lot of people got off. It's got free because of it. So Yeah. The January 6 one thing got out. Yep. Yep. How many FBI agents they had in the crowd. Uh-huh.  

[00:51:11] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   So it doesn't mean these people aren't screwed.   But   yeah. Yeah.  

[00:51:19] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. No. They're definitely screwed because even if the FBI tells you to do it,   you still tried to do it.  

[00:51:26] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.   Except that one in Michigan. That one was seriously it was it was like entrapment. The the juries were saying,   no.   You're you're not guilty. It's like it was crazy what they did with that one. Well, that I mean, I could I could see this one being entrapment too because   they were still in the planning phase. Mhmm. Oh, yeah. It was supposed to be a a New Year's thing. So Right. Right. It's not gonna happen until January 1 at least. Right. Right. Or they actually first. Well, maybe that they didn't do it catch it closer to that. That means it wasn't one of their things.   You know what I mean? Because usually, it's like, oh, in the next day or two. You know, that's usually how it is. Just saying. That that is true. That is true. They usually they usually catch it right before it happens. Uh-huh. Yeah. That's what it is.  



[00:52:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. If they catch it. So sometimes it happens, and then they go after it. Yep. Yep.  

[00:52:22] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. They caught it,   like, weeks in advance. So Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:52:26] Jamon Fries:

So may maybe that does mean that they weren't involved. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Because I I hope they were. The charges that   they could have   placed would have been much more strict, much harder   if they had stopped it in the act or something. Right. Right. Right. But that gets  

[00:52:43] Jesse Fries:

I I think they only allow that to go if they know the, material is actually fake. So Right. You know, I I I have a supplier. Yeah. I I was surprised there is a Yeah.   The name is They they only they only let it go to they  

[00:52:56] Jamon Fries:

they only let it go to completion.   Well,   no. I can't say that.   They try to only let it go to completion  

[00:53:05] Jesse Fries:

if they're in control of the supply. Yeah. Yeah. If your supplier his first name is Frank. His middle name is,   Bob. His last name is Isaacson.   Just watch out. That might be the f Yeah. Just say It might be it might be the   Okay. Let's see here. So, yeah, there's that.   And then we might as well just jump to   the international one, the Australian terror attack.  

[00:53:33] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   16 dead now Yeah. Is what I last one that I read.  

[00:53:38] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That that that's just   for a Hanukkah celebration.  

[00:53:43] Jamon Fries:

Yep.  

[00:53:44] Jesse Fries:

Father and son   that,   yeah. Yeah.   And it was all just, like, with bolt action because Australia is very stringent.   I didn't know they could even have guns, actually. I didn't even know that.   I thought it was like they could simply because of, like, the outback and stuff like that. Well, yeah. But I I no. I knew, like,   farmers and everything like that because they always have to have that. Yeah. But just regular people I didn't know were allowed to like, nonfarmers.   I didn't know that they were   allowed to have guns. I thought it was more buckled down because they, like, went crazy after the last mass shooting back in the nineties. Oh, yeah. And they're gonna go crazy again now. They've already said that they've they're vowing to crack down even harder on guns. Yeah. It looks like a of Semitism.   Yeah. Some of it is like, you have to be a citizen to buy a gun now or is something they're proposing   or whatnot because, Yeah.  

The father was not a citizen. He was basically a equivalent of, like, a permanent he was a permanent resident, I believe. Right.   His son was known by their intelligence agencies. So Yeah.   What? Like, five years ago, he was part of a group that they were watching.   You know? And then they said, oh, but he wasn't involved.   Well, apparently, he was.   Yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. It it was twenty minutes of shooting.   Yeah.   Did did you see what the cops were just doing? There are cops there. Did you know that?  

[00:55:14] Jamon Fries:

I I knew that there were cops present. I don't know. I didn't see any videos on what they were doing, though. They were hiding.  

[00:55:22] Jesse Fries:

Well, I mean, you know, they don't They were hiding. Twenty minutes, they were letting these people just shoot   Yeah. Yeah. And reload   and shoot and reload.  

[00:55:30] Jamon Fries:

And then you had to have It it took a local vegetable   or a fruit stand vendor.  

[00:55:37] Jesse Fries:

Something. Yeah. I know.  

[00:55:39] Jamon Fries:

All I know is a fruit stand vendor. He I know he was I I he was a vendor in the area. Yeah. He was he was a Syrian,  

[00:55:47] Jesse Fries:

immigrant,   by the name of Ahmed Al Ahmed.   Yeah.   And and Yeah. He saved him. I saw the video. Away from one of them. Yeah. And he got shot in the process.   Yep. He's in the hospital right now.  

[00:56:00] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Thankfully, he's gonna survive.   Yeah. But it's, like, but twenty minutes, these cops are doing nothing. Well, and I mean, you know, I'm sitting here look looking at these videos,   and   I can see taking cover when the when they're up on when he's up when the younger guy is up on the   cross rock on the Uh-huh. Bridge Right. Because he can duck down and peek out and shoot. Yeah. But you You know, shooting at him shooting at him right there is not going to be extremely effective unless you can get a good angle on him. Right.   But there's videos of them standing out in the grass with absolutely nothing around them, and they're not being shot at. Uh-huh.  

Yeah. What the hell?  

[00:56:42] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No.   For police not to do you   a policeman's job,   policewoman, policeman, because I know at least two of these were women.   Right. Your job is to go   and run towards the fire   and the gunfire  

[00:57:00] Jamon Fries:

and not hide. That's not your your job is not to hide. Plain and simple. No. You you take that position to protect the populace.  

[00:57:08] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. That is what you were there for. Yourself.   Yes. Your life populous. Your life   does you get paid   to put your life on the line. Plain and simple.  

[00:57:19] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:57:21] Jesse Fries:

And it's like Uvalde here in Texas when they just sat outside the school and let all those kids get killed.   Yep.   That's not your job. Your job is to go in. Plain and simple.  

[00:57:32] Jamon Fries:

Well, you know, and and I always hate the excuse. Well, we were waiting for SWAT.  

[00:57:37] Jesse Fries:

No. No. You go in yourself then. No.  

[00:57:40] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. You're armed. You go in.  

[00:57:42] Jesse Fries:

Are they armed? That's the thing. I don't know if I'm supposed to be. I'm sure they are. Yeah. Are you sure? I don't know. They'd have those gun laws. I would assume so. Well, let's let's Google that or whatever. Yeah. Search the web. They're not armed. That may that changes the entire story a little bit. But you still go.  

[00:57:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You that that fruit stand guy You still you still at least get between the shooters and the people.  

[00:58:05] Jesse Fries:

Ahmed was not   armed. Oh, yeah. No. You know?   Yep.   So yeah. No. I I I there's no excuse   in my book.   Yes. Australian police officers are generally armed.   Mhmm. Yep. So, yeah, you have no excuse. Yeah.  

[00:58:26] Jamon Fries:

And I didn't I didn't see I didn't see them dodging bullets until the very end.   Yeah. You know,   the the the it was it wasn't until, like, both of them were on that crosswalk that they started having to dodge the bullets. And you go around and try to catch them unawares. That's what you do. Yeah. I'm sorry. This is just basic what you do. But how how hard is it to get an angle   going down that crosswalk?  

[00:58:54] Jesse Fries:

Right? You   you you see hard. You take a shot at them.  

[00:58:58] Jamon Fries:

They'll duck down, then you can move. Come on. We've all seen this. We've all know how this works, you know? Come on. Yes. No. I Police police are trained to use cover fire. You you have one person shooting at them Are they? With the rest of them. I don't know. I would assume so. I mean, they're trained how to use their guns, I would assume so. I don't know. I I know making an assumption   is not always the best, but  

[00:59:21] Jesse Fries:

that's one situation I can pretty much guarantee that they've been trained on. Yeah. No. Just sitting around doing no. That's not your job. You know, I don't care.   I I've seen some disparaging things about female cops because of this and everything like that. I don't care what gender you are. That's your job you go in, plain and simple. I don't care. Yeah. That's it. Okay. That's that's that's that's like when Trump was shot at. Uh-huh. The the one time where he actually shot. Right. The the female secret service agents  

[00:59:51] Jamon Fries:

hid behind the stage.  

[00:59:54] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to do it. Instead of jumping on top of him. I mean Yeah. No. No. You know? I I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But, yeah, I just  

[01:00:01] Jamon Fries:

I I but I mean You do your job. That's it. No matter what. It it it yeah. What I'm not saying that it's because they're female. I'm saying it's because they were not trained properly.  

[01:00:11] Jesse Fries:

It's Secret Service that you'd have better be. That's, that's,  

[01:00:15] Jamon Fries:

they put they they they had some new people on his detail. I know that. Well, yeah. But  

[01:00:21] Jesse Fries:

he was yeah. I don't know. Anyways but yeah. So do your job, people. You go you run towards the fire. You run towards the gunfire, and you take out you get in the way. You know? This is what you do. You know? You make them   aim at you instead of aiming at innocent  

[01:00:37] Jamon Fries:

children. Absolutely. Yes. There's there is no reason that that should've that that death toll should've gotten that high. No. And it shouldn't have gone on for twenty minutes.  

[01:00:47] Jesse Fries:

No. There's no way.  

[01:00:50] Jamon Fries:

No.   Yep. Because I can I can pretty much guarantee that the first responders were there within the within at least the first five minutes at the the logs?  

[01:00:59] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I I have no clue. But you run you run towards. That's it. You you know, if you need SWAT, well, we need to get rid of SWAT if that if you're so reliant on that.   Plain and simple.   If if our police are so reliant on SWAT and this and that,   you just take actions. I'd rather you take a mistaken action   Yeah. Than   sit back and do nothing.   Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

[01:01:25] Jamon Fries:

And, you know, I mean, quite honestly, how hard would it be to just have them all trained for SWAT?   True. True. Yeah. I mean, if every police officer was trained to the level that SWAT is  

[01:01:40] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Maybe not as then you wouldn't have to wait for anyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I agree. I agree.  

[01:01:46] Jamon Fries:

I mean, sure. It means more time in training. Well, see, to me, it's like for SWAT,  

[01:01:51] Jesse Fries:

you you call SWAT   if   you can't do anything about it. You know what I mean? Like,   remember back   SWAT? Few years ago when,   the there's those, like, bank robbers and whatnot that were fully armored. You know what I mean? Armored with fully automatic weapons. Yeah. The the the cops couldn't even get close to him. Exactly. And the cops tried, and then SWAT was even having problems. You you know, that's when you call in SWAT when you're having problems. Otherwise, you go take them out. That's what you do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh, he has a gun. We have to call SWAT.   Yeah. No. He has a gun. You have a gun. Look at that. What's that gun for if it's not to shoot back? Just saying.  



[01:02:32] Jamon Fries:

Plus, as a police officer, you should be wearing your body armor.  

[01:02:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. You would think you would think Yeah.   But yeah. So   that's Australia where it's been a crazy weekend, guys. That's, It really has. Yeah. A crazy, crazy weekend. You got anything that's nuts. A little bit of craziness.  

[01:02:52] Jamon Fries:

Uh-huh.   The Louvre is in the news again. Okay.   Now, the all the workers have gone on strike.  

[01:03:02] Jesse Fries:

Oh, wow. For what?  

[01:03:04] Jamon Fries:

Just for the working conditions.   Probably because they had to deal with the flood.   From the pipe bursting Yeah. I I don't know.  

[01:03:12] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. The working condition they they went on strike because of the working conditions. Oh, life must be hard in the Louvre. And working in a palace, it might be Yeah. It must be so bad. So bad. It must be. Yeah.  

[01:03:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So the pipe bursts, they have to shut down. The jewels get stolen, they have to shut down. Now the workers are revolting, they have to shut down.   The workers are revolting.   I mean, essentially, that's what a strike is. No. I understand. I understand. I I like I I like the turn of phrase. I like the turn of phrase. Yeah.  

[01:03:48] Jesse Fries:

Nice. Nice.   Speaking of French revolting, we're revolting Frenchmen, the farmers in France are revolting too. Well, they're protesting,   because apparently, there's been, some sort of cow disease.   Right? Okay. But it's not like it's not like mad cow. It's just like a skin condition.   Okay.   And they're culling herds,   like, just killing massive amounts of herd of the herd. Does this skin skin condition   affect the meat or the milk? I I I have no clue. I have no clue. And all this was done over one cow being sick. Humans that I could see it. Right. Right. And this was over one cow being sick.   Oh, fuck.  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so so now they do the lovely thing where they pull the tractors under the roads.   They block everything.   So yeah. And farmers over there are unionized, by the way. Did you know that?  

[01:04:45] Jamon Fries:

I did not know that. Yeah. They're unionized.  

[01:04:47] Jesse Fries:

Wow.  

[01:04:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. They're they're doing that in Greece too.  

[01:04:52] Jesse Fries:

Are they?   Oh, yeah.  

[01:04:55] Jamon Fries:

Nice. They have the the farmers are going nuts in in Greece. Oh. Why?   Because the   so the EU   had been   giving them grants and subsidizing them for a long time now. Uh-huh.   They just cut those payments. Oh, Jesus.   Yeah. That that would that would do it. That would do it. And there was a there was a illness amongst the goats and the sheep.   Uh-huh. So they've been calling a whole bunch of show sheep and goats. Oh, Jesus.   Yeah.   At the same time, so no farmer is being successful right now. Wow.   I   do do you I I saw pictures   of an interstate   exchange where two interstates meet together.  

Uh-huh.   And all of the lanes of traffic on all four of the interstates,   all of the on and off ramps are just full of tractors.  

[01:05:51] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Right. No. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:05:55] Jamon Fries:

They they've they've even blocked off   the entry points into the country.  

[01:06:02] Jesse Fries:

Wow. Wow.   It's like when it comes to that, I was like, okay. I know you need money and everything like that. But, you know, that's a money issue. I I I I I generally don't have   it's like if you're being regulated to death, like, the regulations are horrible, like, to where they Yeah. You you you can't even use fertilizers or things like that, you know, where they're killing your animals for one animal that has a skin disease. Yeah. I could understand protesting that, but but if but if the problem is is that they stopped is that they didn't pay you the subsidy for this year? Yeah.   Or ended the subsidy. Yeah.  



[01:06:39] Jamon Fries:

But well, no. They didn't end it technically. I guess they were just having financial problems, so they couldn't mail the checks out.  

[01:06:45] Jesse Fries:

Okay. No. That's stupid.   Okay. I have no sympathy for the, Okay. I have sympathy for the farmers now because that's just stupid.  

[01:06:53] Jamon Fries:

That that that's completely stupid. What it is what it was, but I I do know that they have said, well, we're gonna we're gonna find the money for you somehow.   So they're they're gonna get paid now that they've gone on strike. Oh, the pregurs steal from Russia, I bet. Right? Probably.   How much you wanna bet that The U that the UN was like, well, you know, you take the money from Russia, you can give it to your farmers.  

[01:07:20] Jesse Fries:

Possibly. Possibly.  

[01:07:21] Jamon Fries:

Possibly. And   then which country was it? Belgium   Mhmm. That said, no. You're not taking you're not we're not taking their money from their bank accounts.  

[01:07:32] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. They had no money to give their farmers. Yeah. Yeah. See, I could see that. I could see that. I yeah. Absolutely.   Shady. Shady all around. Very shady. Very shady. Speaking of Russia and Ukraine,   Ukraine,   Trump has managed,   to actually get Ukraine to agree to no NATO membership.   Yeah. I saw that. That is, like, completely crazy because that was one of their sticking points, both sides' sticking points. Ukraine wanted it. They weren't willing to give that up.   And Russia   was, like, no.   You you you Russia is even to the point where we need something signed by NATO saying that they're gonna not expand at all ever again in the future. Yeah. That's what Russia is saying.   And so   but, yeah, apparently, we gave them   basically, like, article five,   protections.  

If Russia would attack again, we would just go in and help defend.   So   But it's not unlimited time frame. There'd be, like, a Right. Only before however many years and whatnot. And then if you piss off Russia again, well, you're SOL.  

[01:08:45] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Exactly.   So Which, I mean, yeah, it sounds like a pretty good  

[01:08:50] Jesse Fries:

thing for me. No. Me too. Me too. If we can end that war, that'd be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's Very good. Yeah.   I agree. And   the not the mem NATO membership. I I like that. I like that. I don't want them in NATO anyways. So No. No.   Let's see here.   Well, here at the Mindless Me Andrews, we are a value for value podcast. What this means is that you guys can be the producers of the show. You can actually help support the show. Give us however much you think that this is,   this episode has worked to you. A dollar, $5, a thousand dollars. You know? If you have crazy money burning your wallet,   that'd be nice.  

But,   help us out in any which way you can to help defray the cost of this and for all the time that we actually do put into this, because we do spend time producing the show.   And our time probably is worth some money, I would say. So if you could help us out in any which way you can, that'd be great. If you have ideas or anything like that, you can send them to me at jesse@mindlessc.com,   or you can also send them to jamen along with all complaints going to jamon@jamonatmindlessmeanderings.com.   So anything you could do to help us out would be great, and you can support us through the support link on our website, mindlessmeanderings.com,   or just in the support link in the podcast notes.  

So anything you can,   do to help would be great, and we would truly appreciate it.  

[01:10:20] Jamon Fries:

So Google   has come up with something something pretty cool.   Yeah. At first first time I read this, I was like, okay. So they've got a translator that you can put headphones on and listen to it. So Right. Okay. But what to translate?   You know?   Well, reading further into the story,   I found out that what it is.   And right now, I think it's   I don't I I think it's on the iPhone as well, potentially.  

[01:10:49] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. AirPod Pro three. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.  

[01:10:53] Jamon Fries:

But, so all you do is you point your phone towards the person talking so that the mic can pick them up. Right.   And it'll translate it right into your ear.  

[01:11:04] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's cool. That's cool.  

[01:11:08] Jamon Fries:

So yeah. I mean, that's,   yeah. Most translation stuff isn't that, Well, most AI translation stuff isn't that instantaneous.  

[01:11:20] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. No. The the more the the   pretty soon, we'll be to the level of,   the Star Trek   Yeah. Universal translator that they all use, which is why it all seems like English to us. That that that's the whole thing. Right. Yeah. Alien species can talk to each other and everything like that. So Yep.   No. It's pretty cool. Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. No. It it would make travel so much easier and everything like that. So Oh, yeah.  

[01:11:46] Jamon Fries:

I can only imagine.  

[01:11:48] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Right? Because I don't travel.   Yeah. You don't travel. You don't travel at all. But, it's,   it would make some things much easier. You know? Also, you know, maybe, like, smart glasses that would just translate everything as you're walking through. That'd be nice too. You know? That would be awesome. Yeah.  

[01:12:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You know, it's like, you go up to,   Quebec.   Mhmm. And as you're going through some of the cities where everything has to be in French. Right. Right. You can   if you had   glasses on and it could translate it in the glasses for you so you saw it in English, I mean, that would be insane.  

[01:12:24] Jesse Fries:

It would be. It would be. It'd be awesome. It would be awesome. Yeah.   I I can I can decipher   most European languages, like, for directions and whatnot? Right.   But, like, with Chinese characters or something like that, you're like, oh.   Yeah. I I don't have any basis. Or or or, like, the Cyrillic,   languages   with Russian and whatnot. It's like Yep. I got no clue, dude. I I think that letter sounds like this, but wait a minute. It doesn't. Yeah. It's not even close. Yeah.  

[01:12:55] Jamon Fries:

So   That looks like an r to me, but,  

[01:12:59] Jesse Fries:

I don't know. Pronounced that with.   Yep.   Yeah. I know. All those translation things are pretty cool. They really are. Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

[01:13:10] Jamon Fries:

Cool. Cool. I've been waiting I've been waiting for that that's the one aspect about AI that I really want to thrive is the translation   aspect.  

[01:13:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Websites are getting better. The translation of websites and everything like that, that's good. That's pretty good nowadays. So yeah. Well, you know, it's it's like translating English to Chinese or something like that or Chinese to English. Mhmm.  

[01:13:34] Jamon Fries:

The biggest problems is that,   you know, e even when you're learning Chinese,   you don't know the stories behind   what Chinese sayings are. Right. Right. And that that changes the meaning of of of what you're saying. Oh, completely. Completely. Yeah.   And so with AI, it can it can delve into the history at any any written history   that's been put into a computer somewhere, and it can tear all those stories out.   So Right. Right. I think that eventually, it would be much more accurate than even a human translate.  

[01:14:10] Jesse Fries:

It could be. It could be. Because   even in English, we have,   just little sayings that Yeah. You don't know the history behind them. You're like, I have no clue what you just said. You know? I think every language does. So it's a little shorthand. So   Yep.   Yep. Yep. Okay. Cool. And then I guess the last story is a study, and we must remind everybody   that   a study found   that most studies are wrong.   But because   it was a study that found most studies wrong,   are most studies wrong?   That's the question.  

[01:14:47] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Those good old brain twisters.   So the study I ran across about is, short videos such as YouTube shorts or TikTok stuff Mhmm. Stuff like that,   have a could have a very insidious   effect on children's brain. Okay.   Now most people would think that it has something to do with them watching the video, but that's not what it is.   Okay. What the problem is is that with short videos,   you get   and this is this happens to me quite a bit, where I say, okay. I'm gonna look at a couple short videos.   Three hours later,   I'm still watching short videos.  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great time waster. It really is. Oh, it is. But so the so what it what the study is is saying is that   while   it   does help   for some for some teenagers, they do help   identify   they do help develop identity,   spark interests, and maintain friendships and stuff like that. Mhmm.   But the overall   thing is that your attention is hijacked. So you tend to   not get as much sleep.   Right. You you don't you don't have that   just   that bit of time to   wrap your head around what you just saw Mhmm.   Because you're just moving from one to the next, the next, the next, the next. Right. Right.   And so, I mean, your memory is never going to grab on to any of the information that you that you see doing those. I can see that. Yeah.  

And so just the so just just because of that and because, you know, children are starting to watch these more and more and more and more Mhmm. They're losing a lot of the development for the brain development, the language development, and everything else like that that would naturally occur.  

[01:16:50] Jesse Fries:

No. I understand. Yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense.  

[01:16:53] Jamon Fries:

So yeah. I mean,   I get lost in shorts all the time. You know, I start   it's like I'll be watching YouTube videos, and then I see a short that's   about the same topic. Uh-huh.   And yeah. I I   after I watched that one, I then scroll down and then scroll down and scroll down and scroll down and scroll down until I've watched about a 150   of them.  

[01:17:19] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I yeah. That sounds about right. Yep. Some of them are. Yeah. They could really suck you in, and it's like going, well, there's nothing here. But okay. Let's see. Yeah. It's a Yeah. Well, this one was boring. Maybe the next one won't be. You know? Right. Right. Right. It's it's the whole it's what what the what it says is the reason that it's that it gets so bad  

[01:17:38] Jamon Fries:

is because   people generally tend to have a short attention span. Mhmm.   Which means that, you know, if you click into a long video,   you're going to   stop listening to it fully, and you'll start ingesting what you've heard and stuff like that. Okay.   But with the shorts,   it's it's so short that your attention span that your attention span never gets hit.   I could see. You're always moving on to that next one. You're all it always has your interest.  

[01:18:15] Jesse Fries:

Right. And they and they're disjointed. They're not   Yeah. There's nothing in common.   Right. Well well, sometimes there is. Sometimes it's boobs. Yeah. But it's boobs. Sometimes And then it's   boobs again. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's not boobs. And then it's not boobs. There's boobs. There's not boobs. Yeah. Yeah. See.  

[01:18:32] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It's it's not if you're a male scrolling scrolling through. You gotta keep going to see more than boobs.  

[01:18:37] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. One of my favorite instances,   it was this guy. He goes this well, this woman was, like, questioning, like, why do guys have Instagram?   I I just doesn't make sense. They really don't do anything out here. Why do they have Insta? And then then a a stitch comes in, the guy goes, boobs. It's boobs.   Do you have any other questions? Because it's boobs.   We could see boobs. That's it.  

[01:19:01] Jamon Fries:

The answer to all questions,   mail. Boobs.  

[01:19:05] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.   And with that, I'd like to thank you for joining us for episode 86 of the minus meanderings. I'm Jesse Fries.  

[01:19:15] Jamon Fries:

And I'm Jamin Fries.  

[01:19:17] Jesse Fries:

And we will see you on Thursday.