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- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:20) Introduction

(00:02:02) Debate on the Tush Push

(00:05:02) Supreme Court Decisions and Politics

(00:11:38) Congress and the EV Law Debate

(00:17:57) Immigration and Citizenship Ideas

(00:25:00) International Politics and Conflicts

(00:32:06) COVID-19 Origins and Controversies

(00:39:00) Vaccine Effects and Health Concerns

(00:45:03) Gene Editing and CRISPR Technology

(00:51:04) US Politics and Biden's Health

(01:01:23) Mexican Navy Incident in NYC

(01:11:05) EU and Nuclear Energy Debate

(01:19:08) Climate Change and CO2 Debates

(01:31:44) Value for Value Podcast Model

(01:32:00) Slate EV Truck Discussion

(01:39:24) Chimps Using Medicinal Plants

(01:42:05) Space Bricks and Potatoes

(01:44:24) Gates vs. Musk: A War of Words

[00:00:21] Jesse Fries:

Good morning, everybody. It is Wednesday,   May 21, and we are live with episode 38 of the mindless meanderings.   I'm Jesse Fries,   and   I'm wondering   how I'm gonna survive the summer with the kids because the kids are almost out of school tomorrow.  

[00:00:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And I'm Jamin Fries, and   I'm wondering if they're going to ban the tush push or not.  

[00:00:49] Jesse Fries:

I suppose I guess that's being voted on today. Yeah. That's what they say. I would bet that they are, personally.   Yeah.   Yeah. That's that's my bet. I think they would.   It just seems   but, see, the thing is is   it's not actually used that often.   A few teams do it.  

[00:01:11] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. There there's two well, the well, a lot of teams do it, but there's only two that are effective at doing it. Yeah. So if there's only two that are effective at it, so  

[00:01:21] Jesse Fries:

I don't see a big deal about it. Just leave it it's like, some teams are effective with throwing and some aren't. So Yeah. It it's  

[00:01:31] Jamon Fries:

it it it to me, it it's like when you're playing those teams,   you know   if you let them get within   a third and two or a second and two situation,   they can burst down.  

[00:01:46] Jesse Fries:

A two? For the most part. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm good.  

[00:01:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It it's, very rare that that that that play ever gets less than a at least a yard and a half to two yards.  

[00:01:57] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Well, yeah. I don't know. I don't care either way, personally.  

[00:02:02] Jamon Fries:

Now I I have seen a few teams that have been successful   stopping it Yep. Which is one of the reasons   why why I don't really   think that it should be   made illegal.  

[00:02:14] Jesse Fries:

To me, they'll just figure out a way to stop it. So  

[00:02:18] Jamon Fries:

Well, yeah. And from, you know, the the few times that I've seen it stopped, it would always happen the same exact way.   Mhmm. And that was   more pressure came from the side pushing   this pushing the pile sideways instead of forwards.  

[00:02:34] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay.  

[00:02:35] Jamon Fries:

And so if a team you know, if you know you're gonna be playing a team that does that does this all the time,   you might as well practice on stopping it in that manner. Because if you can move have them move moving sideways instead of forwards,   they don't get the first down.  

[00:02:51] Jesse Fries:

True. True. Makes sense. That makes sense.  

[00:02:54] Jamon Fries:

I mean, it so so, you know, I've,   for a long time, I was like, no. It's gotta be stopped. But well, mostly because I'm not an Eagles fan or a Bills fan.  

[00:03:05] Jesse Fries:

So, you know, it's gotta be stopped. But, Well, I I'm fans of them when they're playing the Chiefs. Then then I want them to win. You know? But  

[00:03:15] Jamon Fries:

Yes. See, I I'm a Chiefs fan, so,   you know, not really a big fan of the Eagles.  

[00:03:21] Jesse Fries:

No. I understand. I understand. I it's it's like same with Dallas. If anybody's playing Dallas, I'm for the other team. It's just Oh, yeah. Yeah. But that goes back to the nineties. You know? It's like the Patriots Yes.   When they were winning. Not now they're just a loser team again, like, they always were before Brady. So Yeah. Although, if I like the Patriots Jesus Christ. He's gone dumb. Oh, god. Yeah. If the Patriots did start winning again, I might be against them again. But   Yeah. I don't know what happened. Yeah. I didn't see that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's it's kinda funny how the Cowboys,  

[00:03:53] Jamon Fries:

that will always be a team that I dislike no matter how good they do.   Well, right. Right. But but the but the Patriots, they fell off and started sucking. And I'm like, oh, that's they're an okay team again.  

[00:04:07] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Part well, for us, it it since we grew up in Minnesota, that's part of the whole thing, the whole Herschel Walker trade that   nobody knows about. Literally Yeah. Like, very few people know the hit. But pretty much every Minnesotan   knows about the Hell yeah. Horrible trade  

[00:04:25] Jamon Fries:

that If if there's a Minnesotan that wasn't born recently that doesn't know the Herschel Walker's name, they're not a true Minnesotan.  

[00:04:33] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. You you know, that that built the Cowboys team. Oh, yeah. All all those first round draft picks and everything like that that, Minnesota gave up, you know, it's all for Herschel Walker that   just sucked.  

[00:04:46] Jamon Fries:

You know? Until he went to the next team.  

[00:04:49] Jesse Fries:

But then he he disappeared really quickly after that too, though. Oh, he did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I think that was a fluke, really. It's just like So  

[00:04:58] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:05:02] Jesse Fries:

Let's see. What do we got that we need to cover, I guess?   There's a Supreme Court.   There's all that that's going on with that.   It seems to be going, like, kind of both ways.   You know? It's   it it looks like   I would say it's part of good case law in general. I know some people don't like it that they stopped him from sending out,   with the alien enemy   alien enemy act and everything like that. Yeah. I know people got upset about that, but then   they've also allowed him just to stop,   or basically kick out all the Venezuelans.   Yeah. So it it really seems protected status from them. Yeah. Yeah. So   and and for anybody be   so I think it's good case law, I would bet, personally.  

Yeah.   It it's can it actually be done under that way? You know? It's like, find a different way to do it.  

[00:06:01] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:06:03] Jesse Fries:

You know, that's what I'm thinking.  

[00:06:04] Jamon Fries:

That's one of the things, you know, when you're dealing with the Supreme Court,   a lot of people   put politics into it. Oh, completely. Completely. Yep. And   while there may be some decisions based on politics  

[00:06:20] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:06:21] Jamon Fries:

Most of the Supreme Court decisions are   based on   constitution   constitutional   and case law.  

[00:06:29] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   How they view the yeah. Yeah. No. I would say let's see here.   The liberal judges,   it's almost pure politics.   Very rarely is it not.  

[00:06:43] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That that's true. You you can kinda tell by by their writings what they what what they write about, why they made the decisions.  

[00:06:50] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:06:51] Jamon Fries:

It it's like,   once part of the part of the court's talking about the case law and and, you know, stuff like that. Mhmm. Whereas the other side is talking more about,   do they just don't like this guy? Yeah. Yeah. It's  

[00:07:10] Jesse Fries:

it's like the   many of the conservatives will side with a a Democrat   Oh, yeah. If it's good case law. Yeah. No. No. Some won't, like Thomas.   He really won't. You know? Yeah.   But   most will. You know? It's   so I like, Gorsuch will.   Mhmm. Barrett will.  

[00:07:36] Jamon Fries:

Roberts will. You know? They'll they'll go back and forth depending on what's good case law. So really what really frustrates me is that every time that they side with the Democrats because the case law is there Uh-huh. The Republicans are like, oh, I think we shouldn't have put him in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, no. He is the perfect person to have in there because his job is to follow is to deal with the court. Yeah. With politics.   Exactly. And it's like His deal is the law. He has to follow case law.  

[00:08:09] Jesse Fries:

The the thing is it   it's if you've seen any sort   of court sort of situation, it is all about   precedent. It is all about all these different things, and it's not   it's not decided   by,   oh, I think,   this person should get just get off because they should get off. It's decided   by   actual   case law. And if you could back it up,   even though it's wrong morally and ethically,   if   if if it's case law, it's case law. That's just what it is. And I think that,   Aliens Enemy Act, you know, they're just saying that you need to have some sort of process   Yeah. To get it done. Okay. Well, how about we get Congress   to do something about it?  



[00:08:57] Jamon Fries:

Well, getting Congress to do anything about anything is impossible.  

[00:09:02] Jesse Fries:

Oh, it is completely impossible.   But, yeah, the but both I I have another,   article about that that we could talk about. But before we do that,   with the Supreme Court,   there was this, there's a case where   it just can't be heard because they so many people had to recuse   themselves   from it.   So it was a publisher deal.   Mhmm. So Penguin,   you know, the Penguin publisher and everything like that. Yeah. So it was it dealt with, like, their parent company. It's like a German company or something like that. Okay.   And this person was trying to sue for,   plagiarism,   for   copyright law and everything like that. Right.  

And in the Supreme Court, you need six justices   to have a quorum.   If you can't get six justices,   they just can't do anything about it. And so then it falls to the appellate court, whatever the last appellate court decision was.   Yeah.   In this, five, five of them recused themselves.   It was, like, four of them, they did it because they received millions of dollars from this company in because it's a publishing book.   So so they published books and everything like that. So many of them have received millions of dollars from this company.   So they recused themselves. That was four of them. That was, like, Gorsuch,   Barrett,   and then   two of the liberal judges. I can't remember,   which two exactly.  

And then Alito just recused himself for some unknown reason. Now they didn't give any reasons for anything, but people know about,   those deals that those four justices   that the other had. Yeah. So Alito, he may have a deal in with the works or something like that. I don't know.   Yeah. But yeah. So, yeah, five of the justices.   So they were down to four,   which is not which does not a quorum make. So No. It does not. Yeah. Yeah. So So it just doesn't get hurt in the Supreme Court.   Yeah. Yeah. So it goes falls back to the apparel appellate court, and that's it.  

[00:11:12] Jamon Fries:

So what was the appellate court decision?  

[00:11:14] Jesse Fries:

Appellate court decision was that,   there was no copyright broken.  

[00:11:19] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[00:11:20] Jesse Fries:

Plain and simple. They said, look at it. It doesn't even look. I don't know. I didn't look at the case or anything like that. Right. But that's what the appellate court decided. Okay.  

[00:11:31] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That that's insane.  

[00:11:37] Jesse Fries:

Right?   Let's see here. Oh,   this takes us to the the one that I was talking about, Congress and everything like that. Mhmm. So so go back, talking about how the Supreme Court,   the Congress should actually do something about this sort of situation. They can make laws and everything like that. Well, right now, there's some hubbub in the senate   because, apparently, the senate Republicans want to overturn   the EV law in California.   Okay.   So basically, make it so it's not so harsh.  

[00:12:10] Jamon Fries:

Can the federal government do anything about state laws, though? Yes. They can in certain circumstances.  

[00:12:16] Jesse Fries:

If it over if   because there's federal law and then a state law federal law trumps state law. Exactly. So if the federal law is   more lenient than the state in this case, they say that,   the the well, the senate   wants to say that,   or the Republicans do, wanna say that,   they can override it.  

[00:12:39] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I'm still questionable about that. I mean, because,   you know, the this country is based on the states.  

[00:12:48] Jesse Fries:

No. But see see, when it comes to EVs,   that affects,   intra interstate commerce. Trade. Oh, god. Yeah. Because it is it's basically mandating because there's such a huge market. It's basically mandating any everything for the entire country.   And California knows this, and this is why they do all this crap. Oh, yeah. Because   so many people the California is the biggest country biggest state in the country. And so if they go with it,   basically, everybody has to abide by that. This is how it works. Yeah. So yeah. It it it's with that.   So, basically, the senate Republicans want this to work via what they call congressional review act.  



[00:13:36] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[00:13:37] Jesse Fries:

But the senate parliamentarian,   who is, like, the person that tells you if it's,   in the parliamentary procedure if you can actually do it.   Yeah.   The parliamentarian   said they cannot do it underneath the Congressional Review Act. And the Congressional Review Act why that matters is that the Congressional Review Act   only requires a simple majority.   Okay.   It it cannot be filibustered.   Okay. The needing the 60 and everything like that. Yeah. So because of that,   it's causing all this uproar, and the Republicans are wanting to get rid of that, for,   or override the parliamentarian   at least.  

I I'm getting to the point. Now this is a complete shift   from my previous positions in my life and everything like that. Okay.   Get rid of the fucking filibuster.   Just fucking get rid of it. I am sick and tired of this shit.   Yeah.   They   no matter   getting 60 votes is impossible.   It's like when you're trying to impeach a president or impeach anybody, it's nearly impossible.  

[00:14:52] Jamon Fries:

It yeah. In in the current,   political structure, it is is completely impossible. Yeah. You know, in in the days when the Republicans and the Democrats would find middle ground, it makes like that were possible. But Yep. That can no longer happen.  

[00:15:08] Jesse Fries:

Right. We haven't had a immigration   bill deal done since the nineteen eighties.   Yeah.   We haven't had so much shit done   Yep. Just because you can't get the votes. Yeah. And I think Congress likes this because then they can go, oh, I tried. Because then they don't have to do anything. Yeah. Then they don't actually have to vote how they wanna actually vote. They can they can vote one way and go, well, it won't pass the senate.   Yeah. Because   you just can't get that 60.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. Yeah. No. It needs to go away. Completely 100% go away.   We still have the checks and balances,   so the executive and the judicial can do their thing. Yep.  

But in   essence, just get rid of this extra step that the Congress has put on itself. That's what I'm saying. And it's and not only that, but it used to be, like, it would make sense because it was states against states in the senate.   Yes.   But now it's not. Now it's just Republicans versus Democrats.   Yeah. It's just like the house. It doesn't even matter. Yep. Yep.  

[00:16:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Ever since it, you know, it the Senate actually made sense when it was created, but it doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense anymore. No. It really doesn't.   I mean, because, you know, back in the day, it was the states each chose their representative to go and represent the state, and then that's what the senate was. Yep. So the people there were to were there to represent the state itself, not represent the people of the state.   Yep.   And as soon as they put that into a popular vote, all of a sudden,   it's just another   per another representative of the people of the state. It's  

[00:16:54] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Statewide. It but yeah. It's  

[00:16:58] Jamon Fries:

it makes no sense for the state.  

[00:17:01] Jesse Fries:

No. Whole state.  

[00:17:03] Jamon Fries:

No. Because there's two senators for your previous But the whole state votes on both.   Well, yeah.  

[00:17:08] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. So it's represented over the whole state. Two for you the whole state.   They don't have districts, I said. Does does everybody I I thought they did. Yes. No.   No.  

[00:17:19] Jamon Fries:

Oh, shit. Okay.  

[00:17:21] Jesse Fries:

I'm out of touch.   Yeah. No. No. No. It's a it's a state held,   situation.  

[00:17:28] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[00:17:29] Jesse Fries:

Because it goes back to the constitution to where it's,   when it was all formed,   the states would actually   the the, like, the state could decide how they do it, but basically, either is appointed by the legislature of the state or it was, done by   the governor or whatnot. So usually the legislature.   So  

[00:17:53] Jamon Fries:

yeah.  

[00:17:58] Jesse Fries:

But yeah. So,   yeah, it's   nothing's getting done. They can't get shit done in congress. So it's like and you wonder why the legislature or the judicial and the executive are doing what they're doing?   Mhmm.   Legislature has completely washed their hands of legislating.  

[00:18:15] Jamon Fries:

They really have, and all they do now is just collect their paycheck and do publicity stunts. They pass budgets.   Kind of. Not even that. No. They they pass continuing it. They they pass a bill that says we're gonna spend what we spent last year. And this big beautiful bill is a bunch of bullshit once again. Yeah. It's like  

[00:18:35] Jesse Fries:

another $20,000,000,000,000   in debt by the end of it   in ten years. It's like   no.   I'm sorry. It's just stupid. It is completely stupid.   Yeah. Pay your bills, people.  

[00:18:50] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   The   I firmly believe that they need to make the   the federal government   have a balanced budget.  

[00:18:59] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. That'll never happen, though.  

[00:19:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That will never happen. Have to use, so that should have to.  

[00:19:06] Jesse Fries:

It'd be nice. It would be nice. It would be.   But yeah. So Venezuelans   don't have   protected status anymore. I think a lot of people don't.   Yeah.   And then there's still the uproar about the South Africans,   the Afrikaans.  

[00:19:22] Jamon Fries:

Yep. Yep.  

[00:19:23] Jesse Fries:

That one is like   okay.   Rubio had a back and forth yesterday with   the the New Jersey senator.  

[00:19:33] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I know that.   Yeah.  

[00:19:37] Jesse Fries:

I think he held his own pretty well. But then the Democrat gave it pretty well too. Yeah. The New Jersey senator, he  

[00:19:45] Jamon Fries:

I thought he did pretty well too. So Oh, I I think that I think that it was done pretty well by both of them and   the   yeah. It's like   the the racial aspect of it came into play and Uh-huh. Yep. You're you're only letting them in because they're white and he's like, we're not looking at the color Rubio's like, we're not looking at the color of their skin. We're seeing what they're going through over there.  

[00:20:10] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. And   Rubio said, you're looking at it from her Yeah. White. You know? So it's Well, which which I mean, you know, that's  

[00:20:18] Jamon Fries:

Democrats   do tend to look at the color of the skin a lot more   than than Republicans do.  

[00:20:25] Jesse Fries:

Well yeah. Yeah. It's   identity based,  

[00:20:29] Jamon Fries:

politics. So Yeah.  

[00:20:32] Jesse Fries:

Speaking of Rubio, though, he also testified yesterday that,   apparently, Syria will probably just fall again. Just saying.  

[00:20:41] Jamon Fries:

It wouldn't be surprising. I mean, it it's   the people that took over Syria were   converted   ISIS or some other terrorist group?  

[00:20:53] Jesse Fries:

No. Not ISIS.   They were I think they were Yeah. One of the terrorist groups that they may have been a   I'm not sure exactly, but I know   ISIS   might come and take over. It is. It's what it is. I  

[00:21:08] Jamon Fries:

I mean yeah.   The the government is very weak right now. Sir the Syrian government is insanely weak right now. Imagine that. We created a I mean instable  

[00:21:20] Jesse Fries:

country. Yeah.   And so we have instability now. Imagine that. Crazy.  

[00:21:24] Jamon Fries:

We we do that everywhere we go.   Yes. Yes. Yes. We just create a lot of instability with Iraq. Now Iran basically controls Iraq.  

[00:21:34] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Did you hear or, see that statement by Trump in Saudi Arabia about nation building?   No. I didn't. Oh, he completely went off on nation building and how messed up it was. It was like it was like something about how   we go in there, and people who don't know the area are telling the people how to create a government.  

[00:21:56] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And all it has ever done is cause problems, which is the case. Iraq, that was a shit show. Afghanistan was a shit show by the end of it. If you think about it if you think about it, just look at the if you just look at the cultures   of the of the countries.  

[00:22:11] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh. Yep. Democracy  

[00:22:13] Jamon Fries:

is not going to work in Iraq.  

[00:22:18] Jesse Fries:

Well, it could, but it should be based off of what they wanna do. You know? Yeah. It it it shouldn't be American democracy.  

[00:22:24] Jamon Fries:

You know? That that's the that's the thing that just drives me nuts is is we try to Well, it's not even American. It's not even American. But what we set up is never American.   We we try to enforce a democracy   on everyone.   Yep. But democracy is not   the end all be all of government types. It's not the best situation for everyone.  

[00:22:47] Jesse Fries:

Well, I think what it is,   it it   it's basically thinking that   what I think all this nation building was is that, like, Bush and whatnot   who rule is really the nation builder and everything like that. Oh, yeah. He loved that crap. But, basically, I think what this was is that they wanted to be like,   the greatest generation.   You know? Yep.   We basically rebuilt Europe.   We rebuilt Japan.  

[00:23:14] Jamon Fries:

Yep.  

[00:23:15] Jesse Fries:

And then we think we could do it everywhere.   You know? It's like   it's like Europe, that's a easy thing to do. They're us. We're them. You know? There's a bit of difference between us. But in general, our governments are the same. Our   philosophers are the same.   All these things are the same. Our our whole civilization Before is Greece based. Do you know Roman? War two before World War two, Europe had already gone to a democratic  

[00:23:46] Jamon Fries:

style. No. Yeah. If if Europe were still in the monarchy style   after World War two,   I don't think the changes would have been as effective. I don't think we would have been able to have the influence that we had in in the Europe government's style.  

[00:24:03] Jesse Fries:

Possibly. We also threw so much money at them that wasn't even funny. Yeah.   Yeah. And still have been with NATO.   So,   but then look at Japan, though. That was a monarchy.   Jerry, that was not a democracy.   No. But then the Japanese are democracy.   Yeah. But then the Japanese   are a different people. They have a different culture.   Yes.  

[00:24:29] Jamon Fries:

They saw the writing on the wall, but they also saw the writing on the wall before that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They they So they were they were still essentially in the Shogun era.  

[00:24:40] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:24:41] Jamon Fries:

Right. And they they knew that, you know,   it it's   the people   the the people   never really   liked   that style of of government.   I mean, the the general populace.  

[00:24:58] Jesse Fries:

Because Well,   right. But it's it wasn't just the populace. It was everybody. It was even the even the emperor.   Every because the emperor went along with it. You know? Oh, yeah. So it was The emperor the emperor was like, okay. So  

[00:25:13] Jamon Fries:

what we're doing is not working.  

[00:25:16] Jesse Fries:

No. See. That that's what I'm talking about. They they different. They they they knew how to change. It was like Yeah. Because they were out of the Shogun area. The it was the Meiji period. And so Yeah.   And so with that, it it's they westernized themselves.   Yes.   Which is why they started to expand, why they became an empire and everything like that because they saw that   what the West could do, and they go, oh, let's do that.  

[00:25:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Because in in the Shogun area, they were very against any of   any outside influence. Yeah. That's like China was for a long time.  

[00:25:49] Jesse Fries:

Much like China up until Japan.   Yeah.   And then they reverted again. Invaded them. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then they reverted again for a bit, and now they're expansion.   Well, yeah, they're expansionary right now, I would say. They're trying to expand in their region.   So  

[00:26:06] Jamon Fries:

They which is the first step. They're definitely trying to expand their influence within the region.  

[00:26:12] Jesse Fries:

No. No. They're claiming territory that   is awfully questionable.   Well, the the islands and stuff like that, I mean, they've always claimed those islands. So Well, everybody has, but you just don't take them. You put military bases there. You see, that that is expansionary. That to me, that is the expansionary   situation. Whether or not they have actually fully gone through   yet, I don't think matters. But yeah.  

[00:26:35] Jamon Fries:

Well, I mean,   honestly, though, I   can't really say   that I have problems with put them putting those military bases out there.   Well, I I I The only what what that does is it increases the amount of c that they have under their control.  

[00:26:56] Jesse Fries:

Alright. But sometimes it's at, like, the expense   the expense of Japan   or Korea or whatnot. So, you know, it's Yeah. The or Russia. You know, they're disputed. You know? And, you know, so that it's   I don't have a problem one way or the other. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that. I'm just saying that they are expansionary. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Whether or not that's right or wrong, I don't care.   I never have. I I don't I don't put morals on these situations. I know some people do. I think most people do. Absolutely.   But it's just what they're doing. And then, basically, do we wanna curtail that or not as a country?  

Or that sort of thing.   But I understand the point of view. I I I think that  

[00:27:38] Jamon Fries:

China and Russia are very similar in that manner.   Russia   wants to   maintain well, they wanted to maintain   the amount of distance between the United Nations and themselves. So kind of a buffer zone. NATO. NATO. NATO. Yeah. Yeah. Between NATO and themselves.   A buffer zone. Right. And as NATO is encroached on that, Russia's   fought back to stop it.  

[00:28:07] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah, especially with Ukraine. You know, it it's I think the reason why they really pushed on Ukraine   is that   I know Ukrainians won't like this,   but   Ukrainians and Russians are tied, you know, historically. Oh, yeah. They're they're roughly the same. Don't get me wrong. They're not the same,   but they're roughly the same.   The Russian people actually come from Kyiv.   Mhmm. Yes. I said Kyiv people. Just saying.   And so that's where that's where it comes from.   The the Rus', the Russians,   come from Kiev. You know? So Yep. There's that tie there. And so I think it was just   that with Crimea and everything like that.  

Oh, yeah. NATO pushing so hard right there. You know? It's like,   they they said, okay. Poland. Yeah. Whatever. They're not Russians. You know?   Checklist of Acha, fine. Whatnot. You know?   They allowed certain things. It was just I think it when it came to basically   such a close cousin of theirs,   I think and   and just   strategically   placed   as they are with the Black Sea and everything like that. I think Yeah. I think Russia just said no. We just can't can't do it. It's just Yeah. A possibility.  

[00:29:27] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So And if if you look at China,   in in China, you know, their buffer zone   is being shrunk massively as well. No. It's not.   I would completely argue against that. They are completely surrounded now by US by The US. But they always happen.   Not to the not the extent that it currently is, though. Yeah.  

[00:29:53] Jesse Fries:

Always.   Basically. Ever since World War two? No.  

[00:29:57] Jamon Fries:

No. We we had left The Philippines.   Now we've moved back into The Philippines.  

[00:30:04] Jesse Fries:

Well,   kinda sort of. That that's just one small little area there. We we were always in Japan just right across the border from them, basically. Yeah. We we were always in Japan. We were always in Taiwan.  

[00:30:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   But I didn't we we   I I don't know. We've also   set up   stuff on the Easterns on the on the Western Side of China now too, though.  

[00:30:30] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. Because   they've set up. Yeah. It's kinda  

[00:30:34] Jamon Fries:

it's been I'm not I don't know which is which came first. I'm not that big of in the Right. Right. Right. Right. History and stuff like that. But   I can see it from the point   of feeling trapped and wanting to expand your protections.  

[00:30:56] Jesse Fries:

Kind of.   I I yeah. Yeah. I would say that they feel like they have the power to be able to do it now.   Yeah. And so because of that, they're fighting back. It's what Japan did in World War two as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It it was like they were going good and everything like that, and then we stopped selling them our scrap iron and everything like that. And they have no iron in Japan.   Yeah. And so they were screwed.   And so they go, well, we better go take it. And so they decided to go to war with The United States.   Yeah. You know, much to Hitler's chagrin. You know? It's Oh, yeah. Yeah.  



[00:31:33] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That was probably Hitler was probably cursing the day that that happened. Probably so.   Probably so.  

[00:31:41] Jesse Fries:

Yep.   Chase a cough.   Absolutely.   Let's see here. What else do we got?   Well,   DHS and I also think about China.   Uh-huh.  

[00:32:09] Jamon Fries:

They are urging The US to stop politicizing   COVID nineteen origins.  

[00:32:18] Jesse Fries:

Yep. But that's, like   Nah. Sorry, China.   Because   now we're like   what is it? What was it? Gnome or something like that? Somebody was going off about how   Fauci   she said something like, she understands why Fauci   went and got the,   asked for complete immunity  

[00:32:43] Jamon Fries:

because he's the one that funded all the Chinese research. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He he's the one that funded the lab that real that COVID got released from.  

[00:32:52] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. And Wuhan. So  

[00:32:54] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. What what China's one thing that China's saying though   is that,   instead of  

[00:33:07] Jesse Fries:

let me see here. Where is it? Here we go.  

[00:33:09] Jamon Fries:

That   that The US also needs to share, you know,   the talking about early case data and stuff like that. Mhmm.   Well, China is saying,   you know, you need to be a little bit more   transparent about Fort Detrick and your network of overseas biological   laboratories   before you can start complaining about us.  

[00:33:34] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. That's out there. You know, the   labs that we have in Ukraine and everything like that.   This is known.   Of course, some people won't claim it because some of this information comes from Putin,   and whatnot. But it's out there. You know, we have these, labs   all over the place. And,  

[00:33:54] Jamon Fries:

yeah, completely. I I don't They're they're doing stuff that would be illegal to be done here in The US. So Yes. Why the   why aren't you you gotta be more transparent if you're gonna complain about us doing something that you made illegal in The US, and you sent your people over to to us to do it. So, you know, you need to be a little bit more transparent about all this. Yeah. I understand. But  

[00:34:18] Jesse Fries:

to me, this is an internal debate. This is not Yeah.   I don't   I think it   Americans just know it was China and just don't care.   We're not, like, going, oh, bad China. We're gonna attack you because of this or anything like that. It's just   we we know it came from China   be because Yeah. We we know that the research was done in Wuhan, China. And it was released in China. That's what we're saying. We're saying that it was released in China accidentally, more than likely. Never know.   Just saying, I don't trust   anybody.  

No. And I mean anybody.   But Yeah. So it was   it came out there. And so that's what we're saying. And then we're also saying,   look who's funding that crap. And, yes, we do we do know about Fort Detrick.   We we know about the Ukrainian labs.   You know There's labs everywhere. There's labs all over Africa. There's labs everywhere. It doesn't matter. It's   so they just need to get off that, I think, personally.   We're we're we're we're politicizing   it inside. We're I don't think we've   said really much about this, like, to the UN or anything like that.  

[00:35:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. This this has been going on with the World Health Organization.  

[00:35:31] Jesse Fries:

We're not even part of the World Health Organization. But we're but we're still but we're still  

[00:35:36] Jamon Fries:

talking to them, and we're still   trying to force them to   to   find all this shit out.  

[00:35:43] Jesse Fries:

Well, we should find it out. If you don't find it out, how can you stop it? In the future. That's the thing. So what's And so what China is do is saying is,  

[00:35:53] Jamon Fries:

you know,   if you're gonna be looking into this stuff, then we need to look into everything that that's happening in all every secret lab everywhere.  

[00:36:02] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's not gonna happen.   No. It's not.  

[00:36:07] Jamon Fries:

Definitely not gonna happen. But yeah. No. I mean, unfortunately, China doesn't have the high ground on this one. You know? If if China had the high ground, then their their point might be might be   a little bit more important. But it   they're we're talking specifically about COVID. It was released in China, so they don't have a high ground to stand on.  

[00:36:28] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It came from there. No. Whether or not   and it was probably   I I don't know. I haven't actually seen every any,   like, specific evidence that   it was   US   that funded that specific research. I have never seen anything like that.  

[00:36:46] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I know that he funded I know I know that Fauci funded the lab. I don't know if the And he also funded gain of,  

[00:36:55] Jesse Fries:

gain of what is it? Gain of function research. Yeah. Gain of function. He yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there. And so Yep.   We know that. Whether or not it that project was funded by The US, I don't know. I don't care because Yeah. Doing kind of function, I understand the science, but it's   it it it is   it's scary.  

[00:37:18] Jamon Fries:

It it very scary.  

[00:37:19] Jesse Fries:

You know, it's, one of those things that I just don't think   we should do. But then again No. No. It leads to it could it could lead to great things, but then also not. You know? So it's  

[00:37:31] Jamon Fries:

The the risk to me, the risks are higher than the rewards.  

[00:37:36] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:37:37] Jamon Fries:

You know, the reward is we find better ways to fight   future viruses.  

[00:37:43] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:37:44] Jamon Fries:

The risk is before we have the way to fight the future viruses, those future viruses   get out.  

[00:37:54] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:37:55] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. So to me, the risk is just way too high.  

[00:37:59] Jesse Fries:

No. I could see that. I I I could really see that.   It it it's kinda like,   since we're speaking of COVID, there is the this one,   it was a Israeli study.   Okay. You Jew haters, you can come out of the word work and say, oh, Jews, Jews, Jews.   I don't care about that. Jews are people too. You can all suck it. Anyways, there was Israeli study,   and, basically, it says that the COVID vaccine   actually leads to   what is it? Like, a twenty five percent increase in autoimmune   autoimmune   disease in children.   Yeah. And that's after just one shot.   Yep.  

So and this is, like, all sorts of autoimmune. It's like Guillain Barre. It's, basically everything.  

[00:38:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well and that's you know, I've never understood why they wanted to give the shot to children because children were not, in the large majority,   affected by COVID at all.  

[00:39:01] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I know. It was stupid. It was completely stupid. It it is that whole idea of,   if you don't get protected, then you're hurting me.   And and, you know,   that whole thing, it was all messed up. You know? It was like, oh, once this comes out, you won't have to worry. Right? Yep. You won't get sick. And then they said, well, you'll get less sick. Well, you'll do this. Well, it it it just kept getting stupider and stupider.  

[00:39:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:39:30] Jesse Fries:

To the point where   and and everybody on the left goes, there was this one it was like RFK or something like that. I think it was RFK. He was doing this one interview.   And this guy goes, what do you mean? He goes, I have the video clip of you guys saying it. Do you want me to show it? He goes, no. No. No. No. No.   It's like   yeah.   I no.   I if you have a memory, people, and you just don't believe what   anybody tells you,   we were told that the vaccine would completely   you you'd be immune. Yeah. Like, every vaccine. This is how it works. Yeah. That's how a vaccine works. And then they change the definition of a vaccine even. They've even changed definitions   to make it work.  



[00:40:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. To be able to call it to continue calling it a vaccine, they had to change the definition of a vaccine.   Yep.   Yep. It is. And that's just insane.   Well, I mean, you know, now the,   now they're they're,   starting to   say that they're changing who's eligible to get the COVID vaccine nowadays.  

[00:40:34] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Now they wanna stop old people from getting it, don't they? No. They wanna stop young people from getting it. I also heard that they wanna stop old people.   They just wanna stop it, I think. Let's just stop giving it. Because isn't it still under the Emergency   Medical Act? Isn't it still considered the emergency?   Yeah. So it it's never been actually fully   vetted. It is still being used under the emergency   Yeah. Process,   which means that it isn't fully vetted,   which because you can't Yeah. Vet it in that amount of time. It's impossible. No. Yeah.  

[00:41:08] Jamon Fries:

And now there's new reports out,   from Papua New Guinea  

[00:41:13] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:41:14] Jamon Fries:

That,   that the instances   of   vaccine derived poliovirus   are increasing massively.  

[00:41:26] Jesse Fries:

So that comes from the polio vaccine itself?  

[00:41:30] Jamon Fries:

No.   It comes from COVID.  

[00:41:33] Jesse Fries:

From the COVID vaccine?  

[00:41:35] Jamon Fries:

From what I from what I was reading, it see it sounds that way.  

[00:41:42] Jesse Fries:

Polio  

[00:41:46] Jamon Fries:

of  

[00:41:47] Jesse Fries:

I've heard other reports of the COVID vaccine.  

[00:41:50] Jamon Fries:

And I've I've heard other stories talking about that before in the past.   It's not letting me open that link.  

[00:42:05] Jesse Fries:

I really don't,   yeah, I don't see anything about that.  

[00:42:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I'd I'd I don't know. I've it   the story doesn't really talk about which vaccine that it's coming from, so it could be the polio vaccine. I'd never thought about that.  

[00:42:23] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Because they put, like, a dead because I think the polio vaccine is like a typical vaccine   Yeah. Where it's like a dead virus   Right.   That they or bacteria or whatever. So   Mhmm.  

[00:42:36] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But, I mean, I   yeah. I don't know. I've I've heard I've heard stories before   about   the   about   COVID shots   forming   poll   causing polio.  

[00:42:50] Jesse Fries:

I haven't heard of anything like that. So   I've heard of it causing autoimmune, so basically AIDS.  

[00:42:57] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So   but that's pretty much a lot of shit that the COVID shot does.  

[00:43:05] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I I got one shot,   because we're gonna travel,   Yeah.   To The UK, and so we were gonna get the things and then   the travel fell through, but that fell through   after I got my first shot. And half my body went numb.   I can still use it, so it wasn't paralyzed or anything like that. Yeah. But it went numb. Literally numb. That   sucks. Maybe some sort of Guillain Barre or something like that. I don't know exactly what it is. No idea. That's definitely not a not a immune, though.   Yeah. I I should probably, like, get it checked because my hand is all starting to shake, but then my our family has that too. So Yeah. Yeah. My hand started shaking a little while ago. Jeris is always shaking. Dad's Yeah. Makes mom's shakes.   Yeah. Yeah. I should probably go check that out with a neurologist, see what's going on with my nerves. But, you know, we'll see. We'll see.  



[00:44:01] Jamon Fries:

But,   yeah. Now the,   another another thing that I've heard about from   COVID   is,   you know, the RNA cave the RNA aspect of it.   Right. And they've been doing a lot of studies and find they've found   the RNA   is not only in people that have taken the vaccine.  

[00:44:26] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Shedding. Yeah. Don't they call it? Yeah. Yeah. They call it shedding. Yeah. Yeah.   And Yeah.  

[00:44:33] Jamon Fries:

I I was looking through I was looking through one,   one website,   and I couldn't I couldn't believe it. Like, there were 10 different stories about using RNA   to fix other health issues.   Mhmm. And I'm like,   so what you're saying is that we need to change the genetic makeup of the human being in order to fix these issues.   Might that cause other problems somewhere else?  

[00:45:03] Jesse Fries:

Possibly.   Possibly. But along those lines, there's this baby   that had, like, a liver disease that would cause death, like, guaranteed death.   But they used CRISPR. Do you know what CRISPR is? No. I don't.  

[00:45:19] Jamon Fries:

CRISPR is  

[00:45:22] Jesse Fries:

we we found a bacteria or something like that that, could do this thing where they could take DNA and then quickly put it in their body and everything like that. Okay. And so they could remember anything that's attacking them.   Right? Okay. And so they could quickly defeat it. It's quite an interesting technology, but CRISPR is basically how we have been changing the DNA in all   the the modern, you know, leaps in DNA stuff that we've been doing. Like, it's   corn and everything. Right? Yeah. It doesn't matter.   It's been CRISPR because you can change   DNA   like that.  

Right? So they use this technology   to actually   change the genes   in this baby, especially in the liver,   and now the baby's cured.   Yeah.   I thought that was pretty sweet. You know?   You know?   So yeah. It but it's like a targeted thing. It's like for this baby, for his genes   Yeah. And everything like that.   So I I thought that was quite,   fascinating.   So   Yeah. It is. And there there's a if you like, YouTube, there I could probably send it to you. There's a really cool,   video. It it's animated and everything like that, but it really   on a very basic level, really explains, like, this CRISPR technology. It's quite   interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead and send that to me. Yeah. I will. I I'll put in the show notes too because it is quite a interesting,   topic.  

Yeah. It's what, all the gene editing,   the GMO stuff has been doing lately.   Okay. It makes it quick. Because back in, like, the seventies, it took forever because you would just go in and do one gene editing. Each gen each generation,  

[00:47:06] Jamon Fries:

you'd have you'd   have to, you know before that, it was cross pollination.   You only cross pollinate with the with ones that have the dominant trait that you want. But, yeah, they found this one  

[00:47:18] Jesse Fries:

microorganism   that could   do this. I can't even remember what it was. But yeah. And that's where we got the technology for CRISPR. We figured out how they did it, and so we just Nice. Did it ourselves.  

[00:47:29] Jamon Fries:

It's quite interesting. We're talking about talking about the talking about microbiology and stuff like that,   the in China.   Mhmm. You know, we talked we talked that they had set up their own space space station.  

[00:47:41] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:47:42] Jamon Fries:

Well, up in the space station, they found they have found a new,  

[00:47:52] Jesse Fries:

what's the word? Alien?  

[00:47:54] Jamon Fries:

No. Not alien.   Microbe. They found a new microbe.  

[00:47:58] Jesse Fries:

So yeah. Alien. Okay.  

[00:48:00] Jamon Fries:

This microbe   can actually   heal   it it can it can work against radiation.  

[00:48:10] Jesse Fries:

That's kinda cool.  

[00:48:13] Jamon Fries:

It it it's it's become abundant. It's it's become fairly popular,   very,   populous   in their space station.   Maybe they don't have as good of a nuclear shielding radiation shielding as Right. Right. Right. Right. The ISS has.  

[00:48:32] Jesse Fries:

So you give your astronauts that, then they can get back past the Van Ryan Belt   and actually survive   space radiation.   That's quite interesting. That's interesting.  

[00:48:46] Jamon Fries:

Now I don't know if it's a microbe that that   would be harmful or beneficial to the human body. Right.   But, you know, if it can   if it can help improve the radiation protection on the vessel or something like that even.  

[00:49:01] Jesse Fries:

Or we could just CRISPR these astronauts. You take this CRISPR technology. Yeah. Add that DNA to our DNA, you know, just for the astronauts. I I I I'm good here on Earth, you know. Yep. And then we could go out and be a space faring  

[00:49:15] Jamon Fries:

species, you know. It might turn us green or purple, but, you know, you know. You know. If we did do it in a in in everyone,   maybe we wouldn't have to be so concerned about nuclear war.  

[00:49:31] Jesse Fries:

Maybe so. Maybe so.  

[00:49:33] Jamon Fries:

You never know.  

[00:49:34] Jesse Fries:

Never know. Never know.   Alternate Oh, with that baby thing, though, you know, what Yeah. That's funny about that that that they were talking about is that, apparently, pharmaceutical companies don't wanna invest in this technology  

[00:49:45] Jamon Fries:

Of course. Because it's so tailored to one person, and all they care about is money. That's not why. That's not why. It's not because it's tailored to one person.   It's because it's a one time cure. The pharmaceutical industry will never will never put money into a one time cure. Well, yes. There is that make their money with with treat with treating it over many, many years. Right. There is that. But, also, it is it takes your DNA.  

[00:50:11] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And then it   you go from there.   Right? Because it so it's tailored. It it's on the individual level. Yep.   And so   what I'm saying is, okay. So pharmaceuticals don't wanna do this. They don't wanna waste their research money on this.   Well, their research money is my research money because our government pays for their research and does their research.   Yeah. So how about the US government just says screw you pharmaceutical companies. You can do your actual own research.   And then,   our government can actually pay for this sort of research.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. That seems saving baby save saving individual lives with gene editing  

[00:50:50] Jamon Fries:

makes more sense to me. Saving individual lives. But, I mean, not only that, but, I mean, you could essentially   since it's gene editing, I have no doubt that that might be the cure for cancer.   No. Yeah. Exactly. Cancer is just corrupted genes.   Yep.   So, you know, I mean, there are so many potential benefits to the to it   that   it just makes absolutely no sense to not put money into it. Right? You know, maybe we could save Joe Biden.  

[00:51:24] Jesse Fries:

Maybe?   It's prostate. Okay.   Do you believe that? I'm sorry.   The the the the timing of it was so perfect when he came up with that. You know? It was,  

[00:51:35] Jamon Fries:

the well, I mean, yeah, when they when they finally released it,   I I was watching some things, and   one thing that I saw was,   was one doctor sitting there saying, you know,   I hate to say it, but this explains a lot.   Yeah. Yeah.   Because there is a there is a treatment for his type of cancer. Uh-huh.   This treatment   increases the risk of falls by over thirty percent. Right. Right.   It also leads to mental decline.   Yep. Yep.   So   and if if you've I don't know if you remember or not, but it's it's come back up, and I I now remember hearing about it   back in 2022.  



[00:52:23] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:52:25] Jamon Fries:

Biden said that he had cancer.   Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But then he says a lot of things too. So Well, right. But I mean, you know, it he he was he was you know, the the thing that kind of   makes me think   that it might not be what the White House originally said it was.   Uh-huh. They said that he was talking about some melanoma   that he had had removed before Right. Right. Going into office.   But   the statement that he was talking about was oil and the problems with oil and stuff like that. And oil wouldn't have anything to do with melanoma.  

[00:53:02] Jesse Fries:

Well, it doesn't have anything to do with prostate either. So just saying. It's Yeah. Yeah. But I but I mean, you know  

[00:53:10] Jamon Fries:

so, I mean, just   yeah. I   yeah. I haven't seen a single doctor that says that it could've that it couldn't have been inside of him for at least   three to four years.  

[00:53:23] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. If they knew.   But then most of these things yeah. I I I've seen all the where most of it's caught early. You know, there would have been signs, so he should have known. Yeah. Blah blah blah. Yeah. I I I know all that. Well, and and It is. The funny the funniest thing is that there's now been a release that the last time he had the,  

[00:53:42] Jamon Fries:

the test done for prostate cancer   Uh-huh.   Was fourteen   years ago.   Are you telling me that the White House the White House doctor   never checked his prostate?   The most the most No. I I the most severely   person that needs to be under medical can medical   watch,   they never checked his prostate while he was president or vice president?  

[00:54:07] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, from what I saw, it was, 02/2014  

[00:54:10] Jamon Fries:

was when it was. So Okay. That's That's probably where he got 14. So two years later president. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no. More than that. Six years.  

[00:54:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. 02/2008 or five years. Left as vice president. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.  

[00:54:26] Jamon Fries:

Oh, you you're telling me that in that amount of time while he was for the his last two years as vice president,   for all four years as president,   his doctors never checked his prostate.  

[00:54:39] Jesse Fries:

Well, I'm sure they did, but, you know, it's like it's like this Jack Jake Tapper book that's coming out. Have you seen that? Yeah.   It's like Yeah.   He he he went on, like, what it was it? Megyn Kelly.   And and he goes, yep. Conservatives were right.   Yeah.   It's like Yeah.  

[00:54:57] Jamon Fries:

It's made much bigger news than it ever should have, especially in the conservative media.   Because conservative media, we knew it all along. I mean, they were telling us all along. It was only the literal media that wasn't telling us. Well,  

[00:55:10] Jesse Fries:

to me, I didn't need to be told, really. It was just kind of evident. You know? It was like  

[00:55:16] Jamon Fries:

I I think conservatives were going, something's wrong there. Yeah. Yeah. Something's wrong. Yeah. Conservatives were saying that from, like, 02/2001.  

[00:55:24] Jesse Fries:

Well, no. He was always crazy.   But it was different. It was different. His memory was failing. There there was sure signs of decline that,   the the conservatives were like, oh, there's something going on here. You know? And, of course, Democrats just When he ran in 2020 clustered.  

[00:55:41] Jamon Fries:

What? When he when he ran in 2020, he was barely co cohesion. The Yeah. He didn't have any of the problems.   Well, maybe. Believe that   he had some problems, but   it wasn't until about 2020   late twenty twenty one, early '20 '20 '2   Yeah. That you started seeing   just the a little bit of confusion, but it wasn't too bad. Oh, yeah.   Yep. And in 2023   and 2024,   it started getting real bad.  

[00:56:11] Jesse Fries:

Oh, it was horrendous.   Yeah. Yeah. It was completely horrendous.   Yep.   Let's see. What else do we got?   Oh, Christy, no. She, apparently, somebody came to her with an idea to have a reality TV show,   for immigrants. And, the winner   gets citizenship.   It's, quite a apparently, this was pitched by a immigrant.   So it's a yeah. I'm not sure if you could really call them an immigrant though because they're from Canada. So yeah.   But, you know, I guess we can. Because technically, it's a different country. But, you know Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:56:55] Jamon Fries:

Technically, they're an immigrant.  

[00:56:57] Jesse Fries:

But We coming back and forth across that, especially Oh, yeah. Canadians. Canadians come down here all the time. You know? So it's like,   I guess you're an immigrant.   But, you know, really not. You know? It's a you're a cousin. Just go on. It's all good. You know? That's how I do it. Even if they hate us now. We're we're just in a tiff. It's okay. We we'll get over it. You know? Cousins have arguments.   Exactly. We still all hate the English, anyways, so it's alright.   Except they still like the king. I don't know why that is, but, you know, whatever.   But, basically, it's kinda entertaining.  

Basically, this was, like, pitched to, like, a assistant or something like that of Kristi Noem.   Okay. And this, producer,   he pitched the idea.   And some people liked it, so it kept going up the way. The idea is,   basically,   it's called the American. Right?   Mhmm. And so you get a bunch of contestants on a train   that rides around the country   on   a train called the American.   Yep. And it goes through and then they compete,   in regionally specific cultural contests,   such as rolling raw glowing, log or log rolling and things like that, you know Okay. Depending on the area.   So log rolling is like a Wisconsin area thing, sort of thing that you would do there. Except you might do that out, like, more in the West, I'm saying. Like, Seattle. I would think more Northwest. Yeah. Yeah. Northwest now.  

But then again in Seattle. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking because there's not that much logging there. There is some, of course. But Although Minnesota does have a pretty good pretty good solid tradition of the lumberjack and stuff like that. Paul Bunyan is Yeah. Rampant up in the North and everything like that. Yep. So   I'm thinking of a on the road trip this summer. There's apparently a birthplace of Paul Bunyan,   like, in Maine or Connecticut or something like that.   I might stop there just to say I was at the birthplace of Paul Bunyan.   Nice. As You know, great up in Minnesota.  



[00:59:05] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   So anything Paul Bunyan, man, you gotta you gotta love it.  

[00:59:10] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But, basically, at the end of the whole,   show,   there'd be a grand finale where the winner takes,   it gets sworn in on the steps of the US Capitol,   as,   Yeah. Yeah. And, apparently, Christy Noem, she it's been   well, the Daily Mail,   The UK thing, says that Mhmm. Nome or that the department has said that Nome knows about it.   I'm not sure if you can really believe that or not, but   the the headline was that, Christy Noem wants immigrants to battle for citizenship.   So that was the headline.   You gotta love that headline. But, basically, it was just this thing that went up the chain. She barely knew about it, I bet.   Yep. So  

[00:59:55] Jamon Fries:

I mean, it it would be a very interesting concept, but,   you know, I've I've I've heard people liking it to the Hunger Games.  

[01:00:06] Jesse Fries:

That'd be sweet.   Let's get some good death going. You know? That'd be awesome.  

[01:00:12] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Yeah.   You wanna be a citizenship a citizen of The US, you gotta put your life on the line.  

[01:00:19] Jesse Fries:

Right? Yeah.   Let's see here. What else do we have? I mean, personally, for myself  

[01:00:25] Jamon Fries:

Uh-huh. I would say say,   if you wanna become a US citizen,   join our military. After four years, you'll be a citizen.  

[01:00:33] Jesse Fries:

Well, there is that. There is that. But, you know, you could go this route. You know? We have the lottery, the green card lottery and whatnot. You know? We now have what the golden passport or whatever that is called, the golden visa. I don't can't remember what Trump called it.   Yeah. Yeah. Where if you pay enough money,   you can come and be a citizen.   Yeah. So anything like that, I don't care. You know? It's, oh, yeah. Just just do it legally, people. That's all we're saying. Just do it legally, and then we're good to go.  

[01:01:01] Jamon Fries:

And I'm perfectly fine with them coming up with new ways to make it legal.  

[01:01:06] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I have no problem with that. I mean,  

[01:01:08] Jamon Fries:

that's what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah. Right? Congress is supposed to be determining   who we're gonna let you know, how many people we can let let in legally. They're not doing their jobs, so other people have to find a way to do it. I know. You know? It's just like,  

[01:01:26] Jesse Fries:

you you know, these Mexicans, they really wanted to come here, but, you know,   a pilot in New York City just decided to just ram that boat right into the bridge. Did you see that?  

[01:01:38] Jamon Fries:

Yes. I did. The Mexican  

[01:01:41] Jesse Fries:

navy ship.   Yep. Unfortunately, like, two people died.   Yeah.   But,   ironically,   one of them was named America   or however you would pronounce it in Spanish.   One of them's first name was America. I'm just saying definitely very ironic.   It's very ironic.   But, yeah, it it is a sad story overall. But, basically, this was a goodwill ship,   with it it it was a tall ship, so it had mass. It was a sailing ship for god's sakes. It wasn't like a real   navy ship nowadays.   Right.   But, apparently, it was on a global tour, goodwill tour,   and it made it from Acapulco to New York City, and that's where it ended. So it's   Yeah. Didn't make the rest of the way.  



[01:02:29] Jamon Fries:

The latest report I saw was that it was a New York pilot that ended up that was that drove it into the bridge.  

[01:02:36] Jesse Fries:

Well,   it was   from what they say from what the police say, New York police say, the ship lost power  

[01:02:46] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[01:02:47] Jesse Fries:

While it was while it was leaving the harbor.   And then since it lost power, then it got sucked toward the bridge by the current.   Mhmm. And it didn't have power, so it couldn't fight against that.  

[01:03:01] Jamon Fries:

You know, that sounds very   familiar.  

[01:03:08] Jesse Fries:

Oh, the one down in,   yeah, yeah, yeah, Baltimore area? Yeah. Yeah. The one that hit the bridge. Ship suddenly lost power and Yep. Yep. Ran into a bridge.   Yep.  

[01:03:22] Jamon Fries:

I don't know.  

[01:03:24] Jesse Fries:

Don't be a conspiracy conspiracy theorist, Jamie. Come on.  

[01:03:29] Jamon Fries:

I am not a conspiracist   conspiracist   theory theorist.   However,   I love making people think about conspiracies. However.   If I can foment a conspiracy   about this Yes. I I will have done my job.   Yeah.  

[01:03:48] Jesse Fries:

But yeah. So the Mexican navy attacked us, you know. Yep.   That's another way you could say it. I'm just saying. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.   I think that means we can attack the cartels now. Right? You know, they attack us. I think so. Yeah. They they it's   it's war now. They say,   MacGyver,   not MacGyver.   MacGyver?   The   a rep who,   she was, arrested   for that whole mayor thing, DHS. She's a representative,   where they try to break into that or not break into. They   they went in for inspection, and then the mayor tried to get in. They arrested the mayor and her. They dropped the charges on the mayor,   which was a simple trespass.  



[01:04:43] Jamon Fries:

Right.  

[01:04:44] Jesse Fries:

But they have they're going with it, for her assault charge. They're Oh, yeah. Charging yeah. They're charging. No matter who you are, you can't assault the police.   Or yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So   we'll see how that plays out. Of course, people are claiming politics and everything like that. And, you know,   Yeah.   Yeah. Everybody claimed politics with Trump too. And so, you know, it's whether or not it is,   you can make your choice based off of that. But,  

[01:05:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, to me, it all comes   to me it to me, the only thing political about it   is the decision to press charges or not.   Yeah.   Yep. Everything in the in the case in the case itself will be about the assault, not about their politics.   So the Oh, yeah. Politics involved is whether to press charges or not.  

[01:05:35] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. Yep.  

[01:05:38] Jamon Fries:

And, honestly, I like the precedent they're setting with this is that   just because you're   a congressperson   Yep. Just because you're a rep does not mean that you're above the law.  

[01:05:49] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Makes sense to me. It makes sense to me as well. And we'll let the courts decide. So Yeah.   Makes sense to me.   Let's see here. What else do we got?   Oh, that,   the Palm Springs, fertility   clinic bombing? Yes. Yes.   Yeah. That guy,   he was a antinatalist.   Have you ever heard of that?   No. So, basically or you you could also call it a pro mortalist.   So, basically, pro people dying.   Right? Okay. So, antinatalist is basically somebody that never wanted to be born. He actually thinks it's horrendous to have people be born.   Okay.  

It's along the lines of nihilism. Do you know nihilism?   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's along the lines of nihilism, but it's a specific   antinatalist.   So, like, you just don't want people to be born.   Because he says he he has a whole manifesto, and it was like going, life is life is hard. Life sucks.   I did not ask to be born. I did not wanna be born,   so on and so forth.  

[01:07:09] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Sorry. I I I just can't wrap my head around it. You know?   Yes. Life is hard. Yes. Life   can suck from time to time.   Yeah. But it can also be fucking amazing.  

[01:07:25] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Exactly.   Yeah.  

[01:07:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I don't I'm sorry that I'm sorry that he's never had any of those amazing aspects, but   Never had. Would have given himself time. But Yeah. Yeah. If he if he had given himself time, he might have found those amazing aspects as well.  

[01:07:42] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Some people,  

[01:07:45] Jamon Fries:

the wonder if he was, like, go so mentally into it that they just won't even recognize that something amazing is happening.  

[01:07:52] Jesse Fries:

Or that   does the amazing   counteract the negative. You know? It's like, I don't know. It's,   Yeah. No. I I'm along with along the lines of you, life sucks. It does. Yep. But it's also good.  

[01:08:07] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's hard times. There's good times. There's easy times. There's I mean,   it it's   yeah.   Living life is definitely far better than   choosing not to or thinking that no one should.  

[01:08:23] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's a funny bit, you know. Yeah. Because it it's like, nope. I don't want you to be born either.   You know? Baby's going, fuck you.  

[01:08:34] Jamon Fries:

Damn it. I was gonna be Trump's new child. I was gonna live a great life.  

[01:08:39] Jesse Fries:

Trump's child?   What?   I think he's done having kids, dude. I'm just saying. I know. I know. Unless if he gets a new wife, you never know.  

[01:08:50] Jamon Fries:

He he Melania seems to be pretty cool. So it's He was the first example that I could come up with that was very rich and very influential and very powerful.   Got it. Got it. Got it. I need you know, it it's   or,   what is it?   Oh, who's the one that they always joke about that he has another kid on another a new kid?  

[01:09:17] Jesse Fries:

No clue.  

[01:09:19] Jamon Fries:

Shit. I can't remember.   Yeah.   I think it's, some   actor or something like that.   Always popping up always has new kids popping up in the area around.   Yeah. I don't know who you're talking about. Yeah. No. I I can't remember his name either. I can't remember who it was.   I I saw it on the Gutfeld show just a couple of days ago. I don't I don't remember it now.  

[01:09:50] Jesse Fries:

Got it.   Let's see here.   Ukraine, NATO,   whatnot.   Apparently, Berlin and Paris,   so the Germans and the French,   apparently, they've overcome a rift. Apparently, there is a rift over nuclear energy.   Germany was completely   anti   nuclear energy for some godass reason. They really got scared by that Fukushima,   accident. They did. Yeah. They got scared.  

[01:10:20] Jamon Fries:

But the French never the French has hasn't the French backed off of nuclear energy quite a bit too, though? I think they've done that due to EU pressure.  

[01:10:29] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I think that's really about it.  

[01:10:31] Jamon Fries:

I know so. Has, like, completely gotten rid of it, almost.  

[01:10:35] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, if you want them to have clean energy,   you know  

[01:10:40] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   It's the best clean energy there out there.   Yeah. Because it can actually It's abundant. It doesn't fluctuate.   You know? It doesn't cause problems like what happened in Spain a few weeks ago.  

[01:10:53] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.   So, yeah, what it is is the German government signal to France it will no longer object to treating nuclear power on par with, renewable energy.  

[01:11:05] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[01:11:07] Jesse Fries:

Because in the EU, each state really gets a say in the matter.   And so because of that,   it causes issues.   Yeah. Like that sort of thing.   So but yeah. Yeah. It's good for the climate if you wanna be   don't wanna put c o two in the air. So Yeah.  

[01:11:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   It's another troubling area for me.   Why so?   It brought well, it I I saw something yesterday in doing my research that brought to mind.  

[01:11:43] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[01:11:46] Jamon Fries:

If and it's   so there was a study done   that shows that climate change   is detrimental   to our gut health.  

[01:12:01] Jesse Fries:

To our gut health?  

[01:12:02] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Okay. How now? It was what it was saying is that as the as the climate gets warmer,   there is less nutrients in the vegetables that we eat.  

[01:12:15] Jesse Fries:

How now?   Literally, how? Yeah.  

[01:12:18] Jamon Fries:

It it was it was it was blaming the lifelong problem of farming one crop   for over over many years on the same field. Mono Coast. It blamed everything that happens because of that   on global warming.  

[01:12:38] Jesse Fries:

What now?  

[01:12:43] Jamon Fries:

It also blamed   global war it also blamed   it on   as temperatures   increase   and there's more green on the planet   Uh-huh. This means that there's more oxygen and because there's more oxygen, it's going it it can it can affect the human body in very detrimental ways according to it. It can make it so that it's that more bad bacteria can grow in your body.  

[01:13:14] Jesse Fries:

There's so many things wrong with that.   I know.  

[01:13:19] Jamon Fries:

But, I mean, this is this is the point that we're to where you have to make   serious shit up   Yeah. Just to keep people afraid   of of  

[01:13:30] Jesse Fries:

of CO two. Completely. Completely. Yeah. No. It it's it's like okay. Let let me attack just okay. The monoculture   thing.   That's how   things have been done since, like,   a long time. Okay? Because Yeah. The the the it it works especially when it's a large scale sort of situation because Yep.   You just focus on that one thing, and so you can produce a lot more of that one thing   than you could if you're doing polyculture.   Yeah. Polyculture,   if you guys don't know, it's just where you're doing multiple crops all at once.   Yeah.  

The classic example of this I I kinda taught this, when I was teaching college.   So the history of this, but, basically, it's like with polyculture.   Indians, Native Americans did this all the time. They used the what they what's called the three sisters.   You they would add it would be corn, squash, and beans.   Okay.   Okay? So the corn would provide a stock,   for the beans and the squash.   Right? Okay. And then the beans would put nitrogen   into the soil that the corn would pull up, and then the squash would, like, spread everywhere, which would   eliminate the weeds.  



[01:14:47] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[01:14:48] Jesse Fries:

So it was this perfect,   poly   agricultural   greatness. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it doesn't, which is great, and it's healthy. Everything like that. But you can't feed millions and billions of people doing it. No. You can't. No.  

[01:15:04] Jamon Fries:

Which Which is which is why we've instead gone to a   a system where you grow one crop that uses a lot of nitrogen, then you grow another crop that puts nitrogen into the soil, and then you grow another crop that puts other stuff into the soil. Then then you do that cycle and the the land   doesn't deteriorate as quickly. It still has problems, but it doesn't deteriorate as quickly.   Yeah. No. I it just   to blame that on global warming  

[01:15:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. That's just stupid. Is insane.   You know, we we we have, like, some starvation right now. Just saying. Yeah.  

[01:15:45] Jamon Fries:

This also goes to this also goes to   the my problems with the whole   theory of carbon dioxide   being   the reason for global warming. Uh-huh.   Do you know why they they make the assumption that that c o two is part of global warming? Why?   It's because when   they   did   they they   long time ago, they did ice core samples.  

[01:16:15] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:16:17] Jamon Fries:

And   in the ice cores, they found that they found signs of the planet warming up and then they sound found signs of carbon dioxide increasing.   So according to the samples themselves,   the planet warmed up and then the carbon dioxide   increased.   But   they then said,   well, carbon dioxide is a gas that can move through the ice.   And so it was at it started lower, but it moved up in the layer.  

[01:16:48] Jesse Fries:

What now?  

[01:16:50] Jamon Fries:

Yes.   According according to the theory,   in in those ice samples, the reason that carbon dioxide appears after the warming   is because the carbon dioxide   moved upward in the ice.  

[01:17:07] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I've never heard that bit before.  

[01:17:10] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That that was that was that was to that was so that they could prove that it was carbon dioxide.  

[01:17:17] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Right.  

[01:17:20] Jamon Fries:

Now I have   a couple of problems with that. The first one is that   if carbon dioxide moves upward in ice, the higher   it is in the ice state in the in the ice flow.   Carbon dioxide should not have moved as much.   Because the carbon dioxide from ten million years ago   would move would have moved a lot higher up than the carbon dioxide from a million years ago.  

[01:17:47] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Almost to the point where it'd be all at the same level.   Right.  

[01:17:52] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But they don't see that.   Ever they they they make they they make the statement that everything   the the the carbon dioxide at the level where it's increased is the same distance away from the warming   all the way up through the through the through the thing.   So their theory about the the carbon dioxide moving upwards in the ice is just a load of crap.  

[01:18:19] Jesse Fries:

It sounds awfully silly. It really does. It's like Yeah. It does. That one.  

[01:18:24] Jamon Fries:

But this was the argument that they had to make. This was the argument that they had to make so that it could make their point.   No. I understand. I understand. The other problem I have with it   is,   you know,   the weatherman   is at least right 50% of the time.  

[01:18:43] Jesse Fries:

Generally. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:18:45] Jamon Fries:

So that's our that's our current knowledge and abilities   on   meteorology  

[01:18:51] Jesse Fries:

and and weather. Well, right. Right. Yeah.  

[01:18:55] Jamon Fries:

Yet   not a single   test   has ever shown to be true   with   global warming.  

[01:19:09] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Yeah. It it's  

[01:19:11] Jamon Fries:

If it if you can't even test it and find and come up with an even, you know, even even if it even if they came up with the right answer 50% of the time Uh-huh. I would be more willing to admit it. Right. That it that it may be the case. Mhmm. But they have but every single time,   their prediction   has never proven true.   I   This is the reason it can't be a set science because a set science   can predict.  

[01:19:41] Jesse Fries:

But Al Gore said so, dude. Al Gore said so. I know.   So it's gotta be true. Right? He invented the Internet.  

[01:19:49] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Yes.   And we all know that everything on the Internet is real. Yeah. Exactly. Including that he invented the Internet. Yeah.  

[01:20:04] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It's  

[01:20:07] Jamon Fries:

yeah. I've kinda like All of all of these things that they do to prevent carbon dioxide in the air. I mean, I don't have a problem with reducing carbon with the with the with reducing   the amount of man made emissions.   Yeah. Because   I want clean air to breathe. Yeah. I don't wanna be breathing the shit that you breathe in LA. I mean, as a truck driver, I've been to all of the major cities,   and I know for a fact that the air in Wyoming and the air in Montana,   it was so much easier to breathe than the air in New York City or the air in LA. Oh, yeah. Completely. Completely. So I'm all for I'm all for getting rid of those pollutants out of the air.   But I don't think trying,   you know, I don't think blaming carbon dioxide   for the whole global warming issue   Mhmm.  



[01:21:03] Jesse Fries:

Is an appropriate way of doing that. Well, it's a good way to get another tax is basically what it is. Yeah. Yeah. That that that's, it's a way to make money.   Yeah. Oh, and, apparently,   Britain's   current PM prime minister, he decided to,   join that whole   EU thing again.   So basically   especially when it comes to, like, environment and everything like that. So that's gonna cost The UK Billions Of Dollars. Did you know that did you know that UK   is below   nothing against these people in The United States. You're lovely people. You're better than The UK. Did you know that The UK   economy is worse than our worst economy of Mississippi?  



[01:21:47] Jamon Fries:

I can definitely believe that.  

[01:21:51] Jesse Fries:

Isn't that crazy? And Mississippi has a lot less people   Oh, yeah. Than The UK does.   Yep. It's crazy.   It is completely crazy. Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. Apparently, even, like, Germany is getting down there too. It's like   Yeah. Well, I think that's over Europe. It's crazy.  

[01:22:08] Jamon Fries:

The the rich nations in Europe   have been having their blood sucked by the by the other nations in Europe,   making it impossible for them to survive.  

[01:22:19] Jesse Fries:

No. I think they're killing themselves. They're letting all these people in. All this money is going to social programs where nobody does anything,   and they're just sitting around. They're not   contributing anything. You know? It's  

[01:22:31] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But, I mean, they've, you know,   gone back a ways, you know, the Greece bailouts   where EU had to bail out Greece.  

[01:22:42] Jesse Fries:

Well,   they only had to do that because they joined the EU Euro system.   I know. If they had their own if they had their own Yeah.   Money,   what what did they have? The shekel or the   I can't remember what it was. But, yeah, they if they had their own, but, they would have been fine. But they decided to join the the euro, and now Yep. They have no control over their system.  

[01:23:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Well, that that's that's one of the problems. I mean, if you look at the EU,  

[01:23:14] Jesse Fries:

it's  

[01:23:18] Jamon Fries:

now don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing the government styles or anything like that.   But the EU is is essential   or the morality or anything like that. The EU   form of government is essentially the same as the old USSR,   where you had Russia   mandating to all the other countries   that they had to do things a certain way.  

[01:23:47] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:23:49] Jamon Fries:

Well, yeah. I mean, the USSR had a lot of problems that the EU doesn't. It has, you know, the EU USSR was, in my books, a pretty bad concept.   But then again, I'm not a big fan of the EU concept either.  

[01:24:04] Jesse Fries:

Well, I'd be fine with the EU if it was actually democratic.   Yeah.   It is just so technocratic.   There's not   to to me, it's kinda like   they're kinda in the fight that we were in back in,   like, when we came up with our constitution. You know? Before that, we had the articles of Confederacy and everything like that. And the federal government couldn't do anything. They couldn't collect their own taxes. They couldn't do anything. And Yep. They had no power. But   Yeah.   Which is better back then. But it's what I'm saying is that   I liken it to that to where the EU needs to decide if they're actually one country   Yes.  

Or if   they're not. They they really have to decide this. You you know? Because right now, they're, like, this in between situation because that's how The United States was at the beginning too. It's like each state is its own country. Yep.   And so which one are you? Are you a state, or are you   a country?   And Yeah. If you're a country, that means sovereignty. That means   nobody could tell you what to do.   Right.   And they need to decide this. They they because right now, it's led by, what, van der Luyen or whatever her name is. And that's kind of a nondemocratic   way to pick a leader. Just saying.  

You know? It's like  

[01:25:32] Jamon Fries:

I I think that it they're trying to I mean,   it is   I almost look at   the EU,   the the government body of the EU,   as attempting   to go back to   almost a monarchist   system  

[01:25:57] Jesse Fries:

Well  

[01:25:59] Jamon Fries:

in a way?  

[01:26:01] Jesse Fries:

It's a technocratic,   system,   because there's not necessarily one monarch,   but it it it's a technocrat. You know? The the technocrats run the whole situation. So the scientists tell you what to do. The urban planners tell you what to do.   So and so forth. You know? It it's purely that is how it is. It's like we have a lot of it too now. You know? Fauci was in charge of so many things. He was a technocrat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? It   it's technocrats need to go away. I hate technocrats.  

[01:26:32] Jamon Fries:

Yes. You know your area, but you don't know people. Well, you know, you know how it works. Yeah. So to me, the per the the the better form of government would be   having technocrats,   but they're only advisors.   They they give their opinion to the body politic,   and the body politic decides   where to go because you've got to have somebody that can see everything.  

[01:26:57] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And then you just, like, throw it off to them just to handle to begin with because it's easier to  

[01:27:03] Jamon Fries:

do that. Well, I mean, that's what become that's what our bureaucracies  

[01:27:07] Jesse Fries:

became. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So no. I understand. I understand. But, yeah, that that's how I view the EU. I just view it as they need to shit or get off the pot.  

[01:27:15] Jamon Fries:

Yes.  

[01:27:17] Jesse Fries:

Pick which one you are.  

[01:27:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, the the type of control that they want over every country basically is saying   that there is no country there that we're all just one part of one country. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, they don't wanna say that.   Yep.   Because they don't wanna say that. Still hate each other. Most of the countries will not agree to that.  

[01:27:40] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I just bring on the fourth Reich. Just do it. Come on.   No. That's basically what it is if you really think about it. It's the fourth Reich. You know? The fourth empire. That's all it is. So   Yeah. Yeah.   Nothing wrong with that. You know? Okay.   Well, hopefully not. You know? It's gotta be better than the third Reich. That was horrible. Yeah. Yes.  

[01:28:06] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Yeah. Hope hopefully, you know, with the if the with the fourth Reich, if it's hopefully, it has   humanitarian  

[01:28:15] Jesse Fries:

and Well, no. It it it'll be the technocrat,  

[01:28:18] Jamon Fries:

sort of situation, I really think. Well, no. No. I I know that. But I mean, it   with right now as as the world as a whole, I keep hearing about, you know, like, with what's going on in Gaza. They're they're saying that it's,   that there's humanitarian   laws that prevent that should be preventing that from happening,   but   nobody's really preventing it from happening.  

[01:28:42] Jesse Fries:

Well I mean  

[01:28:44] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. They they talk a big talk, but they have absolutely no game.  

[01:28:49] Jesse Fries:

Well, but that's because they're corrupt. Remember that I I think we talked about it. We're the   guy who is in charge of,   putting the prosecution on   Netanyahu. He raped a woman or a couple of women, and he told them, oh, don't say anything just so that we can, get the the Jews, you know, or help the Palestinians. You know? It's like, you know, What the hell kinda thing is that? You know? It's oh, I also read a thing now that, Jack Smith, you know him. Right? The guy that was in charge of the prosecution against Trump. Apparently, there there was a whistleblower that he was, like,   getting   I think it was on the gateway pundit.  

But, basically, he was, like,   he was   he was completely corrupt. He was   blackmailing   everybody   in the EU   basically saying, oh, I'm gonna get you if you don't pay me money.   And the people that didn't pay him money were thrown in jail in the ICC.  

[01:29:45] Jamon Fries:

Oh, shit.  

[01:29:46] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. And then, apparently, this whistleblower is going up and everything like that. And then, apparently, the DOJ this is the story that they   that they inferred. Basically,   they inferred that, he   went to,   he wasn't gonna do anything with Trump or anything like that, but the DOJ got this whistleblower and then went to Jack Smith and then goes, you have to get Trump.   If you don't, we're gonna arrest you and throw you in jail. So he was blackmailed,   supposedly. I I don't know. This is what the I think it was a game we funded.   And so yeah. So it was a a  

[01:30:25] Jamon Fries:

interesting situation. That that is very interesting.  

[01:30:29] Jesse Fries:

Right? Yeah. So there you go. It's,   apparently, there are blackmailers out there, they say. So, you know, what can you do? Oh, no way. People get blackmailed?   I know. By government? Who knew? Imagine that.   Let's see here. Oh, might as well stop right now and let everybody know that we are a value for value podcast here at the minus meanderings.   What this means is that you help us. You can help us with ideas. You can help us,   with art. You can help us with songs. You can help us with anything. Just send us what you got. If you love the show, let us know. Send us some money even, you know, from   a dollar up to any amount. It doesn't matter. $5, 10 dollars, 20, 30, hundred million. You know you know, what could you do? That was a hundred and a million. Not a hundred million. I'm not gonna say that too. That'd be fine too. You know? Come on, Musk. You know you love us.  

But, yeah, just any way you could help us out, would be great.   We have fun doing this, so please help us continue doing that any which way you want. If you wanna send us ideas, you can send them to me at jesse@mindlessc.com   or to jamen@jamenatmindlessmeanderings.com.   Any which way you wanna help us would be great.   Now let's get into some business. So   I know you don't like this truck, Jayme, but I like this truck, the Slate EV. Have you guys heard about this thing? This thing is awesome. It really is. I just don't like the way it looks. I I I   it's just way too blocky for me. I've never liked blocky looking vehicles, though. No. I understand that. But you could put any skin on it you want.  

Yeah.   Anything.   But it doesn't change how blocky it is. Because it's like a plastic shell is what it is. So you could do anything you want, and it's customizable. You can have, like, bare bones nothing for $20.   Come on. That's a perfect price point right there. That's, like,   you can't beat that price point.   You really can't.   It you know, it does for a new vehicle, though. That would be very hard to beat that. But then it doesn't come with anything. It doesn't come with speakers. It doesn't come with the entertainment system or anything like that. Customize everything.   Or just plug your phone into it. It has the ports where you can do that. Well, yeah. So Yeah. Wait. Wait. Just keep using it. I mean, you know, you you you can customize it as cheaply as you want to, or you could buff it up to an insane thing. Yeah. And it's just the two front seats, you know, or three. I think it's a bench in there.  

Mhmm.   And, yeah, you just can customize it. You could even make it a SUV.   Two door SUV. You can make it anything you want. It's freaking awesome.   I love this thing.   I'm thinking of getting one.  

[01:33:16] Jamon Fries:

Like, really thinking of getting one. The the fir the first time I saw an article about that truck,   I I think, you know, it just kind of I think that article has really made it so that I'm really against the truck. Uh-huh.   Because it called it the transformer of trucks. Oh, that's just stupid. No. If you're calling something a freaking transformer, it has to be able to transform, not just be have a new shell.  

[01:33:40] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. No. It it's well, it could be like a SUV. It could be a truck. It can be Yeah.  

[01:33:46] Jamon Fries:

You can put rails on it. You You know, when when you think transformer,   it's like, okay. So it's one thing, but then it becomes something else without you having to spend a lot of money.  

[01:33:59] Jesse Fries:

Yes. Yes. I I completely understand. Yep.  

[01:34:03] Jamon Fries:

So just But no that first article just kinda threw my threw my head off in the wrong space for that one. I understand. I understand that.  

[01:34:11] Jesse Fries:

I just like the concept of it. A nice cheap thing.   I'm thinking for my next car because   I I I I have to buy a GM car. It's just part of the rules that I have to go by here. Yep. And so I'm thinking of, like, getting,   like, leasing a very, very cheap one.   Like, one that could,   combustion engine,   one that I can have. And then getting this sucker, this little EV just for tool around town, you know. I I think it'd be fine. You know? It's Yeah. Yeah. That's what I say. You know? It's like,  

[01:34:43] Jamon Fries:

yeah. I don't need to spend a lot of money on something. Get two cars instead of what? You know? Yeah. Makes sense. Absolutely. I mean, you know, you'd for for your use, you do need to have a combustion engine for your travel. Yep. Yep. You know? Like my road trip I'm about to take. Yeah. If if you're gonna go on a road trip, you gotta have combustion engines. Oh, yeah. There   yes. The electric infrastructure   has   has improved quite a bit in in the West Coast where you can drive for quite a while and still find charging points.  

[01:35:13] Jesse Fries:

Well, e even beyond that, I it's the wait. But   yeah. It's the wait. You you know, you sit there and you have to wait, like  

[01:35:20] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah.  

[01:35:22] Jesse Fries:

Way too long just to get 80   people to drive two hours. Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, pointless. No. No. I I'm just,   yeah, completely ice is what I'm going for. So yeah. Yep.  

[01:35:35] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So until we until that technology comes here that can charge it in five minutes that you were talking about a couple of weeks ago Uh-huh. Week.   Once that gets here,   electric vehicles, I think, will blow up.  

[01:35:50] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I could see that. Until then,   just like Honda has decided,   EVs are not the way to go right now. Yeah. Honda is actually downshifting how much they're gonna,   input into the EV market. Okay.   So and even GM, they're trying to GM's trying to it's kinda funny. They're try they're pushing hard,   trying to, get rid of,   California's EV mandate.   Yeah.   Even though GM has the same mandate internally. They, they said, all electric by '35,   but   because that's what California says.   Yeah.   But the market isn't there. And that's what the GM is is saying is that that gradual one, it's just not there. So there's no way that they can do it. Yeah. And so they're actually, like, at least, apparently, they sent the email to their white collar workers. Now this is all in the news. I I haven't talked to my wife about this one, just so you know. She works for GM, but I haven't talked to her about this one. But, apparently, they sent a email to their white collar,   to try to have them and it's like talking points. So please write to your senator   about with these talking points so that we could get   it's like point.  



[01:37:04] Jamon Fries:

Oh, wow. Well, I mean, you know, it it's   it's   yeah. I mean, electric vehicles   have   a lot of great sides to them. Uh-huh.   Even even if you completely   don't   take into   account the emissions. Oh, yeah. Yeah.   Their acceleration is a lot faster. Their Yep.   The the just the noise   that's created you know, you don't have the noise of the engine Maintenance is less.   Maintenance is less. There's less moving parts. There's Yep.   It's   there are a lot of good sides to the EV vehicle.   Oh, yeah. Oh, so I shouldn't have said the EV vehicle because that's like saying the electronic vehicle is awful. Yeah. We understand.   But   the downsides are also there right now. For example, in extremely cold weather, EVs have a lot of problems.  

Mhmm.   You don't have fast charging. So   unlike a combustion engine where you can fill your tank up in five minutes,   you're, you know, you're almost spending more time charging the vehicle than you are actually driving the vehicle.  

[01:38:16] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yep.  

[01:38:18] Jamon Fries:

So for long distance and in cold climates,   the EV is still not there.   No. It really isn't there. Once it once it gets there Yeah. Yeah. Once it gets there, then, yes, there will be a progressional shift over to it because it just makes sense to you. Mhmm.   But until that natural progression happens because technology has gotten to the point where it can take over,   you can't force it.   Because if you force it, it'll just lead to a lot of downsides.   Oh. In fact, it may it may make it it may make it so that it's become such a hated idea that it gets dropped completely.  

[01:39:01] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah.   Yeah. Oh, boy. We're getting long in the tooth here. Let's We are. Yeah. Let's, And we haven't covered a lot of stuff yet. Yeah. Let let let's let's try to close this up real quick. Let's see what do we got that you really wanna cover.   You got anything that you really, really wanna cover?   The chimps using medicinal plants to treat their wounds. Yeah. Apparently, they do that. It's quite interesting. They they take medication.   So it's a new study,   and they're our closest living relatives. And they chew plants and apply makeshift,   politus or polates. Polites. I Yeah. There you go. There you go. To wounds.  

So and they use leaves as a hygienic scrub.  

[01:39:52] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm. So yeah. Just so you know, we're smart, but so are other animals, especially our cousins, the chimps. Well, you you you know what I found very interesting about this is that Uh-huh. Article that I that I ran across that was talking about it.   It was, like,   they can actually use plants in nature to heal themselves?   I know. Right? I'm sitting there. Okay.   What has,   you know, Chinese medicine,   the old   in Europe, the Druidic medicines and stuff like that.   You're you're you're talking about this as if it's something that humans have never   done, but it's how humans survived for millions   for since   humans existed.  



[01:40:40] Jesse Fries:

Well yeah. Yeah. And they're our cousins. So, you know, it's, yeah. They they're they're tool users.   Yep. They do all these sort of things. Yeah. Up until they started using petrochemicals  

[01:40:50] Jamon Fries:

to make medicine.   We have used plants.  

[01:40:55] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. Yeah. I I I think I think it's not necessarily that we use plants that they use plants. It's just that they know how to do it is what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm I'm assuming that. But but this this the the article that I read on it just went off by this weird tangent. Got it. And I'm like,  

[01:41:11] Jamon Fries:

what the hell?   It's like we forgot about medical history from   how many   thousands of Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:41:21] Jesse Fries:

Guess what, people? We're chimps. That's all I say. We're monkeys. We're great apes.   We actually are great apes. Just so everybody knows.   Yes. I know the religious say we're not. Yada yada yada. But, yeah, we are related. They are like us. We are like them. It's just what it is.   Let's see here. What else do I got that is,   that I find   entertaining   anything at all?   Corruption in NATO's procurement agency.   Big surprise there. It's a government agency. So, yeah, there's corruption there.   Oh, potatoes are better than human blood for making space bricks,   just so you know. If you ever wondered space bricks.  

Bricks made on the moon or in on Mars,   which I now call M and M.   It moves on Mars. M and M. Why  

[01:42:20] Jamon Fries:

why would have they ever thought of you've been using human blood?  

[01:42:23] Jesse Fries:

I don't know why they thought well, actually, I do know why they thought of it. What it is is that they're trying to figure out what you can build things,   with on the moon and Mars, and it has to be something that you can take with you.  

[01:42:36] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[01:42:37] Jesse Fries:

So   they tried,   because they're equating it to, like, concrete here on Earth. Right? Concrete here on Earth is roughly about, like, 36 whatever units, right, for hardness. Right? Yeah.   They tested   blood and urine, like a combination of blood and urine with because, well, astronauts just have blood and urine. Right? Yeah. Yeah.   And, apparently, that's, like, 40.   So it's higher.   It's better than our concrete.   And this is, like, testing it with,   supposed   Mars and Moon,   dust,   dirt sort of thing. Okay. Okay.   But then they found that potatoes replacing the water.   Oh, or the other chemicals in there as well, like the lime and everything like that. Yeah.  

Because you don't know what you can find on other places. Right.   And so they but they have found that starch, potato starch,   is actually at about a 70 level or something like that. So Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And they kinda figured that humans wouldn't wanna give that much blood.   Just saying. I mean, yeah.  

[01:43:44] Jamon Fries:

Especially, you know, as as as the, as the base starts getting larger, I mean, you gotta have more people to drain.  

[01:43:52] Jesse Fries:

Right?   And would you be   do would you just love living in a home made full of your blood?   And if it warms up too much   if it warms up too much, will it just start to seep out of  

[01:44:17] Jamon Fries:

concrete?   Oh, wow. Yeah. That that wouldn't be so good.   It really would. It really wouldn't.  

[01:44:24] Jesse Fries:

But to end it all, let let let's, talk about, so apparently, Gates and Musk are in a fight   of words.   So Gates, basically, he has accused Musk of killing the world's poorest children.   Right?   Because he's head of Doge and and and cutting off US aid. Aid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Gates, whose foundation   uses a lot of US aid money in their Yes. Projects and everything like that, he has accused   Musk of killing the poorest children.   Musk replied by saying this is a quote that he had. Who does Bill think Bill Gates think he is to make comments about the welfare of children   given that he was very very close to Jeffrey Epstein.  

I   I wouldn't want that guy to babysit my kids.  

[01:45:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Nice. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:45:24] Jesse Fries:

And with that, thank you heck, though. Right. Right. And with that, thank you for joining us for episode 38 of the minus meanderies podcast. I'm Jesse Fries. And I'm Jamin Fries.   And you guys have a great week.