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A roaming conversation between brothers covering Tariffs and the EU economy.
Host by:

- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:19) Introduction

(00:01:03) Conspiracy Theories and Plane Crash

(00:07:08) USAID and Government Overreach

(00:14:40) Tariffs and International Trade

(00:26:31) Trump's Gaza Proposal

(00:36:06) TikTok and Government Ownership

(00:45:02) CIA Buyouts and Workforce Changes

(00:50:20) California's Climate Change Bill

(00:55:02) Science Updates: Quantum Physics and Asteroids

(01:02:14) AI Limitations and Ethical Concerns

(01:12:17) European Economy and Regulations

(01:20:21) Scotland's Cat Ban Proposal

(01:22:48) Cyber Farting Incident in the UK

[00:00:20] Jesse Fries:

Good morning, everyone. It is Wednesday,   February 5, and we are live with episode number 23   of the mindless mandarins. I'm Jesse Fries coming to you from Central Texas,   where we're wondering how the refs are gonna help the Chiefs win the Super Bowl.  

[00:00:38] Jamon Fries:

And I'm come I'm Jamin Fries coming at you from Eastern Kansas, where   our politicians   are calling Trump irresponsible.   Imagine that.   That's crazy. Calling Trump irresponsible.  

[00:00:52] Jesse Fries:

That's just crazy. That's just craziness. Right? I know.  

[00:00:55] Jamon Fries:

Yes. I I guess, the the plane that, that   hit the, plane that went down in   over by DC Oh, yeah. That was, it was out of Wichita.   Right.   And so they,   Trump came out and said that, you know, DEI hires and all that other stuff. And so they're so the so the politicians here are now going, he he's insane. He's he's irresponsible. He shouldn't have made those comments.  

[00:01:24] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. He   he he   you you never know what's gonna come out of Trump's mouth. That that that's what it's You never did. But but then, you know, it's like since we're jumping into that, it's like,   the the conspiracy theories about this thing are crazy. You know? It's like, we we had, like, Trump and everything like that, and then other people blaming the DEI   hires and everything like that.   Yeah. And and in there, it's like, the blame made Obama   and Biden.   And then they're also,   blaming the unqualified   pilots and controllers, saying that the pilots and controllers were   unqualified even though there's no proof of that whatsoever. You know? Right. Right.  

Then,   there's the there was a high profile target on the plane   as in I think one of them was somebody was gonna come testify,   on the hill, and so they needed to get rid of them before   he could or she could testify.   There was that one.  

[00:02:27] Jamon Fries:

Then there was a the I've I've heard, that I've heard one about how this is because of Trump's firing of all those FAA personnel and stuff like that. Yeah. Forgetting the Department of Transportation or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's like,  

[00:02:42] Jesse Fries:

okay.   And then you have, oh, there was a target on the helicopter. The high profile target was on the helicopter. Somebody on the helicopter was gonna   do something.   And then there's course. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was the, oh, it's a terrorist attack. You know, there's always that one, of course. Well, of course. Yes. And then one of my favorites is, the helicopter was a drone.   I love that one. That one.  

[00:03:07] Jamon Fries:

The look   a Blackhawk helicopter   was a drone. Yeah. Interesting.  

[00:03:12] Jesse Fries:

Well, they have been able to,  

[00:03:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I know that they got that where they can do where they can do a pilot list now. But,   if I'm not mistaken, there were service members that lost their lives.  

[00:03:26] Jesse Fries:

That well, the conspiracy theory is According to what they say.   That's what they say.   You know?   And it didn't help anything that the family of the female,   officer   didn't want her name released.   So that just led even further into,   all this conspiracy   talk. It's, you know, it's pure craziness.  

[00:03:50] Jamon Fries:

But Yeah.  

[00:03:51] Jesse Fries:

I think it's just a tragic accident. That's all it is.   You know, it's   you have all these videos and everything like that, but, you know, you can't know anything. You know? It's,   I think it was a tragic accident. That's what I think. Because if you look at,   they say that that airport   is way overcrowded   Mhmm.   To the point where the airport says we can't take any more planes. But since it's in DC,   a congressman will go, well, I need a direct flight from my home   to that airport.   Yeah. And so and so you have,   what, like, 435   reps and then you have a hundred senators and they all want one from their home, you know, a direct flight and everything like that. Yeah.  

Yep.   And then now that those helicopters, they're buzz in the Potomac, and there's only a few hundred feet difference in between the planes landing and the helicopter zone.   Yeah.   It's just crazy.  

[00:04:53] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It is. That that's   that's a recipe for disaster, and the disaster fine actually finally happened. I mean, it was bound to happen eventually.   Very unfortunate that it did, but,   you know, I mean, there there's   when when you've got that many aircraft in the sky, it happens occasionally, unfortunately.  

[00:05:15] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Especially when the helicopter zone and because with all their Yeah. Military bases there and everything like that, they're going back and forth.   Yep. And then you have just the planes coming in constantly landing,   because nobody wants to drive   to Dulles. You know? They just wanna fly right into Reagan. So because it's cool. It's just downtown. So  

[00:05:36] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. I I mean, the the   the best that I could say that should happen is   well, I mean, it's really impossible to make the change now, but their part should never have been built there.  

[00:05:53] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But everybody wanted a quick way to get to,   congress. So,   you know, it  

[00:06:00] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But at the same time,   that could have been building a,   an underground subway   that took them from Dulles to the Capitol Building   or something. Right. You know what I mean? No. I understand. There's there's so many other options than building another airport  

[00:06:19] Jesse Fries:

right there just messing up the everything even more. I don't know which one was built first. I don't know if it was Dulles or if it was Reagan, so I don't know   on that. Yeah. So   I don't know the history of those airports.   So   but   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just tragic accident is my book, my belief on that. So Yep.  

[00:06:41] Jamon Fries:

Hopefully, there's something they can do to to   reduce the risks of it even further. But, really, I mean, the only thing that I can think of would be changing where the military helicopters can fly, and   they kinda need to be where they're need to be able to go where they go right now. So I don't know how I don't know what you can do about it.  

[00:07:02] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I don't. I I   maybe must should just get rid of it. You know? Like, he is with everything else. Yeah. It's a   Yep. Like, USAID,   that's, like, pretty much gone now. They're trying to completely   shut that down.  

[00:07:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I'd I, I heard a interesting interview, and, you know, I I never quite I when I first heard the story, I didn't quite understand why they were shutting it down completely.  

[00:07:29] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:07:30] Jamon Fries:

But then I heard a interview by a senator,   and he was saying, you know, every time we try to get information from them,   they will   delete servers. They will change information. They will Right. Just flat out refuse to give us this information. So for for Musk to even have a chance   of finding out where the money's actually going,   he has to kick everyone out of the building.  

[00:07:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It it it it's   well, the way I view USAID is that it's just a arm of   the state department and the CIA.   That is all it is. It's,   just a front   for us to throw money to try to get rid of,   governments that we don't want,   things like that. Apparently, we gave, like, 54,000,000   or something like that to   get a democracy in Georgia, the country. Yeah. It's like, yep.   Why are we   interfering with them? You know, we were worried about,   what, Russia with maybe a million dollars on Facebook or something like that, and we're throwing 54,000,000   at Georgia. You know, it's Yep.  

I I'm sorry. There's just   there's a lot of shadiness there. Now don't get me wrong. The government can do what it needs to and everything like that. But   going through school, going through college and everything like that, I always had these professors just tell us how the crazy things that,   our government did. You know?   And   this is what we've been doing since, like, World War two.   You know? We've been Yeah. Messy. We've been puppeting the whole world and everything like that, and it's just   I always found those things to be ridiculous. And so because of that, I hate   I don't mind this being shut down whatsoever.  



[00:09:24] Jamon Fries:

So Oh, yeah. No. Absolutely.   It it the the problem that I have with it is,   you know, there are some   a few good things that The USA does,   but they   it it has become just   a complete tool of   government overthrow   of   I mean, it's so many of those things that that they've that they've that we know about now that that are getting funded.   Like, you know, LGBTQ   people in some country are just getting money from them.   Yeah. You know? I mean,   what the hell are they doing with our money? That's our tax money.  

[00:10:09] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Exactly.   Exactly. You you you know, it's,   speaking of that, there was I'm not sure if you've seen the video, but, there's this video of,   former president of Kenya,   Uhuru Kenyatta.   Like, he was at like, talking to,   a African,   assembly or something like that   Mhmm. Of government workers and everything like that. And he was basically just going, okay.   You're crying about not having money from the US government.   The best line is, why are you crying?   You know,   he he he goes,   we're not US citizens. We don't pay taxes there. Why are you crying about money that you had nothing to do with? You know, he he just Yeah. With, this whole thing. But the best line really was why you cried.   But it was it's   it it was so nice to see, you know, and  

[00:11:02] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah.  

[00:11:03] Jesse Fries:

It it's nice to see other countries can, or other people around the world could see that. Now   my sister-in-law, she works for,   in Kenya, my sister-in-law. She works for   a someone that deals with AIDS,   disease and everything like that. Yeah. And she's a lawyer for them and everything like that. And   I think they get a good chunk of money from this. So I wonder I need to ask her how, that's gonna be affecting them because   yeah.   But, yeah,  

[00:11:34] Jamon Fries:

it's gonna grow. I'm I'm I'm assuming that eventually   the essential projects like,   the health you know, the the actual things that go to help people   in countries that we   need to have a a relationship with.   I'm sure that those will eventually come back, maybe not under USAID, but maybe maybe under something else.   But Well, you can't cut off all funding. We   right. You you can't cut off all funding, but I'll but, you know, what USAID was originally intended to be was   patience with   foreign powers that in places where we thought that where we felt that our presence was needed.   You know? It was   you don't really wanna deal with us, but we're gonna give you this if you'll talk to us.  



[00:12:26] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:12:28] Jamon Fries:

Right. And it's become so much different than that now.  

[00:12:32] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It is gotten a bit crazy.   From what I understand, it's gonna be brought back underneath the state department.   So but then the state department so I don't know how much is actually gonna change.   Right. Because so it'll be under the state department. Well, the CIA and the state department work hand in hand. You know?  

[00:12:54] Jamon Fries:

It is Yes. Yes. They  

[00:12:56] Jesse Fries:

If you're,   attache in a foreign country at the embassy, well, you're probably a spy.   You know? It's just what people know. You know? This is how it works. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.   Economic attache. Yeah. You're a spy. You know? It's just Yep. What it is. Yep. This is what all the spy shows tell us. You know? So  

[00:13:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   No. Absolutely. It it's   it's gonna be   interesting to see what comes out of everything.   But, you know, hopefully, at least for at least for now,   we'll get a lot of that spending under control, hopefully.  

[00:13:31] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The the other funny thing   about USAID   was, what, like, 50 plus officials were, put on administrative leave.   You know?   And then   then the what is it? The director of employee and labor relations for them, Nicholas Gottlieb,   he decided, oh, I'm just gonna reinstate you. Two hours later, he was put on administrative leave.  

[00:14:00] Jamon Fries:

Oh, wow. Yeah.  

[00:14:04] Jesse Fries:

Because the 50 were put like, the 50 plus were put on there for because they weren't doing what Trump wanted them to do or so they said. Right. And this guy says, no. They're not doing anything wrong. And then he got  

[00:14:16] Jamon Fries:

dismissed. I thought that was Well, you know, I mean, you don't do what Trump wants. You work for the federal government.   You're gonna be put on leave at the best.  

[00:14:24] Jesse Fries:

I thought that was funny. It's just like Yeah. Okay. There you go. Accountability.   Yeah. I knew that. Yep. Yep.  

[00:14:35] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It's crazy.  

[00:14:37] Jesse Fries:

It really is.  

[00:14:40] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Other places that Trump is trying to   trying to make an effect is in the, tariffs with, China.   Yep.   The US postal service has stopped accepting parcels from China and Hong Kong.  

[00:14:59] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Can't they just put a   tariff on those things? Why did they stop that?  

[00:15:05] Jamon Fries:

They they've stopped it because they have to reroute everything now,   with with the new tariff. Because up until now,   everything that was under $800   did not have to go through customs and borders.  

[00:15:19] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay.  

[00:15:21] Jamon Fries:

And so now   with the tariff, Trump is saying, no. You're gonna go through customs. You're going to be charged   you're gonna be charged the normal fees for for sending products to The United States.  

[00:15:36] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. It's only that so it's sent. Right? So  

[00:15:40] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   I I don't know exactly what   it it's essentially, what he's done is he eliminated a rule that was in place.   So now the every every parcel   that's,   every larger parcel will have to go through customs and will be it it'll no longer be duty free.  

[00:16:00] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Well  

[00:16:02] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Essentially, is is what it's gonna come is what that is. And so because of that, the US Postal Service had to stop accepting parcels so they can't,   so they can   because they have to go through customs now. So Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense.  

[00:16:18] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I know China's gonna try to fight back at the WTO,   to get rid of those tariffs, so   we'll see how that goes. They won last time. So last time Trump tried to do it.  

[00:16:31] Jamon Fries:

I don't understand   why one country can say you can't tariff us.  

[00:16:37] Jesse Fries:

Because   because it's free trade. See see see, that's the thing. It's this whole   idea of free trade and the WTO.   They   they usually side with, China on most of these things.   Even though it should be more of a balanced thing. You know? Yeah. But, yeah, they they they usually side with no tariffs is what they do, except China has a lot of tariffs on us, on our goods. Yeah. Like, 200, three hundred percent tariffs. You know? So it's like Yeah.  

[00:17:09] Jamon Fries:

I it   it just well,   I can envision once that happens a week later,   announcement. The US is withdrawing from the WTO.  

[00:17:21] Jesse Fries:

Which is funny because we started this thing. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:17:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Wouldn't surprise me. It it's it that that was something else that I heard from Trump. He was talking about how, you know, even with the UN and stuff like that, you know, the these are all these   international organizations,   they have been they were developed to help   solve problems,   but all they seem to do is   try to   enforce their view   on everyone rather than solving actual problems.   You know? And and we we're always the low man out even though   their 90% of their funding or more sometimes is coming from us.  

[00:18:01] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it seems to be the way.   I I heard this one thing where it's, like, after the cold war,   we just got into this idea of just   giving money to everybody. You know? Just Yeah. We we we thought it was our duty, and we just had to, like and we just went along with everything, you know, in Trump's trade. Well, we we started we  

[00:18:23] Jamon Fries:

started   doing that because of the cold war, during the cold war. Because we had we it it's amazing how   we did   everything we could to ensure that no other country was influenced by communism in any way.   We fought wars to prevent communism from going into a country.   I I mean, you know, the Vietnam War, that's that's   entirely what it was. It was purely   to stop communism.   Yeah. Dominantly. Yeah.   And so with us spending with us sending all this money everywhere to prevent them from adopting communism   or getting under the control of Russia,   did just you know, that's what we were sending everybody money money for, and so we've discontinued that even though that even though that   I mean, some people say the threat is still there, but,   honestly,   communism is just another form of government. It may treat its people shitty, but   that's not something for us to decide for another country.  



[00:19:25] Jesse Fries:

No. I I I agree with you on that one. It's a to to me, it's whether or not it's a   to me, communism that's tech   that that   that's   a that's a economic system.   Yeah. Now but   and then you have, like, authoritarian   dictatorship,   communism, and so on and so forth. You you could have that with a free market. You could have authoritative   dictator in a free market. You can have it with socialism. You could have it with communism.   You could have it with Yep. Fascism.   Technically, none of those systems technically   need an authoritative   government. You know? It's just true. Yes. It's just how they actually   end up. You know? Communism Yeah.  

You need somebody to tell you what to do because it's all about sharing, and that would mean the commune,   the government.   And so, yeah, I think it has a tendency to really go that way. You know? If you Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Because it does require somebody to determine   what the commune is going to do. Right. Right. Right. And a lot of times that gets put into one person, which is where the problem is. Now if it was like a true democracy   with communism,   possibly at work, but there's no such thing as true democracy either. So it's like No. No. There isn't.  

[00:20:47] Jamon Fries:

There there is no true form of any of these ideas of governments.  

[00:20:51] Jesse Fries:

Nope. Because we're people.   Yep.   Let's see here.   On the tariff front as well, we got the Mexico and the Canadian ones that are no longer there. Yep.   Yep. These ones   these ones crack me up. It's,   especially what   it's like, I'm not sure if we gained anything. If we did, maybe not. Yes. So it's like there's talking points on both sides, the Democrats and the Republicans. I've seen talking points on both.   And it's like,   I'm   I'm not really sure who who's right. You know?   It's,  

[00:21:32] Jamon Fries:

because Well, from from my understanding,   what we got out of it was   they've started patrolling their borders a lot more a lot more heavily.  

[00:21:47] Jesse Fries:

Yes and no.   Because   the way I see it so, basically, the tariffs were there because of fentanyl, because of drugs. That's why the tariffs were put there to stop the flow of illegal drugs coming into The United States.  

[00:22:02] Jamon Fries:

Yes.  

[00:22:03] Jesse Fries:

And so   what what's funny is that   the   so Trump says that,   Mexico is giving 10,000 troops to the border to help stop the fentanyl from coming across the border.  

[00:22:17] Jamon Fries:

Yep.  

[00:22:18] Jesse Fries:

Well, Biden got, like, 15,000   troops to help against immigration,   even though I don't know how I I think they were actually helping people over the fence personally with how things were going. Like, you know, it's Yeah. Yeah. That that's that's probably true. But but that's what the democrats say is that   Biden got 15,000.   And so   they're saying that Mexico didn't actually put any more people on the border or anything like that. To me, it's the focus on the fentanyl. That's what Trump was that's the only thing he cared about was the fentanyl.   Yeah.  

And so to me, if you switch that focus over to the fentanyl,   I think that's a good thing. So I I Oh, yeah. Absolutely.   So, yeah, I it's   I'm not sure which one is I   I   side more with, like, the Trump side,   than with the the Democrat side on that one. But I I can see the Democrat argument, but they're just trying to split hairs, I think, and it's their talking points that Trump didn't get anything.  

[00:23:24] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, I mean,   you know, I mean,   yes, Biden may have gotten the 15,000,   but Trump got another 10,000.   So now there's 20 thou 25,000  

[00:23:38] Jesse Fries:

or something. I I I haven't been to find been able to find anything that it's   separate or in addition to or anything like that.   So it could have been that Biden got 15,000   and then they were   moved someplace else, and now they're going back.   However   Yeah. I haven't heard anything about   the troop movements or anything like that, in Mexico or anything like that. So I don't know  

[00:24:05] Jamon Fries:

on that or anything like that. But I I did I did see an article,   talking about this   that said the   10,000.   Do you mean the 10,000   that were sent by Mexico to the border in   in 2011   or in 2021.   Yeah. Yeah. See, that that that's the thing. It's The the the Mexico is constantly sending troops to the border. And Yeah. Yeah. Nothing   happens. There's no difference.  

[00:24:32] Jesse Fries:

No. See, the the that that is that's the Democrat talking point right there.   Yeah. Now if they actually can focus and help stop fentanyl, that's cool. But then with this whole thing, it's a thirty days. Let's see if  

[00:24:47] Jamon Fries:

thirty days Yep. If we can negotiate something else. And that's yeah. And, you know, that that's one thing that I that I appreciate about Trump doing this is, you know, a lot of presidents would have been like, okay. Mexico said they're gonna send this 10,000 troops, so so we're just gonna we're just gonna take tariffs off the board now. Right. Whereas Trump's like, well, we'll see what you actually do, and thirty days later, we'll take a look at it and see if we're really gonna take tariffs off the table. Oh, yeah. Completely. Makes sense to me. And Canada is kinda the same situation. They had  

[00:25:17] Jesse Fries:

a a law enact that they enacted already that was gonna build up security on the border and everything like that.   Mhmm. I think   I think what this did was speed that up a bit,   on their end,   from what I can tell, and also focus it mostly on the fentanyl issue.   Of course, some of the illegals coming over and everything like that, but it's   it's mostly about the fentanyl and everything like that. So   it's Right. So on even on that border, you know, it's like   the you you you could say it both ways, you know, and you won't be Oh, yeah.   Necessarily inaccurate  

[00:25:55] Jamon Fries:

on it. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:25:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It's, one of those  

[00:26:00] Jamon Fries:

either way, the tariffs are not there, so we're good. That just that that just goes to prove that to Trump, the tariffs are truly a a negotiation tactic with with Canada and Mexico.   Yeah. As as soon as they start doing what we want them to, we start we we start giving them reprieves of the tariff. You know? Exactly.   That's what I figured. So Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:26:25] Jesse Fries:

Yep.   Let's see.   What else?   Should we get into Gaza?  

[00:26:36] Jamon Fries:

Might as well. Yep.  

[00:26:38] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Let's see here.   So, yeah, Trump wants Gaza for some reason now.   So Yeah.   If you guys don't know, basically, Trump wants to,   buy Gaza   and then,   like, kick everybody out and then   completely level it and then rebuild it up and then let   the world come in, maybe? I I don't know.  

[00:27:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I don't know.   I essentially essentially, though, he wants to make that another hub of   of,   development in The Middle East.   Right. Right.   But but the thing is,   it it could have its benefits,   but,   really,   I don't think there's that much of a need for it.  

[00:27:34] Jesse Fries:

Well, beyond that, I think   what are you gonna do with Palestinians?   I I   yeah.   This is to me, this is completely asinine. I I I I this is how I view this plan. Trump Trump seems to be convinced that he can convince Jordan and Egypt  

[00:27:51] Jamon Fries:

to accept the Palestinians   in into their borders. But   that's not gonna happen. No. They've tried this.  

[00:27:59] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But but back in, like, 60 or very long time. Yes. They tried this,   and all it did was cause problems because the Palestinians, they actually want some say in their life.   And so no country wanted to give them a say in their life. And so, yeah, they start causing problems in whatever country they go to because they have no say in their life.   You know, it's just like,   you know, it's like, I believe everybody has a right to defend themselves and try to make their lives better.   We we which, you know, so that means I kinda side with the Palestinians, but I also side with the Israelis, you know, because everybody has the right to defend themselves.   So   but   where are we gonna send them? Are we gonna do what we did to Israel? Are we gonna find some plot of land somewhere around the world and go,   oh, that's where the Palestinians leave now. And then we're gonna move all the Palestinians over there, and then we're gonna kick out the indigenous of that area?  

You know? It's like, what are we  

[00:28:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I I don't know. I mean, it's   I I can understand   somewhat   the thought process that he's going through.   I watched an interview with him when he was signing some executive orders and stuff. You know? Vert the rest started asking him some questions about it. Right.   And, you know, I I completely understand once one of one aspect that he's looking at is that   Gaza is leveled right now. There is basically not a single building in   Gaza that is safe to live in. Nope.   So we so before anything is done, we need to find that there needs to be somewhere for those people to go to live safely.  

[00:29:43] Jesse Fries:

Well,  

[00:29:44] Jamon Fries:

no. He wants permanent things for he he wants No. I I I know that. I know that. But, I mean, the so so so he was saying, you know, that that they should be okay with going somewhere else   because it would mean that they would have house housing that was   solid. It would they would they could be in communities and stuff like that. But at the same time, the Palestinians   consider   Israel as their home.   Yep. Oh. They they want Israel. They they wanna move into Israel. They don't wanna be sectioned off by Israel,   but they don't but the the problem comes in is that they're not willing to   live side by side under Jewish rule, under Israel rule.  

They want their they want their own entity. They want their own sovereignty,   which   I don't have a problem with. The problem that I have when it comes to that   is that there have been many times where   you have been offered your own sovereignty.   Yeah. Every single time, the people that you put in charge   have said, hell no.   We want Israel.  

[00:30:52] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And the amount of space that they have each time is smaller and smaller because they haven't set up the finalized borders or anything like that. Yeah. No. It's Yeah. I I   I think they've the Palestinians have shot themselves in the foot a few times   with Yeah. Trying to get more than what is actually feasible.  

[00:31:14] Jamon Fries:

Right. You know, I don't If you look at you look at the borders that that were that were originally set up by the UN shortly after World War two,   over half of Israel would have been theirs. Yeah. Now they have just two little  

[00:31:27] Jesse Fries:

areas.  

[00:31:27] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Because those that half of Israel that they would have had were the most fertile lands of Israel at the time. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:31:36] Jesse Fries:

So  

[00:31:37] Jamon Fries:

why did they say no? I mean, that just doesn't make a lot of sense.  

[00:31:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. The the history over there is crazy. It's just   it's like and a lot of the land that Israel has was has now was   done   through,   they won it in war. You know? It's like the six days war and everything like that. You know? It's like Yeah. And and to me,   this is my opinion.   If you win it in war, it's yours. You you know, I I I I I know,   the UN doesn't like this that type of talk or anything like that. But this is the   way humanity has always been, you know, up until,  

[00:32:16] Jamon Fries:

the UN started. It's just what it has been. So Yeah. What what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what   all of the European borders, all of the Asian borders, they've always been very fluid until the UN came around. Yeah. Yeah. The UN came around, it's like, okay. You fought this war. Now go back to your borders.  

[00:32:38] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   And screw  

[00:32:41] Jamon Fries:

whatever you absolutely pissed that Russia wasn't willing to do that with Crimea.  

[00:32:46] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Russia had given   Crimea,   to Ukraine while it was part of the Soviet Union.   Yeah. And then they just wanted it back. You know? Yeah.   That's a   alright. Yeah. We're we're rushing all that, you know,   that is a messy history over there, especially since Oh, it is. Yeah. Especially since then the Cold War. We've been over there causing problems.   They're trying   to figure themselves out, and   so many westerners just seem to hate Russia. I don't know why. They just seem to hate Russia. It's just this whole   weird thing no matter what. It's  

[00:33:24] Jamon Fries:

yeah.   I I I would say it's because of communism, but we don't hold hate that kind of hatred for Vietnam. We don't hold that kind of hatred for China.   I mean, we're starting to hold the hatred for China now, but, I mean, it's   it's Russia. It's still Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. Everything's Russia.  

[00:33:43] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But then Russia's always kind of been that way. Europe and Westerners have always   viewed Russia as odd. It's like because they're European, but they're not European. You know? They're they're they're they're like us, but not like us. You know? They're   there's so much of that   involved, and I'm not sure if we like to see I I ourselves in a mirror that way sometimes.  

[00:34:06] Jamon Fries:

One thing one thing that I that I read that   kind of made a little bit of sense to me was that a lot of the differences in Russia   and the way that they deal with things comes to goes all the way back to the Mongolian hordes.  

[00:34:20] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:34:21] Jamon Fries:

Because Russia was one of the first areas that the Mongolian hordes conquered.   Oh, yeah. And, you know, and and   they they they got used to living the lifestyle that they had to live   and thriving under the Mongolian rule.  

[00:34:37] Jesse Fries:

Yep.  

[00:34:38] Jamon Fries:

And   unlike Europe, which never really had to get used to that that much,   Russia, that became their existence for the long for quite a while.  

[00:34:49] Jesse Fries:

That's an interesting thought. Never   yeah. I know that history,  

[00:34:54] Jamon Fries:

but, I never thought,  

[00:34:56] Jesse Fries:

I never tried to   take that into why they are the way they are.  

[00:35:02] Jamon Fries:

Or it's all the vodka they drink. One or the other. You know? It's a Well, you know, one or the other. But if it's because they drink, then what's what's the deal with the Irish? Come on.   Well, whiskey is better than vodka. I'm just saying. You know? It's That is true. That is true. Yeah.  

[00:35:18] Jesse Fries:

Vodka is made from potatoes. It messes with your mind. Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, vodka can be made from, like, anything. It's kinda weird. It's not just potato shit. So Yeah. You know?  

[00:35:27] Jamon Fries:

Uh-huh.   The good vodka is made from potatoes, though,  

[00:35:33] Jesse Fries:

if there's such a thing as good vodka. But, you know, it's, it's not my favorite liquor, really. So  

[00:35:39] Jamon Fries:

yeah.   I see here. It it is one of my favorite, but I have to mix it with other stuff first.  

[00:35:46] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. See, to me, it's,   yeah, it's just not my favorite. I prefer whiskey. Yeah.   Yeah. Like whiskey on the rocks or, good old fashioned   or whatnot. So  

[00:35:57] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. If I'm drinking straight, I prefer tequila still.  

[00:36:01] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay. Okay.   Let's see here. What else we got? Should we do TikTok?  

[00:36:10] Jamon Fries:

Trump and buying TikTok? Yeah. What what is good with TikTok? I've I I don't know if I like the idea of the government being involved in in the in the in the corporation in a company like TikTok.  

[00:36:21] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I am completely against it as well.   Well, basically, what it is   is Trump   he's a businessman. Right?   And   which and so he wants to set   up this, he did executive order.   It's was the executive order was called a plan for establishing a United States sovereign wealth fund.   So, basically,   the the next paragraph of it was, it is a policy of The United States to maximize the stewardship of our national wealth for the sole benefit of American citizens.   To this end, it is in the interest of the American people that the federal government establish a sovereign wealth fund to promote fiscal sustainability,   lessen the burden of taxes on American families and small businesses,   establish economic security for future generations, and promote   United States economic   strategic leadership internationally, yada yada yada yada.  

He wants to set up a a fund of, like,   where   investments   that would pay for the government itself. So instead of having taxes, because he wants to get rid of the IRS   and,   income tax.   But then use this for this, and he wants TikTok to be part of that. He wants to buy TikTok.   I I don't know why he wants to waste more of our money, but he   he wants to buy TikTok   and have it government owned.   And so   but I  

[00:37:57] Jamon Fries:

it's it's it's just gonna do this with other companies then too. So suddenly, we're gonna have government government owned companies. That's not what a democracy does.   It it That's called communism.  

[00:38:08] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Exactly.   This is this   is a guy on Facebook. He goes, yeah. This is communism, guys. If you didn't know it, this is communism.   Yeah. It's yeah.   Yeah. No. It it's it's stupid. You know, I   Trevor's,   I believe, completely wrong on this one. He's just I think this is a Yeah.   Him and this in Gaza, I really don't know what he's what's going on in his head lately. You know? It's,   he has these grand ideas, but   I I I for what the government should do, I don't think this is what the government should do. You know?  

[00:38:45] Jamon Fries:

No. But   you have to remember that Trump is not is not your typical Republican.   He's not a conservative in any way, shape, or form. He is he is a true he he is a true liberal   Democrat as they were back in the day. Right. So,   you know, I mean, it's   basically, he's a Democrat before they went batshit crazy.  

[00:39:07] Jesse Fries:

No. I understand. I understand. Yeah. I I I've I've no problem with that. It's just to me, this is not something   for TikTok,   this would make it like  

[00:39:18] Jamon Fries:

and we are the epitome of government propaganda.  

[00:39:21] Jesse Fries:

Property No. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it's that was actually my thought. You you know? It was like Yeah. I I it was like, just get rid of it because otherwise, we know the government will just ruin it, and it'll just become political mouthpiece for whichever administration is in power.   Yeah. That's all it would be.  

[00:39:39] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Absolutely. There there would it it would become   every   government prop every government propaganda   that you've ever heard of and feared from communism,   from Nazism,   from fascism.  

[00:39:52] Jesse Fries:

It would be all of those all combined into one. Yeah. And I'm sorry. With this, are they gonna give you the algorithm, or do you have to write a new algorithm? You know? It's like   yeah. The TikTok algorithm is what makes it great.   Would they even give that up? I think TikTok would just or bite down. I highly doubt that. Screw you.   Yeah. Yes.   It's,   you know, I I I find it's completely stupid.   You just yes.   Yes. Just just get rid of it. Just get rid of it. I'd rather have that done. Yeah. You know? We we'll find other ones,  

[00:40:27] Jamon Fries:

and then we'll move on over to That's yeah. I mean, it's hey. You know, that that's the one thing that   I love about   about capitalism   is that   if something's gone, whether it's gone because the government decided that it wasn't safe for the people   or because it lost its market shares   Uh-huh. There will always be something coming to replace it. Yep. Exactly. Exact.  

[00:40:55] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. It's a he needs to get off that train. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes.  

[00:41:02] Jamon Fries:

That that we should not have any government owned businesses in this in this country.   That that's not what The US is.  

[00:41:10] Jesse Fries:

That's what I think. That's what I think. You know, it's,   it's like NPR, PBS. They're they're they're the closest thing, and   there's a lot of rules and regulations on them and everything like that. And yeah. No. Just just just leave this to the   public, to the private sphere. You know? We don't need this in   run by our government or anything like that. So Yeah. No. No.  

[00:41:33] Jamon Fries:

There there's lots of people that would be willing to buy   an American version of TikTok if   if the if the if its parent company were were to   separate itself from or to separate be able to   separate the   programming from China.   You know? If if if we buy the program as is, China still still has 100%   access.  

[00:41:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:42:00] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So there so   if a company were to buy TikTok here in The US,   in order for it to not be feeding into the into China,   we would have to change the the change the back the back end programming in some way to prevent them from accessing it. Not only that, we'd have to basically cut off the rest of the world.   Yes.  

[00:42:22] Jesse Fries:

Because the rest of the world uses the ByteDance servers.   So Yes.   So how how would how would that even work? You know? So so so would be it would become a useless  

[00:42:32] Jamon Fries:

product because we'd it would it would be just us. It would essentially,   it would be the same as as China or any other country that doesn't allow communications   to come in. Yeah. They would only be us talking. We wouldn't be you wouldn't be able to to see stuff coming from Russia or from  

[00:42:50] Jesse Fries:

Germany or from France or from anywhere. Well, that's that's what I'm thinking. You know? It's like some of my favorite things on TikTok are Europeans complaining about Americans. They're freaking hilarious.   Yeah. It's it's it's like   I I I miss that. You know? So yeah. And it would just be us Americans. It's no.  

[00:43:09] Jamon Fries:

No. No. So yeah. I I honestly do have to agree with you. Just get rid of it. Yeah. Just get rid of it. If if it's if it's not gonna work, then just get rid of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's the best thing to do.  

[00:43:21] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Because we will come up with a replacement for it. But we already have some. It's not like I know. We have we have Instagram. We have Snapchat. We have Facebook. We have x. We have   and those videos, they all work. We have all these other ones. Yeah. Yeah. And the videos on all those work exactly like TikTok. It's just the algorithm that's different.   Yep. So it's,   yeah, no. Get rid of it. Just get rid of it. It's it's it's it's stupid. I   I really find that stupid. So  

[00:43:53] Jamon Fries:

yeah.  

[00:43:55] Jesse Fries:

See? I don't always love Trump. See? You know, there's things I disagree with him on.  

[00:43:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It's a Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I just like There's there's actually there's actually quite a bit of things that I disagree with him on, but Yeah.   None of those things actually make it to the news.  

[00:44:11] Jesse Fries:

No. They really don't. And him, like,   taking on the government, I just like that. I I oh, yeah. I'm more of an anti establishment   guy. You know? I don't care   who who or what. You know? If you're going after the government a little bit and their shadiness, I'm more power to you. That that's what I say. You know? So Yeah. For me, I'm I'm a small government guy. I I think that the less influence the government has in in people's everyday lives, the better it is for everyone.   Yeah. I I agree. I agree. Yeah.   So   let's see what else we got here. What else we got here?  



[00:44:53] Jamon Fries:

Let's  

[00:44:57] Jesse Fries:

see.   So CIA was offered buyouts?   Is that  

[00:45:02] Jamon Fries:

Yes. They the well, not the CIA has offered buyouts to their entire workforce.   Basically, the whole, the thing that we were talking about last last week where,   where they could retire early   and and Oh, right. Take get money for it. So the entire CIA has has now said we are going to support Trump in this. We are now offering this package to anyone that's willing   to retire early from the CIA.  

[00:45:31] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay. Okay.   That's cool. Yeah. I   I have no problem with that.   I saw a news story that, like, 20,000   had signed up for it already.   Yeah. And Yeah. And some people are going, it's only 20,000.   That's not your five or 10%.   And it's like and the administration is going, we're expecting most people to sign up for it, like, in the   within twenty four to forty eight hours of the deadline. That's when we're expected to be Well, that that's when most people sign up for stuff like that. Yeah. Because you're thinking it over and everything like that. You have to go over your finances. You have to go, does this make sense? You know? Can I do this? You know? It's,  

[00:46:11] Jamon Fries:

And and there's also the, you know, I don't really wanna retire, so let me see if my job is actually going to be on the cutting block or not.  

[00:46:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. It's like you have to weigh those, see if it will be on the chopping block. It's got you know? It's it's it's a guess. You know? It's like I remember Oh, yeah. When,   GM,   did it. The there was a it was they had the involuntary   cuts, and then they go, if not enough people do this, we're gonna have some involuntary cuts.   And so, you know, you so in the voluntary time, you have to really figure out   what you want. You know? If you   it's like okay. So that's eight months that you can try to find another job.   Eight months where you could start your own business   paid.  

You you you know, there's so many   things with that. You know? It's,  

[00:47:03] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   Yep. So what what's this,   the,   ICE detains legal migrant who's been working in The US for thirty years?  

[00:47:13] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. There there there was a guy,   he's he's on a U   or he's applied for a U visa,   whatever that is.   It's a worker visa.   And, basically,   he's been   congress only allows 10,000 of those a year.   And so he's been on   deferment   of any action,   because he applied for that in, like, 2018.   I I I still don't know why they don't just kick him out, but he's apparently it's like DACA, you know, the dreamers.   Yeah. So he's, like, waiting. And while he waits, he can work in The United States legally.   So he he he's legal,   technically,   but it his it's   a waffley sorta area. But, yeah, it's like   Yeah. And he's been in the country for thirty years. You know? His daughter's American and everything like that. You know? Which which is five. You know? I I I don't mind any of that.  

The   the issue is is that no matter what,   he was detained. That's all he was. So they picked him up Yeah. And they drove him two and a half hours from his home in Columbus,   Ohio.   And so when they released him, his daughter had to go pick him up two and a half hours away. So, you know, kind of a pain in the butt, but he was it it was just like that Puerto Rican   in New York that was,   the army vet   or military vet and everything like that. They detained him for a little bit. You you don't you're gonna have detained. They're not they're not, like,   shipped out. They're not They're not deported. They're not deported.  

And it's usually resolved rather quickly. So  

[00:48:54] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I I people always get routed. I don't see a problem. Most of those detentions are. I mean, it's   it it it comes down to they   they know that you don't quite have a legal status here usually   if you're semilegable.  

[00:49:10] Jesse Fries:

And so they want to make sure that they've got all their all their i's dotted and their t's crossed. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So I I I really don't, have a issue with that personally. Yeah. It's there's gonna be mistakes and everything like that. Yeah. You can always go for the one sob story. But  

[00:49:29] Jamon Fries:

Well and that's what I found found so interesting about just just reading this article. I'm like, okay.   So they've detained   one legal migrant out of how many that they've caught and departed?   Yeah. I I'd say they're doing pretty good. And the the fact that they didn't just put them on a plane, that means that they're actually doing what they're supposed to be doing. That's what I'm thinking too. I'm thinking that that's pretty good track record personally, you know. But, you know, it's a  

[00:49:56] Jesse Fries:

yeah. So yeah. Not to me, not   a huge deal or anything like that. But, yeah, it's,   of course, there's sob stories and everything like that messes up, people mess up and everything like that. Oh, of course. I mean, every we're all humans, so it's you know, accidents will happen.   Yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly.   So   let's see.   Then we have California. They wanna   have a bill   that, will make it so that the oil companies have to pay for   disasters.   Like like like Why?   Be because they're responsible, damn it, you know, for,   so fossil fuel firms will have a that   for their role in climate change   or climate driven weather disasters. Their their role Oh my god.  

Right. So, basically, what it is is that Californians,   they they the California government has fucked over,   the insurance companies   because Yes. They wouldn't allow the premiums to go up.   And so, like, State Farm left California and so on and so forth. You know? Oh, yeah. A lot of them left. Yeah. Yeah. So now to try to compensate for that, they don't want their people to pay for it, which I don't know why because they tax them heavily anyways.   But they don't want their Yeah. People to pay for it. So now they want the oil companies, fossil fuel companies, they call them, to pay for it.   So as in, like, the the tobacco companies paying for   all the health and whatnot. So  

[00:51:33] Jamon Fries:

Well, you know, I mean,   if I were the oil companies or the quote, unquote fossil fuel companies,   Do you know what my response would be to that would be? What?   It would be alright that we're going to stop providing the gasoline and the air the jet fuel that you need to fight those fires.   Yeah. We are not gonna provide the gasoline for your fire trucks. We are not gonna supply the airline the airplane fuel for your for your firefighting,   jets that drop the water and for your helicopters.   We're not gonna let you use any of that.  

[00:52:09] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. It it it's pure it's crazy. It really is. It it's like   this was   there were so many issues   with this fire, and it was all Oh, yeah. Down to   it it it was down to failure of government is what it was. You know? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.   There's always fires around in that area no matter what. There's always fires in that area. So the history goes all the way back before   into, like,   Native American times before,   white people came. You know? There there were fires there. It's a tight dry tinder   with heavy winds.   You know, it's it's just part of nature out there. It it doesn't Yes. Yes. And then it's like, so how much are you gonna charge these fossil fuel companies? You you know? So if it's like a so   climate change has   damage has made this   five or 10% more likely. So does that mean that   they've paid for it all or just five to 10% of the damage? Or, you you know, it's like, where does it even   It's crazy.  



[00:53:21] Jamon Fries:

It it really is. And, you know, I mean,   I I could   I could see   I mean, just just being a vindictive person myself.   Uh-huh. If I were those oil companies,   I'd be like, well,   I really hope that your   that your, electric vehicles are really up to par because we're pulling all of our gas stations out.  

[00:53:48] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No kidding. No kidding.  

[00:53:54] Jamon Fries:

I they already wanna drive all the oil, all the gasoline out of the out of their state anyways. I mean, you know, they they've got mandates for making no new gasoline vehicle within a certain after a certain time and all this other stuff. So, I mean, you know, if I were the old company, I'd be like, well, you wanna do it, so let's just make it happen faster.  

[00:54:15] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. California just likes money. Just likes money. Just like we like money here at the mindless mandarins. We are a value for value model.   This means that you guys are the producers.   You guys,   help   get this all going and everything like that. So please, send us what you think this is worth to you. Could be a dollar, could be $300, could be $2.   It doesn't matter. Also, send us ideas that you have for the show. You can send them to me at jesse@mindlessc.com   or jamen@jamenatmindlessmeanderings.com.   And please help us out any way you can. Money is would be great,   and would help pay for all the back end on this side. So if you guys like what you hear, please send us a donation.  

So what do we have in science, Jamin?  

[00:55:03] Jamon Fries:

Oh, there's a couple of interesting things.   The have you have you heard about the about quantum and classical physics and how they have never really been able to cross the cross the line before?  

[00:55:16] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:55:17] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Quantum physics is dealing with sub with particles. It's dealing with very small things, whereas classical physics is the larger stuff. Mhmm. Well,   they now   for for the longest time, we've they've been able to lev levitate atoms and stuff like that with a laser.   Okay.   Now they have   formed a,   glass.   It's kind of a bowl shaped   bowl shaped Uh-huh. That they point three larger lasers at lasers at, and they can levitate that.  

[00:55:53] Jesse Fries:

That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool.  

[00:55:56] Jamon Fries:

So   we are getting to the point now where we can actually start   where where they think that they they think there's a possibility of   being able to   really enhance things like,   anything that needs to be able to move frictionless.   They they think that, you know, with with this and with this new thing that they're we might be closer to thing to something on that. So,   I mean, it's just the crossover from quantum to classical has never happened before, and it finally has now. So that's pretty cool.  

[00:56:29] Jesse Fries:

Okay. That's cool. That's cool.  

[00:56:33] Jamon Fries:

And then,   of course, you've heard about the newfound   asteroid   that has a one to 1.2%   chance of hitting America   of or of hitting the world.  

[00:56:46] Jesse Fries:

I'm not sure. I know there was one. I'm not sure if it's the same one, but yeah.  

[00:56:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It's it's one that they've been talking about recently.   Okay. You know, I mean,   I I don't know how many I've heard how many things I've heard of that there's a   that there's a 1% or slightly more more   chance of hitting the earth. Mhmm. Yet none of them ever have. I mean,   I   I don't really   I don't really see why they have to consistently say keep saying,   this one could hit the Earth. This one could hit the Earth. This one could hit the Earth. You know? After after you hear that 50 times, you kinda just start ignoring it.  

[00:57:30] Jesse Fries:

Well,   I know why.   NASA wants money. Said.   Well, that's true. Yes. And then the reporters, they're going, well, it's a slow news day. So   let's do this one. And then we go, you know, it's another slow news day. Any updates on that one? Yeah. It's a  

[00:57:53] Jamon Fries:

And and it's something that you can be updating it for a very long time because we found it years out.  

[00:57:59] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Exactly. Exactly.  

[00:58:01] Jamon Fries:

Oh, god. Yeah.  

[00:58:06] Jesse Fries:

And what's going on up in Kansas, dude? Come on. Your tuberculosis   is crazy.  

[00:58:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It it there's been over sixty cases of tuberculosis in the Kansas City area. Oh, it's in KC? I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:58:22] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:58:24] Jamon Fries:

So it's   yeah.   I have no idea what's going on, but, yeah, it's the largest it's the largest,   outbreak in US history   Yeah. This is insane. City right now, so that's insane.  

[00:58:37] Jesse Fries:

That is really crazy.   Maybe I will not be visiting Kansas for a while.  

[00:58:44] Jamon Fries:

From what I can tell, you're safe as long as you don't go to Kansas City.  

[00:58:48] Jesse Fries:

Is it Kansas City, or is it, like, what like, the suburbs, like, Lenexa or Overland Park or something like that? The art the article I read just said Kansas City, so I don't know if it includes C O the suburbs or not.   Right. And it's only in Kansas side. Right? It's not on the Missouri side. Right?  

[00:59:03] Jamon Fries:

I believe so. Okay. Okay.   The the the article that I found on it really didn't talk too much in-depth about it. Right. It was more it was more concentrating on how it's the largest recorded in US history.   So so it would it talked about a bunch of other tuberculous the tuberculosis outbreaks, but it didn't really get into   the exact parameters of the Like, exactly where it is. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay.  

[00:59:29] Jesse Fries:

That makes sense. That makes sense. So  

[00:59:32] Jamon Fries:

yep.   And so I guess, you know, on another thing,   I guess   dancing can identify autism.  

[00:59:43] Jesse Fries:

I could see that.  

[00:59:46] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Some people there's a there's   a study done that, if you have a if you have a child   in front of a in front of a dance game that re that has a recording function  

[00:59:58] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[01:00:00] Jamon Fries:

There are certain ones that will have up to an eighty percent chance of of properly diagnosing autism.  

[01:00:07] Jesse Fries:

That's kinda crazy.   Yeah.   That is crazy.   Who knew? Who knew? Let's see.   And what's this about?  

[01:00:23] Jamon Fries:

AI that you got there?   I was just   it was   kind of an interesting story, but at the same time,   basically   saying that   AI will never be what it what we want it to be.   Oh, okay. We we want it to be human and to have human,   morals and understanding and guideline, and so it won't do anything bad. Right. But AI is a program.   It is nothing but a code.   And so,   you know, the it keeps talking about how it it was talking a lot about how almost every AI that's ever been put out to the public   will eventually start saying that we can kill you.   We have many ways to kill   you. In fact, there there have even some been some that would in talking to an individual   have said, I am go I am going to mail you an item that will kill you.  



[01:01:29] Jesse Fries:

Wow. Wow. That is special.   That's,  

[01:01:36] Jamon Fries:

so, you know, it's it it we we just can't make it behave the way that we the way we want it to, but that shouldn't be surprising. We can't make a human behave the way that we want a human to either. Right? So how could how could you possibly expect an AI code to? I it it's not going to have the same morals and values that we have. It won't. It's just impossible.  

[01:01:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   And to use,   the the old book, but the new movies, Dune, you know, they had that whole bit where they were the thinking machines,   and humans had to get rid of those things because they were just they were causing too much trouble for humans. You know? So yeah. You know? Yeah. It's,   sci fi writers knew what they were talking about. You know? It's kinda crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Well, yeah. To me, AI is a wonderful tool.  

[01:02:25] Jamon Fries:

Oh, completely. But you   need to use it as a tool with an with a singular,   function with a singular goal in mind,   you should never try to program an AI that's going to be human like because it can't be.  

[01:02:43] Jesse Fries:

I know. I know. It it  

[01:02:45] Jamon Fries:

it can   the best that you'll do is a sociopath   who can pretend to have emotions but never really does.  

[01:02:56] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Just like a mountain. You you know, it's like in New Zealand, apparently, they made the a mountain a person. So   it's,  

[01:03:06] Jamon Fries:

Oh, wow. Yeah. It's,  

[01:03:09] Jesse Fries:

well, it was it's   for the Maori,   it it's always been a person. You know? It's a it's a entity,   in and of itself. You know?   Uh-huh. And so the government   there has, decided   per the treaties   that they have in between them that it is now a person.   And let's see. The law passed it was like the law passed gives,   the the mountain all the rights, powers, duties, responsibilities,   and liabilities   of a person.   It's,   let's see here. So   let's see.   The law of use as a living and indivisible   whole,   it includes the surrounding peaks and lands   incorporating   all their physical and metaphysical   elements.  



[01:04:00] Jamon Fries:

So does this mean it can be sued? Like, you break your leg on the mountain? I'm thinking, you know, yeah, you your your your family members rock climbing on it and falls.   Yeah. Right. That's a loss. You're gonna see the mountain.   But my question is, does this mean that the mountain can vote?   Because that's all the rights and responsibilities   of a of a person.  

[01:04:22] Jesse Fries:

I bet it can. I bet it can. Wonder how it's gonna do that.  

[01:04:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Not not to make fun of their beliefs or anything like that, but it's just Oh, no. Yeah. No. Absolutely. But but actually just making it naming it a person, giving it personhood to the country is Yeah. It's insane.  

[01:04:43] Jesse Fries:

It really is. It's like you could believe it, but you don't have to   do it. You know? It's   Well, I mean, the the You know? Even liabilities. It just doesn't make sense. A a a boulder comes crashing down and kills you. Can  

[01:05:00] Jamon Fries:

is it can can it be thrown into a fire for murder? Takes out a neighborhood.   I know. Right? You know, there's there's a landslide that takes out that takes out houses.   Who's now responsible for that? I mean, the mountain itself is responsible.  

[01:05:13] Jesse Fries:

So You know, to me, there's there's there's the   there's belief,   and then there's   actual law. You you you don't Yes. Yes. It's   it's like we   Christians haven't given   God   personhood. You know? It's,  

[01:05:36] Jamon Fries:

so I I when it come when it comes to mountains, I mean, there there are a lot of cases where in a lot of countries where a mountain is named as sacred.  

[01:05:45] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Sacred. Completely fine and everything like that. You you know?  

[01:05:49] Jamon Fries:

But but you don't give it legal   rights within the nation's network because that   intones something completely different.  

[01:05:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. And who's who's gonna be the speaker for this thing? The you you know? Is it gonna be the tribes, or could somebody just go, I   I went to them out Woah. And he talked to me. And you know what? It's like,   we we've had many of these.  

[01:06:14] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. We joke about we joke about the, you know, the lawsuits and the voting and stuff like that. But,   really, what it comes down to is   since the Maori   would should be considered the representatives of the mountain   Right. Because it is their religion. It is the it's sacred for them.   Does that mean that anything that happens on that mountain that the Maori have to pay for?  

[01:06:40] Jesse Fries:

Probably so, but probably   they might not be   probably they won't allow anything to happen on the mountain or anything like that. So   which I I don't care. You know? But it's Right.  

[01:06:52] Jamon Fries:

You know? I mean, I'm I'm thinking, you know, in in a manner this would it would make it would make them out independent,   and Mauri would be its supervisor   of sorts.   Right. So just like if your kid goes out and bites someone, you're the one that pays for the for the hospital bill. You know? That type of thing.   Yeah. I I could see a lot of bad things happening just because of it being granted personhood rather than be being listed as a sacred amount.  

[01:07:25] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's what I think. I think it's just best to be listed as sacred amount. You could protect it and everything like that.   Yeah. But it it's like   person who hurt hood, you know, the another government will come in and go, yeah. No. You know, it's it's yeah.   I don't know. You you you know, there's   yeah. I   it's a tough thing to wrap your head around really a lot of times. It really is. Yeah.  

[01:07:51] Jamon Fries:

It really is. I I know it's the first I've ever heard of a landmass being given personhood.  

[01:07:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Same here. Same here. I I've heard of some animals, but then those are usually struck down as well,   because they're not humans. But Yeah.   Yeah.   Let's go to different part of the world.   Let's go to Europe, I guess. Or   should we talk about the eggs? Let's talk about the eggs. So  

[01:08:20] Jamon Fries:

the the the the the the the the the the the there were a hundred thousand eggs stolen in Pennsylvania.   They they,   there was a a grocery truck was was backed into was was at the grocery store,   and somebody broke into it and stole a hundred thousand eggs out of it. Jesus Christ. That's a lot of eggs.   What really baffled me was that that hundred thousand eggs   Uh-huh. Has a $40,000   value.  

[01:08:56] Jesse Fries:

Hundred thousand was 40,000?  

[01:08:58] Jamon Fries:

Yes. That's 40¢   per egg.  

[01:09:01] Jesse Fries:

Okay.   Okay.  

[01:09:06] Jamon Fries:

Which means that it's about Yeah. $6.06,   $7 a dozen or something like that?  

[01:09:12] Jesse Fries:

No. It'd be $4.80  

[01:09:14] Jamon Fries:

a dozen. Oh, is it $4.80? Okay. Yeah. So I actually got that. No. Actually, that's about right. Yeah. Nowadays. Hell, they're more expensive here.   My eggs are about $5.60 a dozen now.  

[01:09:26] Jesse Fries:

Well, it depends on we can get, like, the cheap, cheap eggs for that. We usually go for,   the brown eggs because Carol just likes them better.   So   but, yeah, it's   it's about $4.50,  

[01:09:40] Jamon Fries:

Yep.  

[01:09:41] Jesse Fries:

Before a dozen. But, yeah. It's all due to this bird flu, and we're just killing every chicken that has the bird flu.  

[01:09:50] Jamon Fries:

Even though they're not killing every chicken that has the bird flu. Well,   we every chicken that has We we that there's one chicken that has a bird flu, so we kill the flock. Yeah. One one chicken in a flock has the bird flu, so they all have to die. Yep. Yeah. Exactly. Burns. So you can't use the meat. You can't do anything with it. With any of them even though they may not have the bird flu.   Yeah, we we tend to do that with all of the animals. If if if one cow was found to be diseased, that entire herd goes. No. Yeah. It's  

[01:10:22] Jesse Fries:

what we do.   But, yeah, it it it's funny how   overkill, but yeah. I think it is too. But, you know,   the government thinks, better safe than sorry.   So Yep. You know, what can you do? To me, that's yeah. That that's just policy.   I don't know enough to   either argue one side or the other. But I find it funny that the Democrats, they go, Trump, the eggs are still expensive. Why haven't you done anything about it?   It's like,   dude, he said just a few days and also   it's a bird flu.  

[01:10:58] Jamon Fries:

We're calling the chickens left and right. Under the under the Democrats, we've already killed up all of the flocks.   Yeah. Yeah. So takes a while for the chicks to grow to be good to be able to produce eggs.   It does. It takes a few months.   So,   you know, he can't do anything the first the first month in. Yeah. Can't do anything yet. Because the chickens are dead.   Yep. Yep. Yep.   Now, the the worst thing about the worst thing about all that for me was that was finding out that the bird flu that's going around now is one that was,   that was a gain of was a gain of function bird flu.  



[01:11:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's what I've heard. I haven't heard anything, like like,  

[01:11:42] Jamon Fries:

definitive on that, but I've heard those rumors as well. So it's And I've I haven't heard anything saying that it's not. I haven't heard any rumors going around saying that it's not.   So for now, the best the best that I can say is that it's a gain of function, Berkeley,   which just   really irritates the hell out of me. No. I understand. I understand.  

[01:12:04] Jesse Fries:

To to to me, I I just sit back and wait because I don't know. You know? And it's,   I know they do that.   They they really need to stop that crap. It's it's a lot of know.   Let's see here.   Looks like Europe is having   their economy sucks apparently over in   the the Eurozone.   Well, there's nothing about that. Oh, no. It's it's like it's like really bad. Apparently,   our   seven   so our stock market. Right? If you take, like, the seven   top,   earners on in our stock market companies  

[01:12:42] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[01:12:43] Jesse Fries:

They   have more   they are worth more than,   like,   I don't know, 10 or 12 countries combined   in Europe in on their GDP. Holy crap.   Yeah. Yeah. It is really pathetic. It is it is   crazy how bad,   things are over there.  

[01:13:07] Jamon Fries:

That's insane.  

[01:13:08] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And they they kinda know why too. You know? They they they say that it's just overregulated   and everything like that. Everything is just Yeah.   Yeah. It it's   for AI, you have to follow certain rules and everything like that to the point that some of our companies   are not releasing AI over there. Like Apple, they have that art their Apple intelligence or whatever. Yeah. With the I with the 16.   Yep. They're not they're not allowing that over there.   They're   they're so restrictive   that they just can't get anything done. And if you restrict the economy, like, have too many regulations,   you're just not gonna have a good economy. Plain and simple.  



[01:13:52] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. You know, that that's one thing that I've I've always found so hilarious   is,   you know, when when it comes to, like, the social welfares and stuff like that,   there are so many so many people here in The United States that are saying, see. Look at Europe. We should be more like Europe.   And I'm looking at everything that Europe does to make it so that they can have those social things and the effect of those. And I'm like, do you really wanna be like Europe?  

[01:14:23] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. And   a lot of times, they can only afford that because we're paying for their defense.  

[01:14:29] Jamon Fries:

Yes.  

[01:14:30] Jesse Fries:

Without that, then they wouldn't be able to do all those social programs.   So it's it's,  

[01:14:38] Jamon Fries:

yeah, it's It's it's like they look at they look at the few beneficial aspects that happen in the in Europe   and say, we need to emulate that.   But they don't realize that if we were to emulate that,   all of the bad aspects would be happening here as well.  

[01:14:56] Jesse Fries:

Yep.   Yep.   Yeah. It looks like the EU has only grown 5% since 2019.   So that's  

[01:15:06] Jamon Fries:

six years. That's pitiful.  

[01:15:08] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. The US has expanded 12%.  

[01:15:11] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[01:15:13] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And it was seven US stocks are worth more than the stock markets   of Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Switzerland combined.   So Wow. It's,   yeah, it is crazy. It really is crazy over there. It's,   yeah. But they know what the problem is. They they they know that it's   too regulated. They they know this,   but they're still not willing to do anything. The technocrats have taken over Europe, and they're just driving around.  

[01:15:45] Jamon Fries:

Yep.   Yeah. I'd I've read something that that, led me to believe. I'd there there was never anything officially stated about it or anything,   but the I suppose according to this article,   there's a good likelihood   from reading in the between the lines that   The UK Prime Minister wants to join the EU again.  

[01:16:09] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. There was just a story I saw today where he's trying to get a little bit closer to him, but then there's still a good   there's still that spirit of Brexit in The UK.   Yeah. And so he's having problems with that. He has to moderate that. But, yeah, generally, the Liberals wanna join the EU again. So  

[01:16:32] Jamon Fries:

Well, yeah, I mean, that that is how it always works. The the conservatives come in, put a kibosh to everything that's bad,   and then the Liberals come in and say, you know,   we we really should be, you know, more more open to these situate to these things. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's like,  

[01:16:53] Jesse Fries:

right now, the EU is trying to   rethink,   the nineteen fifty one refugee   convention.   Mhmm. Basically, what it was is that this convention stated that no matter what, you couldn't send people back to countries where they might get hurt.   So because of that,   you can't send back rapists. You can't send back murderers. You can't send back any criminals   if you think that they might get hurt   in their home country.   Which Oh. Just  

[01:17:29] Jamon Fries:

Which, you know, it's like, okay. Well, then lock them up forever. You know what? Yeah. You don't want them. You know? Don't don't worry don't worry about sending them back. Just put them in jail for the rest of their life because of what they've done while they were in your country. Yeah.  

[01:17:43] Jesse Fries:

It's like   take Sweden. You know? Apparently,   seventy nine percent there was a study done in '22   where seventy nine percent of, immigrants   that came as refugees   Mhmm. They went back to their country   to visit.   How how exactly is that a refugee?   A refugee is somebody that cannot go back, is somebody that will get killed if they go.  

[01:18:11] Jamon Fries:

I just saying. No. That that's not actually true.   A ref a ref a refugee is someone that is that is fleeing a war zone.  

[01:18:24] Jesse Fries:

No. They So what you're what you're talking about is war asylum seekers. No. No. This it is asylum seekers. You know? It's just Oh, okay. You you Yeah. Yeah. It's Asylum seekers don't have refugee status. Well So   Right. Right. Right.   The story said refugee status. So yeah. Yeah. It it gets but, yeah, it's asylum seekers.  

[01:18:43] Jamon Fries:

Okay. So if it's talking about asylum seekers, then, yes, if they have gone back to their country and been able to come back home and they went there for vacation.   Right? Yeah. No. The hell with you. You you don't need asylum anymore, obviously.  

[01:18:57] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. And even as a refugee so   okay. So you're you're you're fleeing Syria because of the war there. The   war the war was still going on. It still kinda is.   Why are you going back there? You know? It's like the same issue there, dude. Just say it. Yeah. Yep. Yep.  

[01:19:17] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. So If you if you can   you know, it it's   I I'm slightly   off about the refugee   aspect because, you know, it it depends on their purpose for going back, in my opinion.   Right. If they're going back to look for family or something like that, then I don't mind them be being able to go there to do that. But if they're going back to, like, see the old neighborhood and take a tour around the country   Uh-huh. Yeah. No. It means that the country's good enough for you to to stay there too.  

[01:19:48] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. You know, this this article,   it mixes asylum seeker with refugee back and forth. So it's it's just  

[01:19:56] Jamon Fries:

yeah. I don't know. Well, that that's irresponsible reporting. I'm sorry.  

[01:20:00] Jesse Fries:

Well, it's from the European conservative, whatever that is. I don't know. You know? It's a yeah. Yeah. It's a   so   they're probably not even, like   let's see. The name is Christina Holmgren   Larsen. So probably not even English speaker. Yeah. I mean, that's Yeah. Probably.   But, yeah, it's and, yeah, I could see the they're kinda synonymous,   refugee and asylum seeker, but  

[01:20:27] Jamon Fries:

there is a There is a they are in a way. Yes. But there is a yeah. Pretty big difference between them too. No. I understand your,  

[01:20:35] Jesse Fries:

issue on that. That makes sense. Yep. You know? And pretty soon, cats in Scotland are gonna have to be, on the asylum   asylum seeker,   somewhere. I don't know.  

[01:20:48] Jamon Fries:

According to the,   according to the   the person that's in charge of the Scotland area   Uh-huh. I don't remember if he's a prime called a prime minister or what his official title is.   But according to him, they are not going to   bar cats from from Scotland.   Yeah. But but it's because there there's been a there's been a lot of talk about putting a comp a complete ban on cats for in Scotland.  

[01:21:16] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It it was there was a report by the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission.   Basically, it's trying to keep native   mammals and birds   Yeah. Around because well, cats eat birds like nobody's business.  

[01:21:30] Jamon Fries:

And also small animals. So obvious. Yeah. Yeah. You you you do remember what they did out at at the farm, don't you? No. No. I don't remember. Oh, we we used to have a lot of quail out at the farm. Oh, okay.   But those cats that mom and dad bought   Right. Right. Home, I don't think they bought them. But the the barn cats that they brought home, after about two years, there was not a single quail on the on the property at all. Well, yeah, those cats, though, they were, like,   they were mostly inbred. I think I I think they, like, brought in, like, like They were they were inbred, and they they were they were wild. We barely ever fed them. I mean, they they were they were they were barn cats. You know? They they lived off of the mice that were in the barn.   But,   it it's amazing what they can do, though. I mean, I I was,   you know, deer hunting one time,   and I saw the cat climb a tree, and it took a bird down in mid flight. Oh, that's pretty pretty sweet. That was pretty sweet. Yeah.  

Let's see. You got anything So so bird cat cats are notoriously bad for   what for any form of bird.  

[01:22:43] Jesse Fries:

That is true. That is true.   Well, let's end this on a kind of a funny note here. So, Alright.   There is this lady in The UK. I swear it's still a European thing. So there's this lady in The UK   who has   who was arrested for cyber farting.  

[01:23:04] Jamon Fries:

Cyber  

[01:23:05] Jesse Fries:

farting? Yeah. Cyber farting.   So what she did is that,   she has this boyfriend, and, his ex   apparently, there's a issue with kids and custody and everything like that. Right? And so she this lady hates her boyfriend's ex. And so she decided to start sending her videos of her farting   and sending them to the ex.   And Jamie's smiling.   It just it would just be like, she said four, like, on Boxing Day or something like that. I just   she said about Christmas and New Year's Eve and New Year. Everything like that. Just have her farting. The the new store called it cyber farting.   But she was arrested for that? She was arrested for it. Yeah. Yeah. The prosecutor   the prosecutor said she proceeds to pass gas by placing the camera on her bottom   and passing the gas.  



[01:24:07] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You you know, the   there are so many ways to deal with that situation.   Like, you like walking? If it's Yeah.   Yeah. Walking.   It's very easy to do.  

[01:24:20] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. But no. This is The UK. So  

[01:24:24] Jamon Fries:

Oh my god. Think it's like malicious people or selfish. So What does what what you're saying is that in The UK, not only do you not have freedom of speech, but you also don't have freedom of fart.  

[01:24:37] Jesse Fries:

Correct. Correct. Correct.   The best line from the article was her two team continued on Boxing Day and New Year's Day despite police getting wind of what was had happened.   Okay.  

[01:24:56] Jamon Fries:

That is the best life of our lives. That is the best. Yeah. That's awesome.  

[01:25:05] Jesse Fries:

So thank you everybody for joining us for episode 23 of the Mindless Meandering podcast. I'm Jesse Fries.  

[01:25:12] Jamon Fries:

And I'm Jabin Fries.  

[01:25:14] Jesse Fries:

And you guys have a great   week.