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- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:19) Lawn Troubles

(00:00:58) Bad Bunny

(00:03:03) Weekend violence roundup: Texas, Michigan, North Carolina

(00:06:04) Mental health, veterans, and support systems

(00:06:42) James Comey indicted and statute-of-limitations twist

(00:09:15) Government shutdown theater and filibuster frustrations

(00:14:00) Federal authority, ICE in Portland, and National Guard debate

(00:16:07) Ice Cube’s tour bus incident and "N.I.C.E." gag

(00:18:04) Des Moines superintendent arrested by ICE

(00:19:47) Free speech vs. extremism: memo, domestic terrorism, and HuffPost

(00:26:06) Alex Jones’ "Hitler mustache" stunt and conspiracies

(00:29:09) Polling, Dems swearing on air, and language as authenticity

(00:34:04) NYC mayoral race: Adams exits, Mamdani vs. Cuomo talk

(00:36:47) California exodus: taxes, unions, and filming abroad

(00:37:41) SCOTUS pause on $4B foreign aid and presidential power

(00:39:47) International: Nigeria’s Christian genocide and rules of war

(00:45:12) International law, treaties, and propaganda skepticism

(00:56:39) Value-for-value break (support the show)

(00:58:13) Business & tech: DJI labeled military, EU drone bans

(01:02:25) Microsoft, Lisa Monaco, and gov’t contracts angle

(01:05:32) Financial engineering: Six Flags land sale push and Vegas costs

(01:12:00) Stocks, shorting, and the perils of quick-cash capitalism

(01:18:26) AI vs. submarines and modern warfare models

(01:19:41) Health notes: Tylenol in pregnancy and overdose risks

(01:23:05) Science: Antibacterial dental paste and hospital coatings

(01:26:29) Climate models: warming that triggers cooling?

(01:31:41) Ancient skull reconstruction and human origins narratives

(01:33:46) Humanoid robots bubble? Why wheels and specialty win

(01:40:10) Oddities: WHO warns against drinking camel urine

(01:41:07) Closeout: Thanks from Jesse and Jamin

[00:00:19] Jesse Fries:

Good afternoon to everybody.   It is,   September 28, and we are live with episode number 66 of the mindless meanderings.   And I'm Jesse Fries, and I I had to go back and forth over the lawn, like, three times just to get to the right level because I hadn't mowed the backyard   in forever, and it had, like, that   crabgrass, Dallas grass, whatever crap going on with it.  

[00:00:45] Jamon Fries:

Oh, that sucks. So that's my day. And I'm and I'm Jamin Friess, and,   I just found out that they have chosen the performing artist for the for the next Super Bowl. Yep. Yep. Yep.   I find it very hilarious though.   Why?   Because Bad Bunny,   who is gonna be performing at the Super Bowl Right.   Chose   not to   perform in his in his latest tour in The United States   because he was afraid of ice.  

[00:01:22] Jesse Fries:

But but he's Puerto Rican.  

[00:01:25] Jamon Fries:

Well, he was afraid that ICE would come and surround his his concerts   to sweep up any illegals that went.   Okay. But he'll he'll go to the Super Bowl. That that's a stated reason anyways. But, yes, the Super Bowl invites him, and he's all in on it.  

[00:01:43] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I'm sure there's gonna be some sort of protest   angle for it because, well, they're they're   I'm sure. You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Probably.   No. He he has some good songs.   I think he's   a bit overrated overall,   but I I like a a lot of his songs. It's just his I like his older stuff, not really his newer stuff.   Not that I speak Spanish or anything like that, but, you know, he's  

[00:02:09] Jamon Fries:

as far as I know, I've never heard anything that he does. I don't I'm not that big on listening to,   from what I understand, he does rap   of sorts?  

[00:02:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It's reggae tone.   So it's kind of a hip hop infused with Latin,   infused with dance.   It's it's   it's got great it's got really great beats. It really does. If you like to dance Yeah. It is freaking awesome. And I like to dance. Wow. You know, it's  

[00:02:37] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I'm I'm not so much there.  

[00:02:40] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But but no. It is I actually dance for work for workout. That's what I do. I do it like that. Oh, okay. Okay. Dance stuff. It's just nice. It gets me moving. I like the beats, you know. I always like dancing. So yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah.   Yep. Yep. Well,   this weekend was a bad day to be anywhere to  

[00:03:03] Jamon Fries:

No kidding.  

[00:03:04] Jesse Fries:

I   per the mass shooting things, they added some other ones too, but there were at least three.   Three now they actually two.   There there there was one in Texas here as well   as well. It was in El Paso.   He shot up a casino.   Oh, damn.   Yeah. Yeah.   They've caught him as well.   I don't know what   I'm not sure if there's any motivation for that one.   Right.   I know a former ICE agent is dead and whatnot, but, you know, he was just a guy at   the   I'm not sure if he's working security or just a guy at the casino.   But, you know, it's a yeah.   Yeah. So yeah. And then, of course, the Michigan one   that, where   some   some freaking idiot, crazy idiot,   whacked out veteran   decided to   shoot up and burn down a Mormon church. You know? It's like Which somebody has already said that it was a right leaning guy. Well, he was mega. He he looks he he had, like, Trump stuff. He there's pictures of him wearing Trump   gear and everything like that. So   yeah. But you you  

[00:04:17] Jamon Fries:

I I I'm not sure if there was any motivation for it. You know? It's like just because Well, no. From from what I've heard from one from one person that I heard talking, I can't remember which   media source it was on. Mhmm.   But they have linked it   to anti trans   simply by the fact   that that one Mormon church had a leader   that was trying to make it so that the Mormon church had a took a better   took a more positive stance on trans.  

[00:04:53] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Well  

[00:04:54] Jamon Fries:

so yeah. And and that that that leader that leader died the day after he died was when the shooting happened.   Well, that's weird.   Yeah.  

[00:05:06] Jesse Fries:

So if the leader that wanted the  

[00:05:10] Jamon Fries:

That's weird. The the leader that wanted the the lighter stance on trans died,   and then suddenly someone anti trans comes in and kills them and starts shooting at people?   Yeah.   That is very  

[00:05:26] Jesse Fries:

weird.   Yeah.   Hey. You know, either way, tragedy, everything like that. Oh, yeah. Big time. Absolutely.   Yeah. It's not justified for anything or anything like that.   No. No. And then you have the JAGAS in North Carolina   who just shot up a restaurant for   once again, I don't know   what reason. He he this guy was another veteran. PTSD, they they're kinda saying.   Okay.   So it's just  

[00:05:57] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Yeah. Both are   To me, this just means  

[00:06:01] Jesse Fries:

we need to start funding sanitor sanitariums again. Well, also just help for veterans for Christ's sakes. Yeah. The the the veteran administration,   they they need to do more, you know, whether or not they need more money or whatever. They just need to do more. They need to do better. We need to do better for our   veterans. It's just Absolutely.   You you know? But, you know, some also, sometimes you just there's nothing you can do sometimes. You know? It's like   you have certain laws, and then they will always, like, slip through the cracks or whatnot. So, you know, it's  

[00:06:36] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm.   That is absolutely true.  

[00:06:43] Jesse Fries:

Let's see. What's going on in the world? James Comey has been indicted.   So  

[00:06:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Didn't saw that.  

[00:06:52] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.   Apparently, they were able to do it because   somehow they   got a Virginia   district   grand jury to indict him. They did not take it to the one in DC.   Right. And so because we all know if it went to DC, there's no way he would have been indicted because well Oh, yeah. No. There there's no chance. They'll just let these people do whatever they want. If it's Trump, yeah, they're gonna indict him for anything for, hangnail. They'll indict him. Yeah.   But, if it's anybody else, they won't. So   yeah. They basically, in dying for a line and everything like that to congress and everything. So   and apparently   I I heard this web theory where,   Ted Cruz was basically he he helped make this possible because the first time Comey lied was in, like, 2017,   which would mean it was out of   he he couldn't be tried for it because it was past the   statute of limitations.  

Yeah. But then   Cruz asked him point blank, do you still stand by that? And he said, yes. And that was and that's actually within  

[00:08:03] Jamon Fries:

nice.  

[00:08:05] Jesse Fries:

The statute of limitations. So yeah.  

[00:08:08] Jamon Fries:

Fairly. Well, you you know,   at least this shows that the Republicans   will trick you into into may remaking a statement so it's within statute of limitations   Right. Rather than what the Democrats did to Trump, which was   change the freaking statute of limitations.  

[00:08:26] Jesse Fries:

Yes. Yes.   Exactly. Exactly.   And not only that, you know, the Democrats will raid your house and arrest you   Yes. Like they did with,   that one guy, one of Trump's guys. He who was convicted and everything like that. They raided his house even though he only is. Yeah. The the Democrats are a little bit more ruthless about it.   Yep.   But yeah. It's,   not too bad. Not too bad. Hopefully   I nobody really liked Comey. I I see, to me, I think the Democrats should even be happy because some people blame Clinton for losing because of Comey.   Right.  

So,   you know, I   I think we should all just get back behind, getting Comey out of here. You know? It's, I couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more.  

[00:09:16] Jamon Fries:

And, going on to,   the shutdown that looms. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.   Schumer, I I guess president,   Trump is gonna be meeting with a whole bunch of Democrats to talk to him about this.  

[00:09:29] Jesse Fries:

At at least like Schumer and, the Hakim  

[00:09:32] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Whatever,   the Yeah. House, minority leader. Yep. Yeah. I I I did find one thing that, house that Mike Johnson said kind of hilarious.  

[00:09:43] Jesse Fries:

What?  

[00:09:46] Jamon Fries:

He called on Democrats to follow common sense.   You know, that that's like a foreign language to them as far   based on my own   my own experiences.  

[00:10:00] Jesse Fries:

Well well, I'm just,   to me, it's like one politician telling another politician to follow common sense just doesn't make much sense in another  

[00:10:11] Jamon Fries:

style. No. It doesn't.   No politician is gonna follow common sense. They're gonna they're gonna follow what keeps them in power. Exactly.  

[00:10:19] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. So, yeah, that that is kinda funny. That is kinda funny.  

[00:10:24] Jamon Fries:

But yeah. No. I I guess from from what he was saying, the shutdown all   hinges on   the Democrats wanting to keep giving   Medicaid   to   illegal aliens.   And Right. So if it doesn't include that, they're they're gonna just   they're they're not gonna ever pass it.   The thing is, though, is that what's being right now, there's currently   a group that is getting together to try to work out the final deals.   Uh-huh. What they're doing now, this resolution   continuing resolution that was being passed, it's just a very temporary one to allow that deal making process to to finalize.  

[00:11:09] Jesse Fries:

Well, even this just this other this one that right now is just temporary. It's just like a seven week thing. So it's like Yeah.   Okay. So we're going through all this hoopla for seven weeks and then we're go right back into it? Yes. Exactly.  

[00:11:22] Jamon Fries:

We do this over and over and over again. Why is it even a news story? That's what I want. I I that is very true. I have no idea. Because it happens That should just be yeah. It happens every year, and it happens on a regular basis throughout the year.   This I mean, it this really should just be considered as   the common  

[00:11:44] Jesse Fries:

practice of our government. Yeah. Exactly. It may may maybe a, like,   a footnote. It's like, oh, by the way, the Republicans and Democrats   are   fighting about a shutdown. And on to the next news. Yeah. It's like You know, I or or even even just,  

[00:12:02] Jamon Fries:

you know, the day before the shutdown or the day of the shutdown, just   government shuts down again.   Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. We already know why. They don't need to tell us why. Mhmm. It's because the two sides can't agree on the budget.  

[00:12:18] Jesse Fries:

No. They really can't. But, apparently, it looks like the Democrats are planning,   a nice vacation during the shutdown.   Oh, are they? Yeah. They're planning to go to a five star resort in Napa.   Why does that not surprise me? No. This this is like a let them eat cake situation, you know. Oh, yeah. Big time. It's like, are you kidding me? You know, it's like,   you know, it's pure crap. It really is. The Democrats really don't even care.   See, this is why we just get rid of the filibuster once again. We just get rid of the filibuster   and then we can go about we don't have to hear about this crap.  

You know, the the it's it's like   they're they're driving us down into the depths of debt that nobody Oh, yeah. Get. Absolutely. Oh, I like that title.   Depp's That's a good title. Depp. Yeah. Yep. Let me write this down.  

[00:13:16] Jamon Fries:

But they keep And this is how we come up with our show titles. Exactly. Exactly.  

[00:13:23] Jesse Fries:

Wait. They just keep driving us down and down and down, and then they also make us listen to them do this.   Oh, yeah. You you you know, it's   it's torture. Really. They're torturing. It really is. Yes. You know, I I I they should all be arrested for torture.   Mental anguish.   If only we could sue the government for mental anguish. Yeah. That would be wonderful.   Right. It's just this it's this craziness.   You know? It's Yeah.   They really need to just stop it. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:13:58] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. They they absolutely do.   Just like, you know, they need to stop filing freaking lawsuits against Trump.   What now?   Oregon has now sued Trump because he's   played because he's issued an order for the National Guard to move into Portland.  

[00:14:17] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. To protect,  

[00:14:19] Jamon Fries:

federal To protect the ICE agents there. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And federal buildings.   They're they're going on about how it's unconstitutional   and all this crap.   And the thing that I love is that the article   that that the the article that I read Mhmm.   It cited   the original   finding,   in Los Angeles   where the judge said that it was illegal for them to be there. Uh-huh.   But it didn't say anything about the the   the about the appeal or anything else like that   that made it so that they were actually there legally.  

[00:15:00] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No.   The Fed can   ICE can do whatever they want. Yeah. It's the the the it's especially Portland. It's within a 100 miles of the ocean. No. Yeah. Yeah. They they could do whatever they want there. This is just how it works.  

[00:15:14] Jamon Fries:

And using the National Guard to per to defend the federal agents and the federal buildings   is fully 100%   within the jurisdiction of the president. Yep. Yep. Yep.   So, yeah. All this is just bullshit.  

[00:15:32] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It really does.  

[00:15:37] Jamon Fries:

But it's funny though. The the Oregon governor was like, we've only had a couple of very small   instances   of   of,   violence.  

[00:15:51] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:15:53] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   It it   any violence against ICE   by a group of people is not a small incidence.  

[00:16:02] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.   Right. But   yeah. Yeah. Speaking of ICE in Portland, so have you heard the news?   What's that?   So Ice Cube. You know Ice Cube. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The rapper. Right? Been a while since I've heard his name. I I know. I know. He's on tour, actually. Is he? Nice. Yeah. He's on tour.   And,   he he was in Portland.   Right?  

[00:16:30] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[00:16:31] Jesse Fries:

And his tour bus has   ice cube written on the side of it. Right?   Oh, god. It was firebomb.  

[00:16:43] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I could've   oh, man.   That that is   that is,   yeah.   I'm actually not that surprised, though.  

[00:16:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. At least that's what I hear. Maybe he that's the the news that was coming out. I'm not sure. Maybe something else was found out.   Yeah,   his bus was  

[00:17:09] Jamon Fries:

firebombed. Yeah. So it's, You know, I I'm I'm still surprised that we don't see any of those big ice machines outside of grocery stores and and gas stations up in flames yet.  

[00:17:21] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:17:24] Jamon Fries:

Although, maybe there's enough ice in there that they wouldn't catch on fire. The water would put it out. Yeah. Maybe so. Maybe so.  

[00:17:31] Jesse Fries:

Or you know what Adam Carolla said. Adam Carolla, he said that, just put a n. Just make it National Immigration and Custom Enforcement. Yeah. Then it would be nice.   Absolutely.   You know? It's like you you Everyone would everyone would like it. They're nice agents.   Yeah.   Why are you fighting the nice agents? You know, I I it's just  

[00:17:55] Jamon Fries:

Oh, that that would be beautiful.  

[00:17:57] Jesse Fries:

Right.   I I have another nice story as well.  

[00:18:04] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[00:18:05] Jesse Fries:

This one comes out of Des Moines. So Des Moines, Iowa. Oh, wow. Okay.   So the   superintendent   of the Des Moines, Iowa Public School District, he has been arrested   by ICE   because he is an illegal alien from Guyana.  

[00:18:25] Jamon Fries:

The superintendent?   Oh, damn. The superintendent.  

[00:18:30] Jesse Fries:

Holy crap.   Yeah. He was making $305,000   a year.   He he apparently, he came to The US in 1999   on a student visa, and that's the last immigration knew about it.   Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:18:50] Jamon Fries:

Well, we need to protect those illegal immigrants. After all, they're the ones that take care of our fields and wash our and clean our toilets for us. Right. Right. Right.  

[00:18:59] Jesse Fries:

Maybe he cleaned the toilet. I don't know. But probably not. Maybe.  

[00:19:03] Jamon Fries:

At some point in time, he might have. But,  

[00:19:06] Jesse Fries:

you would think. You would think. But yeah. Yeah. He he had, act he was a   a ICE fugitive,   with,   deport   deportation order since 2024.   Yeah. So over a year ago.   And   yeah. Yeah. And so they just arrested him. He wasn't showing up, and he had a deport order. And so yeah.   How   he   got a job, especially at a   for a governmental institution, I don't know.   You know? You would think that they would check these things, maybe? Possibly. One would think so. One would think so.   But yeah. So  

[00:19:47] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And and supposedly, according to the HuffPost   Uh-huh.   Donald Trump is cracking down on political   dissident.   Okay. Or political dissent. Sorry.  

[00:20:01] Jesse Fries:

How now?  

[00:20:03] Jamon Fries:

He signed his executive   order that classified,   the kind of language that would   that would,   and and I kind of agree,   but not so much. I I I do see freedom of speech issues Right. In this.   But the type of language   that would lead to   the   shooters, like the guy who shot Kirk, the guy who shot at the president, the you know, just the all the way down the list.   He's he's now classified that as the as domestic terrorism.   It so that kind of speech is now included in domestic terrorism. So who so what exact what kind of speech exactly?   Shooting somebody? Isn't a a crime already? Like, you know, it's No. No. No. It it's not the shooting somebody. It's the   language that could that leads people to take that   extreme from what   HuffPost is saying.  



[00:21:07] Jesse Fries:

Oh, well,   Supreme Court should just shut that down. Every court should. That's just Yeah.   You you know, you every so often, you get these laws and everything like that like that, you know. It's like, again, they should just be shut down. Yeah. You you know, it's like hate crime,   speech laws. I'm sorry.   Yeah. There there there are hate   there's hate crime laws. I I think they're stupid because I think the generally,   twenty years for murder is bad enough. Why do you have to times it by five or whatever it is? You know, it just doesn't make sense to me.   Yep. You you know, it it's like if you beat somebody up, does it really matter if it's just because they're black or they're a Jew or this doesn't matter? It's like you're still beating them up, and you should go to jail no matter what. That's how I view it. I I I I find the addition just to be stupid. I I find it pointless. Well, but the addition the addition is stupid, but also  

[00:22:01] Jamon Fries:

by making that addition,   you're further separating  

[00:22:07] Jesse Fries:

the groups of people. Well, right. Right. Right. But when it comes to speech, there is no such thing in The United States No. As hate speech. There's No. There's speech.   There there's not a crime   for speaking whatever you wanna say. It is inciting violence that is the crime. It is not so if you're inciting terrorism, that's fine. Okay. Just it's inciting violence. You know? That's a crime. So I guess   I I I don't know what the difference would be. You know? It's like, okay. You can make the one where it's,   inciting   terrorism instead of violence. You get to say that's fifteen years instead of ten years or whatever. You know? But Right.  

In general, it's just incitement, yes, is illegal.   But Yeah.   Beyond that, I don't see you can say whatever you want. That that's America. God bless you. It's not like The UK. So  

[00:22:59] Jamon Fries:

Well, see, the what I'm not really sure about just I mean, parsing this story is makes it very difficult. And I   I was going to look it up, but I forgot to look up the exec the executive order. Okay.   But from from everything that I'm seeing here,   it looks like it's more against   organizations   that are put together   that end up using this language.   Like, for example, the at the end of the article, they say that this was all targeted so that he could take down Soros.  

[00:23:36] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:23:38] Jamon Fries:

But, I mean, it's,   it because, I mean, it it's, like,   a a culmination of sophisticated   organized campaigns   of targeted intimidation,   radicalization,   threats, and violence was part of was part of it was part of the memo. Okay.   So   I think it's more   well,   they say executive order, but then they also say memos, so I'm not really sure what the hell is going on exactly.  

[00:24:05] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Con it's the country domestic terrorism and organized political violence?   Yeah. That that's a that's a memorandum.   Yeah. That is not the executive order. I'm I'm on webcast.gov   right now. Yeah.  

[00:24:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So, I mean, it's   anyone who espouses anti Americanism, anti capitalism, and anti Christianity   support for the overthrow of the United States government extremism in on migration,   race and gender, and hostility towards those who hold traditional American values on family,   religion, and morality   is subject to suspicion,   the memo states.   So I mean   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't really tell if it's if it's targeting speech   or if it's targeting groups and saying you're using this kind of language which is inflammatory.   And so that that maybe that'll make them look at those groups and then they look they find other things, but I I don't know exactly.  



[00:25:07] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Every   everything that I see here, it's just   focus on it. I want you to focus on this. The the these things are crimes already.   Mhmm.   But focus on it. That that that's   I don't see that this is actually saying anything beyond just focusing on it. So  

[00:25:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   And yet HuffPost as HuffPost will came out and said, this is an attack on free speech. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Huff Post and Slate and all those things do. Yep.  

[00:25:41] Jesse Fries:

It's,   it's craziness. I I don't fully understand it. It's craziness.  

[00:25:47] Jamon Fries:

I I don't fully understand it. But, yeah, it's, the the only reason I ever look at Huff Post is just just see what kind of insane  

[00:25:52] Jesse Fries:

articles they've they've written now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That that's generally why I view the other side as well. It's like, are you kidding me?   Let's see here. Alex Jones. So have you seen the latest of Alex Jones? I swear to god. I haven't.   So   he he thought he was being clever,   you know,   but he he he decided to   shave his mustache into a Hitler mustache.   Oh, god.   Right?   It's like, are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck? Why?   I I I I don't know. I don't know.   It's   I   I really don't know.   He said he was conducting a social experiment to see how the world has changed over the last eight decades.  

[00:26:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Bullshit.   Yeah. He he's try he's trying to inflame people saying, you're calling me a Nazi. You're calling us Hitler, so, well, I might as well look the part. Yeah. Yeah. Or he he he he's actually saying I'm Hitler. Yeah.  

[00:27:03] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I don't wanna see.  

[00:27:08] Jamon Fries:

What do you what do you say? And Trump's not Hitler. I am. Damn it. Yeah. It's something. I I just do  

[00:27:15] Jesse Fries:

it. I just do it. I oh, it's like, are you stupid?   You know, we all Well, I mean. Well, yeah. There's a There's an obvious answer for that one.   You know,   it's like sometimes he's right  

[00:27:28] Jamon Fries:

about his Yeah. Weirdness, but, you know, a Oh, yeah. Yeah. He he's definitely called some of them right, but he's been very off on a few on of them as well. Yeah. Like Sandy Hook and everything like that. It's Yep. Yep. Yeah. No. No.  

[00:27:44] Jesse Fries:

I don't know. It's getting stupid. It's like if you   I don't think he's really part of it, but, like, the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories like Candace Owens and everything like that. They're just getting stupid. You know? He's a hologram now or something like that. He was a hologram.   You know, I just don't.   Damn. I haven't heard that one. Yeah. Apparently, there's one where he's a hologram.   So I'm like,   oh, okay. Sure.  

[00:28:11] Jamon Fries:

Oh, god. Yeah. Yeah.   Sure. Whatever.  

[00:28:15] Jesse Fries:

I I swear. And it's like a whole bunch of these people on the right, like, Candace Owens and   everybody like that. They they they even, like, Megan Kelly is getting in on the act. I'm not sure if she's gone that far, but from what I understand, she's they're all getting in on this, and it's just they just can't let it go.   You know? It's like, he was assassinated.   It's sad. I was it affected me deeply.   Oh, yeah. But   you know something, it   it's you can't just keep going down these rabbit holes and everything like that. You know? It's just No. It's like blaming the Jews, blaming this, blaming that. You know? He's we know who did it. We caught the guy. Yeah. We know why he did it.  

[00:28:55] Jamon Fries:

I I just There's nothing more to it. There's nothing more to talk about as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. That that's how I am. That's how I am too.   Yeah. That's insane.   It really is. It really is. There was a new poll that was put out showing that half of the Americans disapprove of the Democratic Party.  

[00:29:16] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Well, the country is about split halfway anyways. Yeah. I know. I know.  

[00:29:23] Jamon Fries:

What I loved about the arty about about the,   the video that they showed talking about it though Uh-huh.   Was that the Democrats have come up with a new way to try to get Americans behind them.  

[00:29:37] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:29:39] Jamon Fries:

They've started cursing on air.  

[00:29:42] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. That that that that's, the Democrats have loved to do that lately.   Yeah.  

[00:29:49] Jamon Fries:

Some people are saying that the reason they're doing that is they're trying to get people to like them again.  

[00:29:55] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah,   see, the thing is, is that   the Democrats,   they went the   route of academia.   Yes.   And they completely   forgot about just regular people.   Oh, yeah.  

[00:30:11] Jamon Fries:

And so now they're try they they go, oh, fuck. We messed up. Yeah. So now so now they're trying to say, we're the people of the normal person.  

[00:30:18] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. But, you know, I I must say, they're getting better at the swearing. When they first they are. Yes. It used to be very contrived.   You used to know that it was all planned out. Exactly. It's like, wow. You you you do just use that naturally. You you you know, you do Yeah. If you're gonna say fuck, you just have to say a fuck. You know? You you you Oh, yeah. Yeah.   There's so many fucking ways that you fucking could say fuck. You know? There absolutely are. Yes. You just have to know how to say it. You have to know how to   work it in and everything like that. You know, you can't just  

[00:30:53] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Yeah. You can't be an academic and try to work it in like you would in an English paper. No. You It just doesn't work. It doesn't. It doesn't. You know, it's like you're trying to show that you're really angry and everything like that. Like, okay. Yeah. No. It's,  

[00:31:08] Jesse Fries:

I just like swear words. I don't know. I grew up where I couldn't. And so I like swear words. You you know, mom and dad were there pretty harsh on the swear words. So I'm like They were. Yes. And I was I was pretty tame on it until I became an over the road truck driver.  

[00:31:23] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm. And then it was almost every other word. Yeah.   See, to me And I I've tamed down since then. I I've I've mellowed out a little bit again, but, no. I still throw a few fuck bombs in there. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I  

[00:31:38] Jesse Fries:

I have to take them down just because I have kids. Because, you know, I don't I don't want my kids just to be saying Oh, yeah. Words. Yes. Absolutely.   You know, and I've had to talk with them going, you know, I really don't want you to say it around me. You know? Yeah. Don't say it in school.   Yep. But what you say around your friends, you say around your friends because that's how I was. You know? It's   I I would swear around my friends, not around my parents or anything like that.  

[00:32:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Same here.  

[00:32:02] Jesse Fries:

But, yeah, it's like  

[00:32:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. The Democrats I I would I I even swear swear at school.  

[00:32:11] Jesse Fries:

Well yeah. But not at teachers or not where teachers can hear you. No. No. No. No.  

[00:32:16] Jamon Fries:

No. But but let me tell you, at the parochial high school that I went to, that was highly frowned upon.  

[00:32:21] Jesse Fries:

Oh, I bet. I bet. But you were a black sheep there anyways, Jamin. I I really was. You you were I was one of three I I was one of three headbangers   in the entire school. Plus you were at Missouri Senate, and it was Wisconsin Senate and everything. Yep. So, you know, it's like   Yeah. I I was told repeatedly that I was damned to hell while I was in class, in religion class. Yeah. All sorts of fun stuff happened there. You know, we will all see each other in hell. This is just my idea. You know, it it it's like it just depends on who you ask on whether or not somebody's going to hell. You know? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. There's very few people that will say, well, he's not going   to hell. You know? And there's a reason   why when you're, like, at war and everything like that, the saying is not I'll see you in heaven. It's I'll see you in heaven. Yeah. No. Yeah.  



[00:33:15] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely. Absolutely.   Now we   you're you're right about that. We only say   that someone's in heaven after they've already passed away.  

[00:33:29] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:33:32] Jamon Fries:

Before that, it's,   I'll see you in hell. You're going to hell. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. You know, all sorts of stuff like that.   I had never thought of it that way. Yeah. It's very interesting.  

[00:33:44] Jesse Fries:

Right? Yeah. It's always I'll see you in hell. It's like we're all going to hell. Yeah. And then after you're like, oh, he's going to heaven.   So   okay.   Sure. Sure. Yeah.   Lizzie, do I have anything else,   US politics or national news? I don't think I do. You?  

[00:34:05] Jamon Fries:

I've got, Eric Adams has dropped out of the New York mayor. Oh, yes. Yep. Yep. He he mom Donny's gonna win. We all know this. Oh, yeah. You know, Yeah. There there's there's some people saying that,   that Trump and Republicans   should push the should   try to get the Republican nominee to drop out. That way, Cuomo can get all of their   votes. Honestly, if I had to choose between Cuomo and Mondami,   I just wouldn't vote.  

[00:34:35] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   And it's it's like   the things that Mamdani will actually be able to get done, I I think is very simple. Well,  

[00:34:44] Jamon Fries:

you know, he keeps he keeps talking about raising taxes on the rich. Right.   I'm sorry. You're a mayor of the fucking city. You can't raise taxes.   Yeah. Yeah. You can. City taxes. The only he can he can he can raise   city taxes, but I guess he can raise sales taxes. Yep. Property taxes. Yeah.  

[00:35:06] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. He can. He can. Yeah. He he can. But  

[00:35:09] Jamon Fries:

doing that   affects everyone. I don't I think, doesn't it?   Especially  

[00:35:15] Jesse Fries:

sales tax is one. Well, sales tax is yeah. And everything like that. It it but you could tax luxury items differently than you can tax, not luxury items and things like that. So, you you you know, there there are ways to do it.   It's a government, so they can pretty much do whatever they want as long as it's within constitutional means.   Yeah. So Yeah. I wait. You know,   that's just gonna cause people to leave. You know? It's like with California. Everybody's leave. It's like Hollywood   doesn't even make any movies in California anymore. Oh, no. No. They can't.   It's cheap. It's cheaper for them to actually go to, like, Croatia.  

Like, fly everybody   to   Croatia.  

[00:35:58] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:35:59] Jesse Fries:

Absolutely. And that, like, the entire crew as well. Not and so maybe not even use Croatian crew, but just fly Oh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe a few here and there, but, like, they just fly everybody over. It's cheaper than all the taxes and everything like that. Over there, then you have all the,   union rules,   over here and everything like that. It's just   they're not shooting.   Apparently, there was a TV show. It was a game show. Right? I can't remember what which one it was.   But they flew everybody to Ireland   because it was cheaper.   Even the guests, they flew the guests on the game show   over to Ireland   because it's cheaper.  



[00:36:42] Jamon Fries:

Wow.  

[00:36:47] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   I really don't know how California is going to still make money after some time. I really don't. I don't. Oh, yeah. No. No. Usually, you know. Are they pegging everything on tech? You know, is is that it? Because  

[00:37:01] Jamon Fries:

I don't know. It seems like they're moving towards that direction.   Yeah. Because I mean, it it other than tech,   really the only other thing they have going for them is farms.  

[00:37:18] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   Yep.   It really is. There's there's not that much more there, you know. No. I Of course. But Yeah. But  

[00:37:27] Jamon Fries:

California is a great place to raise veg to raise vegetables and grapes and stuff like that. I mean It is. It is. Yep. Yeah. Because it's, drought conditions.  

[00:37:37] Jesse Fries:

Yep. So it's perfect,   especially for wines and everything like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.   Oh, I do have one more, for national news. The Supreme Court,   has let   Trump stop $4,000,000,000   worth of foreign aid.   Mhmm.   This this kind of falls down to actually what, Wevo has said.   The court said   that the aid groups   may lack actual legal authority to challenge. So they don't have, standing, basically.   Okay.   They they say this still has to work out throughout the case and everything like that. So they just pause the payment, say he can do that, but it still has to go through the regular courts. So this is a temporary pause.   But then they also said this is what I also said, if you remember. It's like, it they also expressed concerns   that Trump, at this stage of the case, threatened to impair,   like, stopping it right now, it would impair his power to conduct foreign affairs.  



[00:38:37] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:38:39] Jesse Fries:

And and I That's what foreign aid is for. Yeah. Yeah. And I believe It's freaking we said this right?   Did we say this? We did. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. See, so it's like because the Congress can save money for foreign aid and whatnot. But Yeah. Trump,   the president,   actually has complete control over foreign policy, foreign anything.   Oh, absolutely.   It is not up to congress. The the only thing that congress has to do with foreign whatever   is war,   and that hasn't been used in forever.   War and treaties. They they I believe congress has to ratify treaties. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yep. That that's true. That's true. But, yeah, it it's that's it. Beyond that, it's foreign policy, and Trump can cut anything off he wants. I'm thinking Yeah. Or just any president. This is what Yep.   Has   been put down by the Supreme Court for many different administrations.  

So it's  

[00:39:35] Jamon Fries:

Oh. Yeah. Absolutely.   Mhmm.  

[00:39:39] Jesse Fries:

Looks like I'm I know what I'm talking about sometimes.   Sometimes.   Sometimes.   Do you have anything international? I do.  

[00:39:53] Jamon Fries:

I have one.   Where is it? Oh, yes. The   slaughter of the Christians in Nigeria.  

[00:40:01] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:40:03] Jamon Fries:

Bill Maher came out and Bill Maher came out and said he said the reason that nobody's paying attention to what's going on over there, where an actual   genocide is actually happening Uh-huh.   Is because  

[00:40:17] Jesse Fries:

Israel's not involved. The Jews aren't involved. No. Yeah. Completely. It's like Sudan. They're having issues too, you know? Yeah.  

[00:40:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's the the Christians in Nigeria. It is a literal   genocide.   No. It is. They are trying to kill the entire   Christian population  

[00:40:39] Jesse Fries:

in the country. Yeah. They just killed, like, 2,200 just, like, this month. Yeah.   I think over,   like, for the past, like, ten years, they've killed about 200,000   Yep. Christians.   It it it it's   it is quite it it is Oh, yeah. Really I   see, you know, it it's   Nigeria,   they should just do it.   Israel is doing it. If, there's a terrorist group trying   to wipe you off the face of the planet,   you wipe them off the face of the planet. That's what I see. You know? It's,   to and if they start the attack,   I'm think I think you're in your rights to wipe them off the planet and not call a genius. Oh, without a doubt. Yes.   I completely agree with that. Yep. Yep. So   it's probably not a popular opinion, especially in today's world, but, you know, it's like Yeah. You attack. What do you expect? I I think I've always said this as well. You know? You attack, you get what you get. You know? It's like, either you can back it up like Russia is right now   Mhmm. Or or is trying to. Russia   I don't think they did that great of a job of it. They they they should have just That late the latest drone strike was pretty massive, though.  

Right. Right. But   they're trying to be nice and keep Kyiv whole and everything like that.   Yeah. At least this is my opinion. I I I haven't seen any strategy or anything like that, but it just kinda seems like what it is. But it's like if you're if you're gonna attack, you have to just attack. I I I don't Oh, yeah. Yeah. You you you can't  

[00:42:12] Jamon Fries:

you can't be You know, to to me to me that this this style of warfare has become very prominent,   and it really pisses me off. Uh-huh.   The current warfare is you lob missiles into   your opponent.   Right. Or you send drones to your opponent. Mhmm.   All that does   is just kill shit tons of people.   It doesn't gain you ground. It doesn't gain you anything.  

[00:42:43] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.   Well, a lot of the tags that have been they they target, like, facilities and everything like that, like factories,   air bases, things like that. So, you know, I Yep. That that's completely what you need to do in military and everything like that. You know? But then also,   it's how war is fought.   War   war is   a thing where you attack   the military, but you also attack the civilians.   And the Yeah. Even though even though it's against   international law, as they call it   Right. I I don't think there is anything called international law, but the people say that there is.  

[00:43:24] Jamon Fries:

It's whoever is strongest gets to dictate whatever they wanna do. You know? That that Well, what what it is is that there's there's treaties and stuff like that that the UN is there to enforce.   And   so every country that signed into a treaty that says we are not going to do this, we're not gonna allow this to happen,  

[00:43:43] Jesse Fries:

then they're not supposed to allow it do it allow it Right. But every treaty could be broken because it's just an agreement. It's not anything about that. You know? There's no overarching   group saying,   well, we're gonna come at you if you don't if you don't do this. You know, there's no no such thing as that. The the only way that there could potentially be an international law  

[00:44:03] Jamon Fries:

is if is if there was an international   governing body   that   actually   had its own   policing   force, its own everything,   and that every country had ceded  

[00:44:19] Jesse Fries:

their powers to Their sovereigns. To allow it to happen. Yeah. Basically, if countries didn't have sovereignty.  

[00:44:25] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well,   no. Yes. Like, for example, the world court. The world court   can try people   that belong to the world court.   Right. Right. But if you didn't sign into the world court,  

[00:44:40] Jesse Fries:

you can't be tried in the world court. Well, right. But that's also giving up your sovereignty.  

[00:44:46] Jamon Fries:

It it is in a way, but they've   worded it in a way that it's not really giving up your sovereignty.   I don't buy that.  

[00:44:55] Jesse Fries:

No. They they they tried they try to play with words as much as they do. Yeah. I know. But it's giving up your sovereignty. It it's what it is because you say that there's something over you. Something can come in and   have you arrested and whatnot and everything like that. So, you know, it's Yeah.   You know? Oh, it's, I saw this one thing about, like, the Gaza and,   genocide and everything like that. This lady I I should've clipped it. But this lady, she she was, like, part of the group that said   that people say said that there's genocide going on there.   Yeah. But she said,   we didn't say genocide   is happening. We said genocide   could happen.  

And it might and   it might be in that area where   it it was like this whole going, we didn't actually say that. We didn't actually say genocide is happening. You know,   it's.  

[00:45:56] Jamon Fries:

Oh, God. Yeah.  

[00:45:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Because   everything I've seen, you know, I don't I really don't. You can't believe anything Hamas or anything that comes out of Gaza   actually   reports. You can't trust any of it because it's all Hamas   propaganda 100%.  

[00:46:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Just like you can't trust anything comes out of the Israeli government because it's propaganda.   Exactly. It's Israeli propaganda. Exactly. This is this is what happens when two countries are at war. You ignore what those two countries are saying Yep. Because they're going to make themselves look good.  

[00:46:33] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And this isn't even two countries. This is one country Yeah. Attacking   people inside of it. You know? It's you know?   So   yeah.   It it it is pure craziness. It is pure craziness. Yeah.   There's another thing that was just like it too, you know, where it's like you're twisting the words. You you know, it's oh, it was,   the headline was,   something like,   left   terrorist attacks   are are more now than right wing, even though right wing is   usually   the one that does it and everything like that. I'm like and then if you read the study, it's like going,   it really doesn't   say that precisely. You know?  

It's like, okay. You got the headline, but it really doesn't necessarily say that. You know? And it's like trying to find out what   a right wing terrorist attack is and everything like that is, like,   it's quite   hard to actually and and   oh, this is what it was. It was   the the article   or or the study said   about   plots and attacks.   Okay?   Mhmm.   All every news story said attacks.   Yes. So the study includes plots. And a lot of these plots are like the FBI saying, hey. You wanna attack, don't you? You wanna attack.   And that's also for jihadists or whatnot. You know? It's the FBI, and they're going, hey. You wanna do this? You wanna do that? This is how it is. You know? It's like the 274   FBI agents that were   at January 6. You know? It's like,   I I don't know what to believe with this situation. You know? Could you really believe it? You know? It's,   maybe the left is better at rooting out   the FBI,   And so they don't get caught up in those.  

You know?   Maybe the left, like, Antifa, maybe they're smarter people than the right wingers. They just go crazy. Yeah. You know? It's, that's it could could be possible.  

[00:48:40] Jamon Fries:

It it very well could be. Yeah.  

[00:48:42] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. So   international news, though. Sarkozy,   you know, the former French president.   Yep. He has been sentenced to five years in prison   Okay.   For basically   getting money from Gaddafi   or trying to get money from Gaddafi.   You you know, the Libya guy that Oh, yes. Yeah. Like, keyhole and   Yeah.   Raped by a gun or whatnot with all of his dead body and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. So, yeah, Nicholas Sarkozy, five years in jail. Apparently, this was, like, the very least,   like, the,   like, the lesser charge. He was found not guilty of all the big crimes. But   Okay. But, yeah, he's   70 years old, and he's going to jail for   five years, apparently.  



[00:49:38] Jamon Fries:

Sucks to be him.  

[00:49:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It really does. It really does. Yeah. But   that's what you get when you   try to get money from Gaddafi. You know? I'm just saying. Yeah. No kidding. Who is the guy that did Pan Am one   or the leader that, allowed Pan Am one zero three to happen. So Yep. Lockerbie, Scotland.   Yeah.   And then the Brits, for international,   the Brits, they they're introducing a digital ID.   Right. I've heard about that. Yeah. So, basically, what that means is that you would have to use it if you wanted to get a job, if you wanted to rent, if you wanted to basically do anything.   There's a lot of fears on this, though.  

Okay.   To the point where let's see here. Let's see if I can get that.   And there's a petition going around.   Holy crap. This is a lot. So,   the petition,   right now has 2,521,514   signatures   to   yeah.   Yeah.   It's,   oh, and they have a map. And it looks like it's basically   all of The UK   except for   what is this?   North,   North Norfolk.   Apparently,   they are okay with it.   And maybe, you know, I could oh, you can zoom in. Look at that. I can zoom in to London.   Oh,   yeah. London seems okay with it too.   Okay. Okay. It's just they have small districts. But, yeah, it's a   yeah.  



[00:51:28] Jamon Fries:

A lot of people aren't happy about it. There's The only really, the only concern I have with digital ID   is   if the government would be able to put do something something like what the Chinese do where they where they have the Social credit. Yep. The social credit and stuff like that. Mhmm. And if you if if the go if the Brits did something   onto on the digital ID that was like that, that could make it so that   no one would rent an apartment to somebody that they didn't like or, you know, stuff like that.   Right. I would have major problems with that.  

The the aspect of a digital ID, I'm not   against per se because, I mean, it's just the same as the driver's license  

[00:52:17] Jesse Fries:

for the most part. But I mean Yeah.  

[00:52:20] Jamon Fries:

It it's like, you know, in in 90% of the countries out there, you have to carry identifying   paperwork with  

[00:52:28] Jesse Fries:

you, whether it be a driver's license or something like that. Well, yeah. Most of the time you're carrying around your ID. It's just what it is. Yeah.   So  

[00:52:37] Jamon Fries:

You have to prove your age at least, you know, or whatnot. So the the thought of making it digital is, to me, that's not a huge, a huge deal.   The only issue is,   you know,   how quickly it can go to   the government adding stuff onto that ID such as your political   leanings   and stuff like that.   Well, right. Right. That it could start becoming problematic.  

[00:53:02] Jesse Fries:

But then also, you know, it's like   just the privacy aspect. It's like, is it checked? And does the government know that it was checked at this spot to spot? Right. Yes.   And everything like that. It's like,   I I think it's   I I I think that's it's overreach. I don't think the government needs to know that. You know? No. That is very true. They they don't need to know that I went and bought alcohol on this day. No. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, will you need it   to actually it's it's like now it's like, for Aldi, apparently, over The UK, you have to, like, download the Aldi app just to get in the store. You know? It's like   Wow.  

Right? It's like, no. No. They they I'll go to the root store. You know? It's like Yeah. I'll just buy from farmers   if it gets like that. You know? It's like Yeah. I'll find some farmers that I could just buy from, you know, because he   see, to me, it's like this is just, like, another   layer of crap. You you know, it's like   and what that does is that it hampers,   the economy.   It does. Yes.  

[00:54:14] Jamon Fries:

And I've just I've I've just rethought it. I am fully against digital ID now.  

[00:54:20] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Why exactly?  

[00:54:22] Jamon Fries:

Because I had the thought.   Uh-huh.   What if   they made it so that whenever you were buying anything, you had to show your ID, like, to buy gasoline, to buy anything like that. Mhmm. That would mean that they know   exactly   where you've been   Yep.   Where you're traveling to, where you've traveled around. Mhmm. And that shit that the government don't need to know. No. They really don't. Why would they even want to know?  

[00:54:51] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   You know, I can I   understand why corporations want to because then they could sell Oh, absolutely? Yeah.  

[00:54:59] Jamon Fries:

But The only reason for a government to want to know that is so that they can curtail it. No. Exactly. So they can track you. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I saw I saw this one. It was this,  

[00:55:11] Jesse Fries:

it it wasn't like one of the major parties in The UK, but there's this one political party who got a bus. And on the side of the bus,   it said, Starmer is a wanker.   Right?   Okay. The police pulled this thing over.   Oh, of course. You can't do that. And and they're going, but that's free speech. I have the right to do this. And they go, well,   we're gonna get the the the traffic cops out here and see what's illegal on this vehicle. It's like  

[00:55:45] Jamon Fries:

Oh, god. Yeah.  

[00:55:47] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It it it's just all sorts of wrong. You you know? Yeah. It is. Yes. So so you you are stamping down on political speech right there.  

[00:55:55] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. Big time. And I think  

[00:55:57] Jesse Fries:

here on this podcast, we are firmly for all political speech. This is just what it is.   Even if I don't like it, you have one heard   I still stand by the, I may not like what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. You know? It's just without a doubt.   So yeah. It it's crazy over there right now. I I I just I just don't understand some of what's going on. It just doesn't make much sense.  

[00:56:25] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   There's a lot of shit that just doesn't make sense. Yeah. There is. There is.  

[00:56:33] Jesse Fries:

Okay. What's next, Jamie?   Do you have any more international? No. I think that's it.  

[00:56:39] Jamon Fries:

Okay. Let's go on to,   our business spiel.  

[00:56:44] Jesse Fries:

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[00:57:50] Jamon Fries:

Alright. So I've got a couple of business news Uh-huh.   That   I'm somewhat troubled by if the   well, one of them I'm just troubled by completely.   The other one, I'm troubled by if the if the way that it was worded was was   was right. Mhmm.   Okay. So   there is   a company called d DJI   or DJI.   Sorry.   DJI. That makes domestic drones.   Okay.   That has there is there was a lawsuit here in The US,   and it is now been   decided that   this company is a Chinese military company.   Okay.   Because   the Chinese government can buy their commercial avail commercially available drones   and   change them into military drones.  

This means that if you are doing any kind of business   Mhmm. That can potentially   be used   for any military purpose,   you could be classified as a military company  

[00:59:23] Jesse Fries:

Wow.  

[00:59:24] Jamon Fries:

Such as Microsoft  

[00:59:27] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:59:28] Jamon Fries:

Who just recently said Israel can't use their stuff anymore.  

[00:59:33] Jesse Fries:

Jesus Christ.  

[00:59:38] Jamon Fries:

Because they were used they supposedly were using it to look at Gaza.  

[00:59:43] Jesse Fries:

Oh, how dare it. I know.  

[00:59:46] Jamon Fries:

But the fact that it can be used by the military for military means   means that you could be classified as a military   company.  

[00:59:56] Jesse Fries:

Wow. So you would be a valid target?   Yes. Anything. Wow. Yes. Okay.  

[01:00:03] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   So I'm I'm slightly concerned about that. Yeah. No kidding. No kidding.  

[01:00:09] Jesse Fries:

That is quite concerning, actually.  

[01:00:11] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Very much so. Yeah.  

[01:00:15] Jesse Fries:

Oh, speaking of drones, apparently, Denmark banned civilian drones.   Oh, did they really? Yeah. And Germany ordered military to shoot them down. Oh,   god.  

[01:00:29] Jamon Fries:

Yep. Why?   Why?  

[01:00:32] Jesse Fries:

Because there's been drones over airports and military installations   in,   those areas in in Europe and everything like that. And, of course, the blame in  

[01:00:43] Jamon Fries:

Russia.  

[01:00:44] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Okay. But what's funny is that these things have lights on them.   You know, I I I I'm thinking that Russia would put lights on. I'm just saying. No. No. You you don't generally put lights on a military or a spy craft.   You really don't. You wouldn't turn them on at least.   No.  

[01:01:04] Jamon Fries:

No. And they they, of course, would have lights on them, but you would, before about, like,   20 miles before you cross the Russian border.   Those lights would be going off and staying off. Exactly.  

[01:01:15] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. So, yeah, I   it's probably Ukraine just trying to whip up support, you know. Yep. Yep.  

[01:01:23] Jamon Fries:

It's like Sounds about it sounds like about, like, that drone craze that was going on in New Jersey.  

[01:01:28] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.   Yeah. Yeah. It's basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's and that was probably the federal government doing something weird over here. Yeah. So it's like   yeah. But they just wanna whip it up for what they want. So it's Of course. Of course.  

[01:01:45] Jamon Fries:

In fact, I wouldn't put it beyond some governments. I'm not saying that they did this. I'm not saying that they would. But some governments I wouldn't put them put it beyond them to   launch a whole bunch of drones and then start saying, the look, the Russians are spying on us. The Russians are going to attack. Yep. Yep. Pulse flags. Yep. Yep. Put it best. No. Definitely not.   And   the the   article that   makes me that that it makes me wonder   just how everything   came down.   Because   the article   talks a lot, but it doesn't actually show anything   specifically   with that   Trump said except for, like, an individual word Mhmm.  

Or one one sentence.   Right.   So the the article is saying that Trump has demanded that Microsoft fire,   Lisa Monaco.  

[01:02:53] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Whoever that is.  

[01:02:55] Jamon Fries:

She was the,   deputy attorney general   under Joe Biden.   She was   the a senior national security aid under Barack   Okay.   Under Obama.  

[01:03:11] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:03:13] Jamon Fries:

Law fair and weaponizations   obsessed deputy attorney general under Crooked Joe Biden and Lisa's puppet boss   according to gen general Merrick Garland. So Okay.   So Microsoft hired her to be in charge of their,   cybersecurity   area. Mhmm.   And she's now had her security clearances revoked along with everybody else that Trump revoked their their security clearances   Right. And everything else like that. And,   I mean, the article says that he was telling that he was telling Microsoft that they have to fire her. Uh-huh.   In my in   in my thoughts, it probably was worded more of a,   if you want to maintain   your  

[01:04:06] Jesse Fries:

government contracts with us Right. You're not gonna be able to have her working in those fields. No. Yeah. It would make sense. It would make sense. Yeah. I I could see how both could be true.   Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. I I I could see how the left would, run it one way and then, Yeah. Abs absolutely.  

[01:04:27] Jamon Fries:

Well Yeah. Because, I mean, it does it does specifically say,   that someone   called on the president to cancel all of Microsoft's government contracts.   You know, like like I said, all the quotes are, like, just little   little tiny blurbs or individual   words even. Mhmm. Unacceptable,   highly sensitive information.   You know,   those are the direct quotes.   Right. Right. Which means that there's   dropping out probably a lot.  

[01:04:59] Jesse Fries:

I would think so. I would think so. Yeah.   Yeah.  

[01:05:05] Jamon Fries:

But, you know, if if he did specifically say you shouldn't hire her, you you need to fire her, then I would have problems with it, which is what   the   website that I looked that I saw this on is saying happened.   But I   I would believe it's probably more along the lines of she can't have anything to do with any of your contracts with the government. Right. Because she has no security clearances. Well Yep. So it would make sense. It would make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.  

[01:05:36] Jesse Fries:

So, apparently,   Six Flags,   we all know Six Flags. Alright? Oh, yes.   So, apparently,   Six Flags,   some there's an investor group   that owns, like, what, about   2%   of Six Flags. Anyways, they're trying to force   Six Flags   to sell   the real estate.   Wait. What?   And then basically lease it back.  

[01:06:06] Jamon Fries:

What?  

[01:06:07] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.   This is basically   this is what's funny is that this group   is called,   Land and Building Investment Management.   So, basically, I think they wanna buy it.  

[01:06:20] Jamon Fries:

They wanna buy the land and then lease it back to Six Flags. Absolutely.  

[01:06:25] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. But, you know, this this   is actually what is ruining   so many places. Oh, it is. So many companies.   It it this would be because if you   it it costs more to lease than to buy.   No. It it does. And once you actually have   bought it and you're not making any payments on it, that means everything that comes in is just pure revenue. You don't have to pay for the land that you're on anymore. This is the same crap that happened to, like, Red Lobster.   This this is this   and then there's this, company up in Michigan. It was a furniture store car called Art Van.   It was a great Okay. Store and everything like that. The founder,   wanted out because he he either had died or he was just trying to pass it on.  

But then the family sold it to this venture capitalist, and they sold all the property   and then had the stores lease the property   so they could quickly get their cash out.   Right. Yeah.   And then they went bankrupt because they couldn't pay for the lease. Pay the market.  

[01:07:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   Well, I mean, you know, even even outside of the business world, this is what's happening in the housing market too. There's so many big companies   that are buying every single freaking house that goes on the market so that they can rent them out. Yep. Yep. Yep. And that, as far as I'm concerned, that is complete bullshit. Well, a lot of these things too is  

[01:07:57] Jesse Fries:

a lot of these times, they're they're they they they don't even buy the land. They just sell the land so they can get quick quick cash out. And, basically, it's the idea of,   the one in the hand the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. You know? It's that sort of thing. They they would rather take that one in the hand   than than take the two in the bush.   Yeah. You you know, they're they're basically they're just they're jackasses, and I I really think they're all jackasses, and all they care about is the dollar. That is all they want. And, you know, this is I I just saw something also.   Vegas.  

So you've heard that people aren't going to Vegas anymore. Right?   I have heard about that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I saw this thing that kinda explained it. Some people are blaming, like, Trump and Canadians not coming in and everything like that. Okay. But there have also been a lot of stories about how Vegas has gotten more expensive.   Right? It's just gotten more expensive.   And Right. Apparently, if what I saw is true see, there there's always that. But if what I saw is true, all these companies also did the same thing.   So now all these big casinos are renting land instead of having owned the land.  

Yeah.   And so now they actually have to pay for that land on a monthly basis, and so they can't comp you like they used to. Right. Well, the other the other You used to be able to get cheap rooms. Oh, yeah. Free food. Absolutely. Free drinks. Yeah.  

[01:09:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That used to be the benefit of going to   the casinos and spending money was that you'd get the free rooms and the free drinks. Right. And or or at least cheap rooms and the free drinks and free food. And they that doesn't exist anymore,  

[01:09:43] Jesse Fries:

apparently. Yeah. I haven't been there forever, but, apparently, it doesn't exist.  

[01:09:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That would kinda suck.  

[01:09:51] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And so and then people blame Trump for Vegas' issues. But if it's just too damn expensive because   of the whole stupid   venture capitalists just wanting to get their freaking money cash out quick instead of having a business   that provides a good service for a good cost and can keep going. Yeah. To me, that's what a business should be for. It's not for quick cash.  

[01:10:15] Jamon Fries:

No. No. It's not.   And the and I think there's another reason that Vegas is losing out though. Mhmm.   And that's because you no longer have to go to Vegas to gamble.   Well, yeah. There is also that. You know, you now everything is online. You can bet on sports in your phone and on the computer.   Yeah. But you can do other gam you can, you know, there's   in some states, there's slot machine apps that that you can gamble and win real money with. Yep. Yep. So there's no longer a reason to go to Vegas.  

[01:10:51] Jesse Fries:

There isn't. But you know something, I would   I would never do one of those slot machine   games. Oh, fuck. No. It's like, you know, that's probably even more rigged than the one in Vegas. Right? Oh, absolutely. You know, at least at least the ones in Vegas  

[01:11:07] Jamon Fries:

through the through law and stuff, they have to pay out a certain percentage. Yeah. Exact exactly.  

[01:11:13] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. I'm not sure if there's any such laws for the   mobile industry, you know. Yeah.   If there are, it would be very, very hard to track. It would be. It would be very hard to track. It'd be very hard to track.   But, yeah, I I I just don't   this whole   this whole world that we live in now   of capital,   it's Yeah. It's not even capitalism anymore. It's not not.   It's just trying to make a quick buck from   and  

[01:11:49] Jamon Fries:

in fact, I would I would go so far as to say that it's the exact opposite of capitalism.  

[01:11:55] Jesse Fries:

I'm not sure about that.  

[01:11:57] Jamon Fries:

Can you explain No. Because agreement.   Okay. So capitalism   is about   providing   a providing   value for the money.  

[01:12:10] Jesse Fries:

Okay. So service is good. I buy it from you. Right. Right.  

[01:12:14] Jamon Fries:

You build the house, I buy the house from you. Mhmm. You build the apartment complex, I rent the apartment from you. Right.   Quick cash is the antithesis   of true capitalism because it I could only hurts both parties.  

[01:12:31] Jesse Fries:

I could actually see that. So it goes against John Locke. It does. Yeah.   Absolutely. Yeah. Adam Smith. Adam Smith. Adam Smith was the yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:12:43] Jamon Fries:

But I haven't talked about them in a while. Yeah. It's The the the the the what capitalism is supposed to do is it's supposed to benefit both parties.   Right. You receive something that you wanted, they receive the money that they wanted, both are happy.  

[01:12:58] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.   Going No. I just with cash,  

[01:13:03] Jamon Fries:

nobody's happy except for the guy that's getting bank.  

[01:13:06] Jesse Fries:

No. Exactly. Exactly. And then it's like destroying the company.   Yeah.  

[01:13:11] Jamon Fries:

As is, you know, it's like Yeah. Because because what happens when you start leasing the land that you used to own   Yep. Is suddenly you have to raise your prices because you're   no longer   dealing with land that was paid off. You're now   paying a lease all the time, so your prices have to go up. Those prices cause inflation, which destroys the market. Mhmm. And everybody's fucked.  

[01:13:33] Jesse Fries:

No. Completely. Completely. Yeah.   It's like that one group. They say, oh, it'll increase the share price. Yeah. For, like, a day.  

[01:13:44] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   And the the biggest I that's one of my biggest pet peeves about about   about this. Uh-huh. It it you know,   to me,   I think that   stocks are anti capitalism as well.   Because what the hell does a company care about what their share prices are?   Right. Right. The company itself   does not benefit   from stock   after the IPO.   It's only the individuals within the company that own stock   that will benefit from it as more people trade and sell it.  

[01:14:25] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. But it's the stock owners that actually   own company?   Sometimes. Generally. Yeah. Generally, that's the case. Yeah. When you go public, you may keep, like, 51%   or whatnot.  

[01:14:37] Jamon Fries:

There there are a lot where there but there's a lot where, you know, starting out the company, you had, like,   five people that will that all formed this company, and so you broke it up down into five. You know, you split it into five, so everybody's got 20%.  

[01:14:52] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[01:14:54] Jamon Fries:

And then each of them sells a small percentage of their shares, so they're down to maybe 15%.   Yep. So any individual only owns, like, 15% of the capital of the company. Yeah. No. It to to me, it's like  

[01:15:09] Jesse Fries:

I I I can see the need for a stock market and everything like that, but I I think it's it's gotten to the point where   it's not it used to be a long term investment.   Nowadays,   people are just wanting it for the short term investment.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is completely destroying what The day traders. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, destroying the whole purpose. You know, it's like you back in the day, you would buy, like, a couple shares in AT and T. That was your retirement  

[01:15:36] Jamon Fries:

phone. Exactly.  

[01:15:37] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. That's what you do. You know? And then you could sell it when it's,   worth a lot more. You know? That that that's, that was the whole idea of it. Nowadays, it's just a quick buck,   everything like that, get it out. You know? It's it it's   it it it it destroy it can destroy companies. Not that it necessarily does, but it can,   which is why Dell,   the founder of Dell, he he because Dell went public.  

[01:16:05] Jamon Fries:

Right.  

[01:16:06] Jesse Fries:

And then he bought all the shares back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because he goes, the the company is being destroyed.  

[01:16:13] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Well, you know, the   and and it necessarily   will because   once you've gone public,   your decisions, the decisions of the company   have to, by law,   be to benefit the shareholders.  

[01:16:28] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. Which is also a problem. To make the company stronger.   Yep.   Yep.  

[01:16:35] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. No. I mean, it's   it it's one of those things that   but but the biggest the biggest thing that I've I've wonder is, you know, and this comes into play with, like, the when people decide to short a company.  

[01:16:52] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:16:54] Jamon Fries:

I I I'm sure you're familiar with Oh, yeah. Of course. Of course. Okay.   So   you decide that you're going to destroy this company by shorting it. Mhmm.   But you're shorting   stocks, which have absolutely nothing to do with the company itself anymore.   So I'm Right. You know, I I understand how it destroys them because it it destroys their ability to   to get loans. Mhmm.   But no business   should be operating   on a debt to that extreme anyways.  

[01:17:34] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:17:35] Jamon Fries:

Especially if you're a strong company.  

[01:17:37] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[01:17:39] Jamon Fries:

And I I understand a little bit of the leveraging the debt, but that's the individual's leveraging debt. It shouldn't be the company itself   doing that. I can see that. I can see that. But now you have construction industries where they take a loan before they even start building a building so that they can build the building. Right. They sell the building, they pay it back, and then they take another loan so that they can build another building. Mhmm. Yep. And, I mean, it it's just a hugely   flawed,   in my opinion,   business model.  



[01:18:11] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I could see that. Yeah.   Well, I think that we've beaten that one to death.   Yeah. Just just a wee bit. Just a wee bit. Just a wee bit. Okay. Let's see here.   Apparently,   some Chinese defense scientists have said that   using AI,   it using AI, they may have   found a way to completely negate submarines.   Oh, really? Yeah. They they they said using AI,   submarines have a, like, a five percent survival chance.   Damn.   Yeah. Yeah. They they have all this gobbledygook about how it I wonder how accurate that is. Yeah. I see. That's the thing. I don't know. I I have no clue. Yeah. It's AI modeling and everything like that. So I I I really don't know. I think you'd have to prove it.  

[01:19:04] Jamon Fries:

But And, unfortunately, the only way to prove it would be to just   eliminate all the submarines. Yeah.  

[01:19:11] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Let's go to war just to prove them right or wrong. Just give the previous scientists right. We're gonna go to war. Mhmm. Mhmm.   We're wrong. You know? It could be wrong too. You know? It's  

[01:19:23] Jamon Fries:

Well, I mean, the only way that you would do it well, yeah, I suppose we could go to war to prove them wrong. They would go to war to prove them right. Right. Exactly.  

[01:19:31] Jesse Fries:

Either way, you know, you're still proving it one way or the other. You know? So Yep. Yep.   Let's see here.   Do you have anything science or whatnot? Or I I could I could do. I I could actually   well, let let me talk about Tylenol real quick. Okay.   So so   I saved this from last time I forgot to talk about it.   But, basically, you know, the whole idea of, it causes   autism or whatnot, you know, ADHD,   many different, actually, things. You know? It's   Tylenol there for a while. They   they they actually had a tweet. They had a tweet where it says we don't actually this was, like, from 2017.   We actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant.  

Thank you for   it's   it really hasn't been studied, and the studies that have been there   show that there   might be something there. There might be some complications Yeah. In pregnancy. Yeah. Might be. But it could it might also just be like a combo hit   to where   it causes a issue with your immune system   that while it's in your system and then you also get a vaccine that the combo hit could cause. Yeah. There's many different ideas about it, but there's it there is   something there.   Right? I I don't know   I I don't know what, because I'm not a scientist or anything like that. But from everything I've seen, from what a lot of doctors have said, what a lot of people have said is that   there seems to be something there. That that's Yep. You you know? And so   when you see all these women on TikTok,   especially the pregnant ones that are just taking Tylenol just to   piss off from taking way too much Tylenol. No. Yeah. Exactly. And it's not a safe medication. It's No. 15 what was it? Like, 1,500 people died from overdoses in Yeah. Like, five years. You know? It's like It causes liver liver failure. Well, yeah, it is actually   for over the counter drugs, it is, like, one of the top for act actually being able to die from it. You know? Yeah. It's so yeah. It's not something that's taken care of. Close to being a controlled substance.  

Yeah. Yeah. So it's not something to take lightly or anything like that. No. No. Absolutely. And it's to me, it's not something to take to make a political statement.   No. No. I I find that   if you're doing that with a child in you  

[01:22:05] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   You you Well, especially   overdosing.   Can you imagine what it does to that child's liver if it does that much damage to yours? Yeah. It it could really just yeah. Yeah. It it yeah.  

[01:22:21] Jesse Fries:

Don't, people. You know, there's better ways to make political statements. I'm just saying dying for it is   not the way to go. It really is. No. No. It's   And and risking your child, you know, it it's like, okay. Maybe if you want an abortion, you know, I could   but  

[01:22:41] Jamon Fries:

I could see I mean, I suppose it can be a legal   way of having an abortion,  

[01:22:48] Jesse Fries:

overdose on Tylenol. In Texas. Yeah. But more than likely, you're gonna die too if you take that much. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:22:54] Jamon Fries:

Your liver is gonna be just as fucked up. Yeah. No. It's just not  

[01:22:59] Jesse Fries:

a good thing to to No. It's not.  

[01:23:03] Jamon Fries:

Okay. What you got? Alright. So I have one science and one technology still. Mhmm.   Well, not really technology. More of an op ed type thing. Okay. Okay.   The science is   I don't know.   Based on what I read,   we may never have to brush our teeth again.  

[01:23:31] Jesse Fries:

Oh,   that just sounds gross.   I know. I know.  

[01:23:37] Jamon Fries:

Okay. So what what really what what the article is really talking about is,   a guy has   has   invented a   formula that they can put   into   into and around   the part of the tooth where you put a cap, like a it like, say, a crown or Mhmm. You fill a cavity or, you know, you have to replace part of the tooth. It's like, you know, whatever.   Well, there it's it's been widely   known that in many of those cases,   you are going to get another cavity there. Okay.   Because the bacteria gathers there, and it's a it's a weak point of the tooth. No. Okay.   So this guy divented a paste that has titanium in it. Uh-huh.  

Pretty sure it's titanium anyways.   But   with this,   it is 100%   antibacterial.  

[01:24:40] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:24:42] Jamon Fries:

And un unlike   antibiotics,   a the bacteria cannot adapt to it.  

[01:24:51] Jesse Fries:

Oh, nice. Nice.  

[01:24:54] Jamon Fries:

Because it's not working it's it's not working from the inside so much. It's working from the outside.  

[01:25:00] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. It it Or something like that. No. Yeah. It it's kinda like copper or Yeah. Brass. Yes. Be   that's it's like,   to me, a bathroom should have that just in general Oh, yeah. Because it will kill all bacteria,   you know, after   a quick time, you know, so yeah.  

[01:25:16] Jamon Fries:

But yeah, so he so he's developed this into   a paste that you can put on your teeth   to protect to make it so that bacteria   cannot grow. It kills all the bacteria that   Which would   mean that that would be the one thing that I don't know.   That probably you'll still have to worry about plaque. So you'll still probably have to brush your teeth. But Okay.   You know, you won't you'll never have to worry about cavities at least if you if you cut your teeth with teeth with this stuff. Well, that's good. That's good. Yeah. It's, yeah. But he's also he's he's also thinking even more broad   Mhmm. In that, he can you can use it in   include this this,   compound into paints for the hospital.  

So that walls have are antibacterial.   Nothing can you know, just in anywhere that you want bacteria to be controlled,   you would be able to use this  

[01:26:17] Jesse Fries:

as he's as he's developed it. Okay. That is pretty cool. That is pretty cool.   Let's see here.   So,   apparently,   you know, these climate scientists, they they they they they just they just keep coming up with stuff. Right?   Right. So so so they did another one.   This one was   basically,   the the title was, how Earth's thermostat can melt function flipping global warming into ice age level cooling. So, basically,   they say they they now they're using a commune a a computer model to do this. Right. Because we know computer models are Oh, yeah. Very reliable. You know? Because Absolutely. Yes. They they said we're we were supposed to be, like, so many degrees above whatever, and we've only, like, ticked up point one degrees Celsius in a decade. Yeah. You know,   of actual observe   observed, temperatures and everything like that. Yeah. There there are many islands that according to the models should not be above water anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they get visas now to Australia because of it.  

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.   As as way of reparations for them, apparently. Yeah. But anyways, yeah. So a computer model says   now that global warming can cause global cooling.   So,   you you know, I I   you know, there I I have already I've given up on nutrition scientists.   Right. I I really have. I I just don't care what you say. Oh, yeah. I'm just gonna eat what I eat because everything is gonna kill me, and then everything's gonna be healthful to me. Yeah. You know? So I I I just Yes. I just don't care what nutrition scientists say anymore. It's like, I I don't care. I'm gonna eat what I eat, and I'll live to be 70, maybe 80. Nineties if lucky, probably not. And then, you know, I'll die. You know?   It's just what is good of me. You know? And, you know, I think I'm the same way with climate scientists now. You know? Because their models are saying everything. It's Oh, yeah.  

Yeah. Global warming to get global warming is that makes sense. Right?  

[01:28:27] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, I I knew that that was that something like that was probably gonna come around the day that they stopped saying   that it was global warming instead it was climate change. Yeah. Yeah.   You know, I mean, I because my argument was has always been,   if man is doing this by pollution,   why is it that sometimes we get colder?   Mhmm.   And yet they so whenever I say that, everybody says, well, we don't call it global global warming anymore. It's climate change now. Yeah. Because I'm like, yeah. But it's still the same   concept.  



[01:29:08] Jesse Fries:

Same concept. They just realized that they they've been caught.   Yeah. You know? And so they had to do a brand change. That's all it is. Yep. Yep. Still just these people. This is what it is. There's fluctuations.   And you move on with life. We're all gonna be fine. Absolutely.   You you know, it's like,   apparently, right now, we're, like, what, about 400, 500 parts per whatever of carbon, you know? Something like that.   Go back   to, like, I don't know, plasticine or whatnot. You know? It was, like, 2,000,   you know, age of the dinosaurs,   you know? And it would the world was flourishing, you know? There was   so much   flora and so much fauna. You know? We were you know?  



[01:29:49] Jamon Fries:

So, yeah, we won't starve people. Don't worry. We we we might have more food. We might be able to support more people if it warms up. You know? It's the cooling aspect. And the the the thing is is that both ways, we don't have to worry too much. No. We don't. We don't. Because they're, you know I I was watching a video and I thought it was pretty cool.   They're finding all sorts of cities   that   are in oceans   Mhmm.   Which means that at one point in time,   they weren't in the ocean.  

[01:30:20] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.  

[01:30:23] Jamon Fries:

And so that would be during the times of the   huge glaciers, the ice ages, and stuff like that.   But yet there but there also,   as glaciers are receding, we're uncovering   more signs of humanity there. Yep. Therefore, no matter how cold we get, no matter how hot we get,   to a certain extent. I mean, if it gets too if it gets so hot that you that it can't just can't sustain life, then, you know, there's no problem. We're nowhere close to that. No. No. We're not even close.   So so until as long as we stay within the life   bearing re regions   Uh-huh. Yep. Temperature ranges,   we don't have to worry about shit. The world is going to change. Yep. That's a natural progression of the world.  



[01:31:12] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.   Exactly.  

[01:31:15] Jamon Fries:

May we we may have to move New York City or Miami.   Oh, wow. You know, they may have to move inland a little bit.   But Or move outward. Or move out.   Depending on depending on where where we go because, you know, there's   some thoughts that right now we're just in a slow in a small warming trend   before a deep ice age again. Yep.  

[01:31:39] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.   Yeah. Also I mean, nobody knows. Yeah. Also, they have, they they say they have found a new well, they found it, like, back in the nineties or something like that. But they have finally used computer modeling   to now reconstruct   a crushed   million year old skull.   And, the skull was found in China or in Asia in China in 1990. Okay.   And so, basically,   it's it was, like, completely crushed. So Yeah. I I I they they say it it's like in between   on the evolutionary thing, and and they say that it shows   that life that humanity   possibly didn't come from Africa or maybe it started in two different spots.  

Yada yada yada.   I Yeah. You know, it's like, that's fine, but I think   most   anthropologists will say Africa,   you know, maybe some   will say this. But I really think it it's like a Chinese push   to Oh, yeah. Say that we are the best. We're the first humans. This is where humanity began.   You you know, they're building a civilization. They're trying to build an empire. You know, this is what empires always do. They go, we are the best. Oh, yeah. Around the longest. China's history is by far one of the longest histories on the planet. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt.   And so I think they're just trying to extend it even further than that because it's a it's a crushed skull. It's like Yeah. I'm not sure.  

I'm sure you believe,   computers can tell you what it looks like and whatnot, but if it's crushed,   from a million years ago,   I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. And you don't know where how it got there? You know? I it's like Yep.   I don't know. I I I have questions is all I'm saying.  

[01:33:31] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Absolutely. Question everything.  

[01:33:35] Jesse Fries:

That's what I say. That's what I say. Yeah. Yeah.   The only mindset that anyone should should hold to. That's what I think. You said you had a tech?   It's more op ed than tech. Okay. Let's go with it. I just got one more funny story before the end. So Okay.  

[01:33:54] Jamon Fries:

So this guy, he's a famed roboticist,   believes that the humanoid robot bubble is doomed to burst.  

[01:34:04] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I can see that. Why His reasoning  

[01:34:07] Jamon Fries:

his reasoning for it is because   no matter how in-depth you get,   you cannot put enough sensors in a hand or on a foot   Mhmm. To be able to mimic human  

[01:34:24] Jesse Fries:

abilities. We we we don't have the possibility to do that yet. No. Not not yet anyways. Mhmm. Because the  

[01:34:31] Jamon Fries:

the the human hand   has 17,000   specialized   touch receptors.  

[01:34:39] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Wait. It does. You know, it it's   it's crazy what we can detect with our hands. Yeah. No. Yeah. It it's insane.  

[01:34:50] Jamon Fries:

But, I mean, so   so just that aspect and also the aspect of in order for a bipedal   robot that's walking to be able to stay upright Uh-huh.   It uses about   it did well, the article just says it uses   massive amounts of energy   into just staying upright.   I can see that. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, that you've you've got little balancers and stuff like that that are all firing to keep you upright. Yeah. Yeah.   The other problem is that because you've got all that going on to keep it upright,   when it falls,   it's extremely   dangerous to anyone around it. Right. Because it's heavy.  

Yeah.   It'll kill somebody if they fall on if it falls on you. Yeah. It'll kill a baby. Sure will. Yeah.   Yep. Yep. Yep. And so so he thinks that based on based on all of these facts,   we'll most likely go to a point get to a point where   the, quote, unquote, humanoid robots will actually have wheels and potentially multiple arms with specialized sensors,  

[01:36:02] Jesse Fries:

and it was completely abandoned in the human form. No. I could see that. I could see that. Or it it would be, like, for functions. So it's, like, kinda like,   like, in Star Wars, you have all these different robots.   There are some humanoid ones, but they have all these different shapes and everything like that. Yeah. And And they all have special interests. Yeah. You you know, it's like it's like a Roomba or whatnot. You know? We Yep. It doesn't need to be more than what it is.  

[01:36:30] Jamon Fries:

Right. Yeah. And and, you know, that that's the that's the one thing that I was that's that's always confounded me. Mhmm. You know, I hear people talking about how they're gonna put these robots into the into the workforce,   and they're gonna re they're gonna put humanoid robots into the workforce. They're training their hands to be able to sew and stuff like this. Yeah. Yeah.   Well, why I mean,   just   make a sewing machine automated and you're fine. Right? Exactly. You know, you don't need to you don't need to build a machine and then put a robot in front of the machine to do it, to to operate the machine. That just makes absolutely no sense. You you don't need to reinvent the wheel. You know? No.   Definitely not.  

Yeah. I don't need to At this point, you're buying two robots  

[01:37:18] Jesse Fries:

to do the same freaking job. No. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, you know, it's   you know, I I really think   I really think Star Wars kinda had it right, which is weird because they weren't really into the whole science of it. But they had all these different droids.   But then the humanoid ones were the ones that interacted with humans, like, as interpreters, like CPO and whatnot. It's like the ones it's like when you They were the one they were the only ones that actually spoke   human language. No. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's like if you wanted   to care for elderly.  

Yes. Or if you're lonely, you want,   you would you would definitely want a humanoid. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. You you know, or, you know, you go down the adult way if you want, like, a robot processor. Yep. Yep. You would probably want a human one. Hopefully, you don't want a goat one. You know? Yeah. Absolutely.  

[01:38:12] Jamon Fries:

But at the same time, for fixing a car,   you would want a small robot that can actually go under the car Uh-huh. To do everything. No. It makes sense. You don't want it to have to lay down and get on a on a roller just like a human has to. You make it simple.  

[01:38:30] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. I I'm right with you on that one. I am right with you on that one. It's   yeah. Yeah. No. It's,   it  

[01:38:39] Jamon Fries:

it doesn't need to be humanoid to No. It doesn't. I would say that In in fact, in many ways, I think I think I think the humanoid form  

[01:38:50] Jesse Fries:

would actually limit its ability to do what you want it to do. No. Exactly. Exactly. I I I agree. I agree. You know, it's like have robots of all shapes and sizes, you know, and Yeah. Of course, for interaction with humans,   probably have humanoid.   Yep. But those don't have to do tasks really except for Right. Yeah. Picking up adults and, like, elderly. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We we we just fine. But Yep. Yeah. You you wouldn't need the preciseness or anything like that in that type of droid, you know. No. Absolutely. And and they wouldn't need to be  

[01:39:23] Jamon Fries:

bipedal necessarily. They could be wheeled. Yep.   Just have a humanoid  

[01:39:29] Jesse Fries:

top, you know. If that Yeah. Torso up. Yep. Yep. Yeah.   So maybe just prostitute ones would be anatomic. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.   And you and you can't and you can't say that wouldn't be because, you know, it's gonna I guarantee you. It's already happening, really. Yeah. You know, it's   a  

[01:39:48] Jamon Fries:

don't know why, but it is already happening. You know? So it's I think you you just take one of those sex dolls. You put a robot inside of it, and, yep, boom, you're done. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.  

[01:40:00] Jesse Fries:

In many different ways.   Absolutely.   Okay. You got anything else? No. I that's all I've got. Okay. Well, let's end up. This is a old story, you know, from, like, 2015 or something like that. Okay. But it's just funny because   the World Health Organization   had to tell people in   certain areas that have camels   that they need to stop drinking   camel urine   as a cure all.   Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah.   The story, it   it it even interviews   a person from that area   in the from The Middle East, and they're like, good.   You shouldn't be doing this. He goes, but it cures everything.   And they go,   no. It doesn't.  



[01:41:00] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Oh, no. No.  

[01:41:03] Jesse Fries:

Oh,   wow.   Yeah.   Yeah.   And with that, I'd like to thank you for joining us, for episode 66 of the minus meanderings. I'm Jesse Fries. And I'm Jamin Fries.   And we will see you all on Thursday.