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Episode 5 of the Mindless Meanderings Podcast.  Let's see how wrong we can be.

- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:19) Introduction and Weather Update

(00:01:02) Political News: Assassination Attempt on Trump

(00:04:21) Kamala Harris and Political Expediency

(00:07:23) Tariffs and Economic Policies

(00:14:26) RFK Scandal and Media Ethics

(00:18:18) Work Relationships and Social Dynamics

(00:26:04) AI and Machine Intelligence

(00:35:10) Nuclear Power and AI Energy Needs

(00:39:21) Dark Oxygen and Ocean Discoveries

(00:45:06) Space Exploration and Mars Mission

(00:53:39) In-Law Conflicts and Social Issues

(01:02:11) Political Polarization and Media Influence

(01:08:56) US Foreign Policy and Global Conflicts

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[00:00:19] Jesse Fries:

Good morning, everybody.   It is Wednesday. It looks like September 25th, and we are live with episode 5 of the mindless meanderings.   I'm Jesse Friese coming to you from Central Texas,   where it is 85 degrees outside. It was just 83 a couple minutes ago, but jumped 2 degrees.  

[00:00:40] Jamon Fries:

And I'm Jamin Friese coming from the great from the edge of the great   plains where it's not quite that that warm. It's we're only hitting 70 here. So, you know,   just just warm enough to be comfortable, just cold enough just cold enough that the air conditioner doesn't kick in to get rid of the munginess.  

[00:00:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Fun. Fun. Fine.   Yep.   Okay. So today, it looks like we'll start with some political news.  

[00:01:07] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's technically considered political. I   I I think it's a little bit different than that, though. Uh-huh.   So   you you know, the late the latest assassination attempt on Trump. Right.   Well, the   guy supposedly left some notes and some letters with someone that they knew Mhmm. That have been that that have been turned over to the Department of Dress of Justice.   And the Department of Justice   published   one page   of the note Uh-huh.   Which   they say it was because it starts off saying that he tried to assassinate Trump,   but he failed.  

And he's sorry for failing is basically what he said. Okay. But then in it's they they they they put it out completely unredacted,   completely uncensored   Mhmm. Where he offered a $150,000   to whomever can complete the job.  

[00:02:12] Jesse Fries:

What now?  

[00:02:14] Jamon Fries:

Yes.   Wow. So the person that tried to assassinate Trump put a put a bounty of a $150,000   on whoever can take out for whoever can take out Trump. Right. And the DOJ   announced it   unredacted.  

[00:02:31] Jesse Fries:

Oh, wow.   Wow.   Yeah.   That's kinda messed up you.  

[00:02:36] Jamon Fries:

There's other stuff that they didn't,   that they didn't publish, such as supposedly   on the second page,   he said that Iran was why he that Iran was behind him doing all this.  

[00:02:50] Jesse Fries:

So it's They completely hid that. So so   okay.  

[00:02:57] Jamon Fries:

But they don't hide   a bounty on a former president's  

[00:03:02] Jesse Fries:

head. That that's a bit odd. That's a bit odd not to hide a a bounty on somebody's head. Yeah. Yeah.   That's not good. Yes. So that that was absolute craziness, I thought. Yeah. That is crazy. That is crazy.  

[00:03:17] Jamon Fries:

But then maybe You know what I mean? It just  

[00:03:19] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:03:20] Jamon Fries:

It just kinda goes to show, you know, that's the DOJ is definitely out for Trump. We know that now for sure. They can't deny it. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:03:31] Jesse Fries:

I I guess. You know, may may they can always just say, oh, that was an error. We didn't mean to do that. No. No. No. So  

[00:03:39] Jamon Fries:

uh-huh. Yeah. Sure.   They redacted everything else. They didn't publish a few other letters that he had supposedly written.   And these letters were not written   after the assassination   attempt. So some people are theorizing that the other letters that that they said were were found Uh-huh. Were ones just in case the assassination   attempted had succeeded.   So it was kind it would have been kind of a cry for glory for having succeeded, they think is what the other letter would have been.  

[00:04:11] Jesse Fries:

Okay.   Interesting. Interesting.  

[00:04:13] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So I mean yeah. It just wow.  

[00:04:18] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That that that is crazy. That is crazy.   Yeah. I got a couple of things political when it comes to, like, the campaign.   Okay. Look look looks like, I ran across a column in the Los Angeles Times,   but it talks about how, Kamala Harris   is basically,   why she shifted, why she's so progressive or not so progressive now and everything like that. It keeps trying to explain why   she flip flops   so much. Okay.   Yeah. It basically goes it doesn't everybody know that, though? Right. But it it   in the end, it basically just comes down to they said it was for political expediency in the 2020 election, in the run up to the 2020 in the when she was actually running for president the first time. She was trying to get more progressive than the progressives   of the party.  

And so that's why she said all that no fracking and all this and everything like that. But, you know Oh, so that wasn't what she truly believed. It was just what she was saying to get elected.   Exactly. Exactly.   And the story goes   mhmm.   I mean, no. Go ahead with the story. Okay. Well, then the story goes on basically say saying that she's a prosecutor. And so even if you're a liberal prosecutor, you're more conservative than liberals because, well, you're just a prosecutor. And so because of that, she she doesn't really fall into the super liberal,   and so she was just   going that way because   of,   political expedience.  



[00:05:55] Jamon Fries:

What the hell does being a prosecutor have to do with anything? Well, being a prosecutor, you have to believe in law and order.  

[00:06:02] Jesse Fries:

Being an actual liberal, you really don't believe in law and order. You believe that everybody should have a chance. People shouldn't go to jail. This and so on and so forth.  

[00:06:13] Jamon Fries:

Well, yeah. I mean, that that is true. I mean,   Harris definitely wanted people in jail. I mean, you know, she was arresting   parents of kids who skipped school.  

[00:06:24] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And then what,   there've been stories of her   keeping people in jail just so that they could be used for slave labor. You know? There's been those stories too. You know? It's,  

[00:06:39] Jamon Fries:

extremely,   extremely tough on marijuana   and stuff like that. Yet now she's  

[00:06:44] Jesse Fries:

taught now she often jokes about smoking a blunt and stuff like that. Yeah. Which, you know, I really don't think she did. Personally, I don't think she has. I I I just I don't know either now. She she seems so uptight.  

[00:06:57] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   She she's not loose enough to have done that. No. Exactly.  

[00:07:02] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   You you know, it's,   but maybe she did just so she could loosen up. I don't know. But yeah. I thought that was kind of funny. It could be. It could be. Yeah.  

[00:07:11] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It absolutely is. Yeah.  

[00:07:14] Jesse Fries:

Just didn't make much sense to me.   You know? You know? Do you have anything else on the campaign   head?  

[00:07:23] Jamon Fries:

Well, you know, one thing, I keep hearing about and   it gets annoying. I I searched through   every, you know, preparing for the show. I'm looking through looking through Twitter and all that other stuff and, you know, by looking at a lot of other stuff.   And the one thing I keep hearing about lately is tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, how they're the world's worst thing and everything else like that. Oh, yeah.   But I don't understand   why people think that tariffs are so bad.   I mean,   tariffs are there   to make sure that   we can compete   if something is made locally. Right. Right.  

So, you know, they keep saying that that   a 20% tariff is a 20% income tax on the people   because   it'll it'll mean that the prices of everything go up. Mhmm. Yeah.   But   and and I, you know, I can't say they're lying because there are situations where that's where that's true. If there's nothing that that's competitive here in the US in that market, then yes. The tariff on that product would incur would it wouldn't necessarily increase the the cost because there's no competition for it. Right. Right. But if there's if there's if there's competitive competition within the   US on any product,   the foreign country the foreign companies   will not be able to just raise the price to to to make up the difference. They will have to eat some of that loss themselves   because the US won't the US companies, unless they're completely,   you know,   money grubbing,   you know, entities. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they won't they they won't have to increase their prices because they're not paying those tariffs. And the countries from overseas, they the companies that are from overseas   will   have to meet the price. Otherwise, no one will buy what they've got.  



[00:09:29] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. They it basically just comes down to, like, how you believe. Do you believe in a complete free market,   or do you believe   in,   like, control from the government and everything like that? You you know, tariffs, they've been used for good, they've been used for bad.   You know, it's,   it's like,   a classic example of some tariffs are back in the 1800, the England had the corn laws.   Basically, what basically, what these were were just,   tariffs   on, European grains so that they could inflate the cost   of   the grains coming from the English countryside.   Yeah. Yeah. But in the end, also,   what it did is it made grain more expensive than what it should have been,   which actually Oh, totally. Yes. Which actually created this,   fight in between industrialists   and,   the   landed gentry that actually owned that land and was sold selling that those that grain.  

And so there's this huge That's what it sounds. Yeah. Yeah. So there's this huge fight in between the industrialists   of the new industrial revolution   and the landed gentry.   Yep. And so, yeah, it really   created it was a back and forth, back and forth,   because the industrialists   to feed their workers, they would have to pay them more if the grain prices were high. But if the grain prices were low, then they wouldn't have to pay their workers so much.   Okay. And so there's this fight in between the 2.  

[00:11:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, you know, the the thing that really confuses me is, yes, Trump put tariffs on at when he went into office in 2018.   Mhmm.   And   but   Biden and his group have never   even   cut those tariffs even by half a percent.   He've let he's left all those tariffs in place. In fact, he even increased some of the tariffs on steel and aluminum   Mhmm. So that which, you know, everybody here in the US, the the auto manufacturers and stuff like that, they all loved that,   because, you know, there was   there there was less competition for from overseas that and because of that.  

[00:11:50] Jesse Fries:

Cool. Yeah. Plus   just recently, have you heard, that you know, so,   what was it? Trump, he he wanted to do a 100% tariff on EVs,   from China. Right?   Did you hear that Biden just   proposed to do the same thing?   Yes. Yes. I did hear that.   It it's insane.   It really is. And they were go they call Trump racist for doing that.   They do the same thing. It's like all the good ideas that the Democrats are coming out with seem to be Trump's ideas. It's kinda funny, really. You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he he often he often comments on that during his,  

[00:12:32] Jamon Fries:

during his rallies. He he often comments about how, you know, their their policies were so bad, they decided to adopt a mind to actually have a chance of winning.  

[00:12:40] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.   But I don't think they would actually do them. I think it's just the Yeah. Talk. It's just it's just lip service.   Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.  

[00:12:51] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, I mean, do you know what do you know why tariffs could have such a bad impression here in the US now? Why?   Because during the great depression,   for some god awful reason,   Republicans decided to put massive tariffs   on everything coming from overseas.   Well, the overseas was dealing with their own depression stuff. They didn't have   much anyways.   And so because the Republicans decided to put this huge tariff on them,   they started doing trade deals with amongst themselves and basically stopped trading with the US for quite a while. Yep. Yep.   And, you know, when when you're when when it's used   so badly in that kind of a situation,   it's not going to pull money in. If everybody is in a depression, you they're not going to   they're they're already cutting back on what they're sending us. It's not hard for them to find other places   that really want what they've   got.  



[00:13:59] Jesse Fries:

Right. Yeah. No. That I could see where that would be why we don't like tariffs. But, you know, tariffs,   it is a way to protect your own,   which is basically the reason for it is to protect your own industry and everything like that to actually ensure that you have an industry.  

[00:14:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   I mean, it's a it's a protectionist measure   in a in a world now where everybody thinks that protectionist is bad. Exactly. Exactly.  

[00:14:27] Jesse Fries:

So have you heard about the   the RFK   scandal that's been going on right now?   No. I have not. Okay. So there is this   lady,   her her name is Olivia Nuzzi,   n u z z I, or Nuzzi or something like that. But basically,   what it was is that she was a Washington correspondent. Right?   And for the New York magazine.   And   the way it works is that, basically, she came out and said that she had to   tell the magazine that she and, RFK   were in a relationship.   It had never gone anywhere, but it was like a mental relationship. And so she had to resign,   to get away from any, because she was covering RFK is what she says. Right?  

Okay. And so this whole came out. She she said that they sent, all these text messages back and forth and everything like that.   RFK side of it is a little bit different.   His is that she he met her once,   for interview, and then that interview just turned into a hit job, plain hit job from her against him.   And then he would get these   weird text messages   that kept getting more and more pornographic   from this lady to where now he's actually he's thinking about suing this woman   for actually doing this.   She thought they were in a relationship.   He's, like, going, what the hell?  

Because they met once.   They met once and had this text conversation back and forth, and he has no clue.   Or at least Zoe says, I I I'm not gonna pass any judgment, but it seems like,   I saw somebody call this lady a bunny boiler. So that was funny.  

[00:16:22] Jamon Fries:

That is hilarious. Yeah.  

[00:16:27] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:16:29] Jamon Fries:

So it is know, at at least she did the right thing and told her her company that she thought that they she was in a relationship.  

[00:16:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But it wasn't a relationship.  

[00:16:40] Jamon Fries:

This is it's Well, I mean, the the it's it's insane how how   people can consider themselves in a relationship   without actually being in a relationship.   It is funny. Yeah. It it's it's like on online, you know, I do a lot of online gaming and stuff like that. Uh-huh. And it's I I have always found it so amusing,   these people that have, like, marriages in the game and all that other bullshit. Mhmm. I mean, these people will never meet in real life.   But both at least one of them is probably already in a committed relationship  

[00:17:18] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:17:19] Jamon Fries:

In many cases.   And yet they're still doing stuff like marriage marrying each other in the game. It's it's their game life and stuff like that.   I I don't get it.   Are you that   are you that in need   of someone fawning over you?   Possibly. Because that's essentially all that happens.  

[00:17:44] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I could see that. I could see that. Yeah. It doesn't seem like the same thing as a work wife. Right? Work spouse. Do you know that Yeah. Term?  

[00:17:52] Jamon Fries:

Yes. I I have had a work spouse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Supposedly.  

[00:17:57] Jesse Fries:

It's basically just your friend that you hang out with. You know, you're always together and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. And so   but that seems Well,  

[00:18:05] Jamon Fries:

mine mine was was   one of my employees.   She was when I was a manager over at the call center. Right.   And she was one of my one of the agents under me. Oh, okay. I mean,   yeah, we just, we just always had just friendly banter and people started calling her my house, my, my work wife. That works. That works. And then she would, she would call herself my work wife and that I was her work husband and everything else like that. Yep. Yep. I mean,  

[00:18:33] Jesse Fries:

there was nothing special about it. No. Exact no. That's usually what it is. There's usually no nothing special about it.   I did there was this one   TikTok video. It was hilarious where the guy introduces,   his work wife to his wife,   and   it's like a real wife. You know? They they they went on trips and were doing it, and they have kids and everything like that. And the   the real wife is going, what? It's and the guys go, it doesn't matter. She's a work wife   and my work kids. Oh my god.   It was hilarious.  

[00:19:09] Jamon Fries:

Dad is no longer a work wife.  

[00:19:11] Jesse Fries:

It was funny, though. It it was good. Oh, yeah. I like that. It was good.  

[00:19:18] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. So I I've got a another little story here that,   I find really concerning.  

[00:19:25] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:19:27] Jamon Fries:

So the FCC   has   decided to fast track an approval   for George   Soros   to buy over   200   radio broadcast stations   Okay. Across the country. Uh-huh.   They're fast tracking it so that it's done before the election.   What now? Jesus Christ. Yes. And the the channels that he's buying,   they are they   they have prominent conservative pundits   such as Sean Hannity,   Mark Levin, Glenn Beck.   So George Soros,   huge democrat supporter Right. Is going to be the owner of the radio stations that they broadcast on now.  

[00:20:18] Jesse Fries:

Interesting.   Yeah.  

[00:20:20] Jamon Fries:

No. Yeah. It's And the fact that that, you know, it it I wouldn't even think about it except for the fact that they're fast tracking it. Yeah. That is weird. That is weird. To be done before the election. So, I mean, usually, the vetting and everything else like that, it's a it takes over a year to do. Right.   And a lot of the a lot of his a lot of the money that he's got that's gonna go towards this is from overseas investors.   So in some way, it it's gonna break the rule that the FCC has   about,   no more than 25%   can be owned by foreign investors. Uh-huh.  

But, of course, the breakdown of the voting in the FCC, there's 3 Democrats and 2 Republicans,   and it, of course, went 3 to 2 for their vote to fast track it.  

[00:21:12] Jesse Fries:

That is weird. That really is weird. Yeah.   Yeah.  

[00:21:20] Jamon Fries:

If you can't There's no shenanigans, Jamie. There there's no shenanigans.  

[00:21:24] Jesse Fries:

No. There's no there's no No.   Everything's on above board. Right? Yeah. That's Yeah.  

[00:21:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, it's like, I I heard something the other day that,   I can't remember who it was, but he was talking to JD Vance.   Mhmm. And Vance said something   kind of interesting.   Mhmm. He's like, if if you if you don't like someone, there's lots of different methods of censoring what they what they do and what they say. Mhmm. The first one is you you censor them in their in their broadcast that people can't hear what they're saying Right. Which Trump gets censored   crazy   crazy amounts or at least used to on x and everything else like that. Uh-huh.   Well, on that that time, Twitter.  

If that doesn't work,   then you start going after him going after them   legally.   Mhmm. If you can't if you can't shut them up, then you put them in jail.   Right. And if that doesn't work,   well, the ultimate form of censorship is by making it so that they no longer exist.  

[00:22:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That that that really is the way it is. You know? Hopefully,   p Diddy doesn't   commit suicide.  

[00:22:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I did I did hear that,  

[00:22:53] Jesse Fries:

that he thinks that they're poisoning his food. Yeah. I I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't doubt it possibly. Yeah. Because because they can't hang him because they already hung,   Epstein.   And and Diddy has has just as much dirt,   unless if he   but FBI may have all that dirt now. So I don't know if, if he set up a   scheme to where if something happens to him, things get released. That'd be the smart thing to do. But,  

[00:23:19] Jamon Fries:

It would be the very smart thing to do. Yeah. You you definitely have to have protection measures. Mhmm. Yep. Yep.   If you're gonna blackmail people, you absolutely have to have protection protective measures. I mean, there's there's nothing else you can do. Exactly. Protective   protective measures, you're dead. Exactly. When the people you're blackmailing are politicians   and,   you know, the   superstars.   Yeah. Exactly. They they have lots of money and can do whatever they want to. And everybody partied with pity,  

[00:23:51] Jesse Fries:

or did he have pity. Yep.  

[00:23:55] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Yeah.  

[00:23:58] Jesse Fries:

They did. Absolutely. Yes. So, yeah, Kamala, Trump, everybody, they partied with Disney. And,   must have been a heck of a party. I've  

[00:24:05] Jamon Fries:

it it absolutely.   I I find it so amusing that they're going through and, you know, the everyone on the left is showing pictures of republic of conservatives,   the with Diddy where they took pictures together. Everybody on the right is showing pictures of the people on the left in the pictures with Diddy. Uh-huh. And   I'm like, okay.   So   first of all,   yes.   If if what they say was happened was true, then it's absolutely reprehensible.   Mhmm.   But having a having taken a picture with someone in a public setting   is not   proof that they were down with Diddy. No. Exactly. Exactly. Yep. You know, I mean, all a lot of these pictures, you know, if   pictures, you know, if they're if they're pictures of them at one of these parties,   then absolutely they they were down with Diddy. But, you know, they've got pictures of Diddy with Trump. I I don't know if Trump was actually involved in all the parties or anything. It wouldn't surprise me if he was, I mean, you know, back in the day.  

But all of the pictures that they have of Diddy with Trump   are from a very long time ago. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Back when Trump was still young.   And, you know, there's nothing current,   so   I don't know.   I have no idea.   No clue. But just because there's a picture of No. Exactly. With him in a public setting, it doesn't mean that they were down with him. I mean, I have seen pictures of of people that absolutely hated each other  

[00:25:43] Jesse Fries:

smiling and hugging each other for for the camera. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Plus, you just take so many pictures. It's, oh, you're famous. Take a picture with me. Oh, you're famous. Take a picture with me. And so on and so forth. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.  

[00:25:55] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It happens all the time. It means absolutely nothing. Any none of those pictures mean anything.  

[00:26:01] Jesse Fries:

That is true. That is true.   Let's see here.   I ran across an interesting,   interview   about,   AI.   Okay. It was,   let's see here. It's an interview,   I'm pulling it up,   with a professor of machine intelligence, Neil Lawrence.   Okay. It was an interesting,   thing.   And basically what he says is that   AI is   it's a different type of intelligence than we are. It's if you can even call it intelligence.   It   and   but, unfortunately, humans always try to   anthropomorphize   everything. Right? We try to make it seem like human and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. With animals, with anything. Exactly. Exactly.   But it's different.  

It's   kinda like   how he he said that   if you take, like, evolution,   evolution is kind of a type of intelligence because life is slowly changing to adapt   to new   environments, to new things. Yeah. So it has this new input and so life,   comes up with things that will allow it to survive in those type of types of same things. And so it's an intelligence,   but on a much   slower scale   that we cannot fully comprehend.   We just can't comprehend that how slow that type of intelligence is.   Yeah.   And he says that computer intelligence is exactly the same, but in reverse to where   it can communicate   so fast   that   it is hard for us to comprehend because it can, like,   move at a 100000000 times more than what we can do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. The neurons in the brain will never fast will never move as fast as the electricity in the in the computer chip. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And plus just communicating with each other, 2 computers communicating with each other Yeah. Is a lot faster than me and you communicating right now. They're much faster. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah.  

But what AI does do,   he says, is that it allows us to talk directly with computers.   Before this, we would always have to do, like, go through Google, go through Microsoft, go through all these   other sources to try to find information, and then they would have to be a slow process back to us.   Right. But   when we're actually   directly talking with AI and telling it what we want and everything like that, it can quickly do it real quick. And so we are directly   talking to the computer itself,   not talking to   Google that is talking to the computer, that sort of thing. Yeah. Well, I I noticed that with,  

[00:29:02] Jamon Fries:

with the search engine that I use, I don't use Google or anything like that.   I I use a very, very small unknown   well, not really unknown because I've found it through the Internet, of course.  

[00:29:15] Jesse Fries:

Brave? Oh, yeah. I think everybody knows Brave. Yeah. Really?  

[00:29:19] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I've never heard about it before. Okay.   But it it there it has its good sides and it has its down it has its bad sides. Right. But that's that's the Internet Explorer. That's the, Internet Explorer that I use is Brave.   Well, the web browser, not an Internet Explorer. Explorer.   The web browser I use is Brave. And   every time every time I do a search,   the very top thing is always   just kind of an amalgam amalgamation   of   all of   the different search results   that the AI system has pulled up to to say this is what most likely some people say this though Okay. You know, about any topic. So Mhmm. I mean yeah. It it it makes things so much faster because I don't have to go individually searching   every single result. I can find   I can usually find basically what I wanna know   just because the AI has searched all the different websites out there that it that it goes through. Mhmm. Okay. And tells me what what it found. So I that that's   that is one helpful use to it for to it for me.  

I dislike   Brave's   search engine though because it only shows me usually about, like, 15   results. It doesn't show any more than that, and it doesn't have a button to start to show more.  

[00:30:51] Jesse Fries:

Maybe you should use more than just one,  

[00:30:54] Jamon Fries:

search engine then. Well, yeah. I I usually go to I I'll go to duck duck go. I'll go to Google. I'll go to a whole bunch of them just to Makes sense. To find more more things. But,   yeah. So   so, yeah, it's it's not surprising about AI with that, and that is exactly what AI does. It makes it so we can communicate with computers faster because  

[00:31:17] Jesse Fries:

we don't have to manually search for everything anymore. Yep. Yep. He he in the interview, he also talked about how,   basically, AI is just programmed by socially inept people.   Yeah.   And so because of that,   it it could it it's really good at, like, chess and the game go and so on and so forth. But it,   like, social skills,   it it has, like, no social skills. It has no social intelligence.   Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah.   It it it also some of the limitations it has is also based off of   that it's basically immortal. It doesn't have our same   fears or the same things that attack us. We have to be intelligent about, and it doesn't have those same things. And so Yeah. Because of that, it has some limitations,   but then also that could also be a positive in certain circumstances as well.  

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But the fact that we're gonna die,   and everything like that   can actually   cause us to have a higher intelligence   because we can think really quickly. Like, we can process information really, really quickly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We just can't communicate it quickly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yep.   But yeah. So I thought that was kinda fascinating,  

[00:32:34] Jamon Fries:

to look. Yeah. That that definitely is.   Definitely a good look in the   under the hood of AI. Exactly.  

[00:32:42] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   While we're still talking Speaking is Hold hold on. I I was thinking maybe what we could do here is, we can do,   the value for value, talk about funding, and then after that, we can go back and do some more stuff, talk about more stuff. Okay.   So, here at the Mindless Meanderings, we use the value for value model.   This means that   you are producers of the show and you can help us with all aspects of the show.   This has been described as time, talent, or treasure, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak from No Agenda. If you guys know them, it's a great podcast. You should check it out, but you can help out by doing anything for us, basically, that is within your wheelhouse. You can do some art for us. You can create some jingles for the show. That'd be great.   You can send us ideas and information for the topics that we cover and those topics that you might want to hear about.  

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[00:35:14] Jamon Fries:

Well, I I have another story related to AI. Okay.   So,   you know, a the   AI consumes   a lot of power today. Right? Right.   Microsoft   is now trying to   get   the 3 Mile Island nuclear generators   to power back up  

[00:35:39] Jesse Fries:

to run their AI. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that. I heard that. And, actually, it's not just Tri. They're they're doing it from what I understand. Well, the they they haven't gotten the, new the nuclear regulatory commission  

[00:35:51] Jamon Fries:

hasn't approved it yet. So it's not Ah, okay. It's not up and running you just yet, but they are attempting to to get that route.   Okay. The problems that they're running into with it though is   up to date. The they have never approved   any recommissioning   of a non of an uncommissioned,   nuclear reactor before. Right. Right.   So   I don't know if they'll be able to to get it go if they'll be to be able to get the the approval for it or not, but,  

[00:36:23] Jesse Fries:

I found that amusing. Yeah. No. Hopefully they do. Hopefully they do. Yeah. Because nuclear is the way to go in my book. Plain and simple. Oh, abs absolutely. I just find it amazing that,  

[00:36:33] Jamon Fries:

you know, Microsoft,   Amazon, all these companies, which are extreme liberals usually Right.   Who   I don't know if they themselves were part of helping to shut down the nuclear reactor in California.   Yeah. But I know I know that they prob I mean, there's a good likelihood that they supported shutting that one down.   Well, right. Right. Because it's over in Pennsylvania.   Hey. You know, we want that nuclear power to to   Amazon   Amazon made a deal with a with a current nuclear power plant to to turn one of the buildings real close to them into a into a big AI,   warehouse.  

Yeah. Well, it it makes sense. It's clean energy. Absolutely. The it there is no cleaner energy. Exactly. Because it has it has very little   downside to it. Yep. Yep. And it produces   a lot of constant power.  

[00:37:31] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly.   Which renewables cannot do. They cannot create No. They can't.   They cannot create stable power. So   No. No. Yep. No. It's solar  

[00:37:42] Jamon Fries:

clouds with wind with wind, there's lack of wind.  

[00:37:46] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. I heard that the the reactor, it's it's not the same reactor at Three Mile Island that had the issue. It's a different reactor Right. Yeah. I know. That never had any issues.   So Yeah. But then also I heard that, Germany is actually trying to restart their nukes.   Because Really? Yeah. Remember after Fukushima or whatever it was,   they really   they really, like, shut down their entire nuclear,   power. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. They just shut it down. Germany had freaked out, and they go, no more nuke.   But now apparently,   they are   wanting   to get those back in back up and going. So  

[00:38:25] Jamon Fries:

Well, it's amazing how important it is to have   energy that is consistent.  

[00:38:31] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.  

[00:38:33] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. And large amounts of it. I mean, how many coal how many coal plants could one nuclear plant replace?  

[00:38:40] Jesse Fries:

I mean, it it's gotta be a lot. It it's a few. Yeah. It's a few at least. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, they're they're bringing back all these old power generation. What, where you are in Kansas, they they're   reopening 1. Right? For   I haven't heard about that. No. I don't know. Yeah. It's just on the car there on the Kansas River.   They're reopening 1, I think, by DeSoto or something like that.   They're reupping 1. I think it's for AI as well, possibly,  

[00:39:09] Jamon Fries:

if my memory serves. Well, you know, that is that that is a huge drain on electricity. Yeah. But that one is a coal. Really need it. Yeah. That one's a coal,  

[00:39:17] Jesse Fries:

plant. So Yeah.   I don't know.   Speaking of energy, speak well, not really energy, I guess. Yeah.   But anyways,   have you heard of dark oxygen?   No. I've never heard that term before. Okay. Well, apparently, it's this thing that they found in the bottom of the ocean,   in the dark seabed of the Pacific Oceans, Calarian Clipperton zone, apparently.   Okay. They're they're it's littered with, like, hunks of charcoal. Right? So there's this guy who is   testing just doing studies at the very bottom of the ocean. Right?  

[00:39:55] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:39:56] Jesse Fries:

And   what he found out is that   he found this material, it's a mixture of,   like, cobalt   and manganese   and whatnot.   But basically,   it creates oxygen.   It can actually create oxygen just on the bottom of the sea floor. Yeah. Yeah. He would test it by because he wanted to   see   something about oxygen levels at the bottom of the sea floor. What would happen if you just completely cleared it off? And it just kept go the auction level just kept going up and up in his controlled areas.   Oh, wow.   Or her, maybe Lisa. Lisa Levin, I think is her name or his or Andrew Andrew Sweetman, something like that.   Oh, Andrew Sweetman. Yeah. There we go. The he was the deep sea ecologist.  

Okay. But yeah. Yeah. It's quite the fascinating thing. Apparently, this material has been known as batteries   for a while because it gives off like an electric charge.   Okay. And so they figure that what it's doing is it's taking the seawater   and breaking it   electrically.   So it's taking out the,   like, well,   splitting the hydrogen from the oxygen.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So  

[00:41:16] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Well, this is cool. It's interesting. Right?  

[00:41:19] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what the levels are and everything like that. Because my my the first thing that came to my mind is maybe like space flight or something like that. You wouldn't have to maybe carry as much oxygen. I don't know what the level is. It might not even be feasible, but maybe you could learn something from it. You know? It's a Yeah. If if it's if it's a if it's a quick enough react, if it's a good enough strong enough reaction,  

[00:41:41] Jamon Fries:

I mean, you could go both directions. You could go,   up in space, you know Right. Easily create oxygen.   Although to do that, you would also need to you'd need to transport a lot more water than than you normally would need to. Right. So I don't know I don't know if that would pan out.   But think about, you know, one thing that I've always wondered is why   don't we put any why don't we ever build anything down on the sea on the seabed floor? Mhmm. You know, why don't you know, we we do all this mining and stuff like that under you know, the oil drilling and stuff like that where we've got this pipe that comes all the way up to a platform above the that's standing up above the ocean.  

[00:42:25] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:42:27] Jamon Fries:

Wouldn't it be make more sense to put it on the seabed rather than have this long pipe run up to the   to the plant?   I mean, because,   you know, you you can control a blowout   very easily if you're right there on the surface of, you know, blowouts here up on up here on land. They're nothing. You know, we deal with that's dealt with on a regular basis   because it's not a matter of a pipe coming up that whereas a blowout on the in the oil rigs out on the seas,   it means oil goes everywhere.  

[00:43:00] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:43:02] Jamon Fries:

So if we if we could figure out a way to put a community down there and put the oil would drink the oil,   rig equipment and and personnel down down on the on the seabed,   then there wouldn't be this long pipe that you'd have to worry about anything   outside of,   you know, in from the pulling the oil up from the ground. Now transporting it over to somewhere else, you would have to, but you don't really deal with blowouts and stuff like that in that. That's all very well controlled.  

[00:43:31] Jesse Fries:

Interesting. Yeah.  

[00:43:36] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So, you know, that would be a but one of the one of the good problems that I always had with figuring it with with thinking about that was, you know, you'd have to pump oxygen down in there regularly and that's   you you know, you could easily   take out an oil rig by simply cutting off its oxygen supply. Oh, yeah. Completely. So   so with this, but with this, you could create your own oxygen down there. You have a constant supply of water so you never have to worry about running out of water. So if it produces enough oxygen,   it would make it survive it would make it so that we could have that kind of an under underwater   environment   that   that would be usable.  



[00:44:18] Jesse Fries:

That makes sense. That makes sense. I wonder yeah. But I guess it all just depends on how fast they how fast they can actually do anything like that. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh-huh. It all depends on how how fast it can it can convert water into oxygen.  

[00:44:33] Jamon Fries:

What it does with the hydrogen afterwards   would also be   somewhat issue. But but then again, we use hydrogen for a lot of stuff. So, you know, you could capture the hydrogen as well.   But yeah. I mean, it just   I I think that's awesome. I Yeah. It it really does. It there's it opens up a lot of possibilities. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Exactly.   Speaking of possibilities in space Uh-huh. Did have you heard,   what Elon Musk when how long it Elon Musk thinks it's gonna take to go to Mars now? No.   He recently posted on on x   that   that   now he didn't say this outright, but   I'm inferring   that he's say that he's saying if Trump gets elected.  



[00:45:25] Jesse Fries:

Of course. Because  

[00:45:27] Jamon Fries:

if that happened, then, you know, there'd be a lot less regulatory pressure on him. He'd be able to basically do what he wants today.   But he he says that within 2 years, he wants to   launch unmanned vessels to Mars.   Okay. Have them land on Mars and, you know, basically just be the testing phase. Right. Right. If nothing goes wrong with that,   he wants to have the first manned flight in 4 years   to Mars.  

[00:45:58] Jesse Fries:

Oh, nice. Nice.  

[00:46:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   That'd be cool. That would be cool. That would be. Yeah.   Yeah. So, you know, the the the the second part was all dependent on everything going right the first time. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I mean, that's kind of the way it works. You know, you've got, the Boeing   the Boeing,   space shuttle that didn't really perform as it was supposed to. I thought that was Boeing. So, you know, it's a Well,   yeah, I I actually I read something interesting about that. Uh-huh.   It was talking about when when there was a big shift in in Boeing's focus. Uh-huh.   Because, you know, before,   Boeing used to all be all about   quality before the dollar. Right. Right. We wanted to make sure that the quality was perfect before we made before we were concerned about if we made money or not. Well, it makes sense in the when human safety   is Oh, absolutely. I mean, you you they're they're building the rockets that launch people that launched people up into space. You know, they're building all the airplanes.  

It makes absolute sense that quality is, like, should be the most important thing. Exactly.   But there's been a slow paradigm shift,   and this happened ever since Boeing bought out McConnell   Douglas.  

[00:47:23] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:47:24] Jamon Fries:

McConnell Douglas was all about the dollar instead of the instead of the   instead of the quality.   Right. And Boeing has gradually made that shift to where it's now more about money   than ensuring the quality.  

[00:47:40] Jesse Fries:

Interesting.   Interesting.   Makes sense. It really does make sense. Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely.  

[00:47:47] Jamon Fries:

But,   yeah. So that was that was interesting.   I guess this,   the   in all of their tests that they've run a a whole bunch of tests with the with the shuttle that that they sent up. Mhmm.   Almost every single one of them has had flaws in roughly the same area.  

[00:48:07] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:48:08] Jamon Fries:

And what they think they they can't they have absolutely no way of proving this, but what they think happened now   was that a nylon   washer or something like that Uh-huh.   Expanded   due to the heat,   cutting off I can't remember if it was the fuel or the oxygen supply to the fuel,   which made it set the thrusters were no longer completely operational.  

[00:48:34] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:48:36] Jamon Fries:

But   they can't test it. Right. Because the portion of the the the vessel that that's on   is gonna burn up in reentry. The the this is going to or already has burnt up in reentry.  

[00:48:50] Jesse Fries:

Sounds about right. Sounds about right.   How they figure things out is kinda crazy.   It's it's like It really is. Yeah. It's like   they figured they figured out why the Challenger exploded. You know, it's kinda crazy. It's like going, how do you figure that out? That thing went I remember seeing that as a kid in school. Just There was nothing left to that thing. Well,   small pieces apparently.   Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:49:16] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   But, no, I mean, they they couldn't recreate it here on earth. They couldn't they they tried to before before sending the shuttle back Uh-huh. They tried to recreate everything,   but they could never get the engine to do the same exact thing. Okay. So,   yeah, I don't know if it if it was because it was in a,   in a   where there was absolutely zero atmosphere. Maybe the heat didn't dissipate like it normally would Right. Right. Or something. I I have no idea. But, yeah, that's the a nylon bearing or a a nylon,   washer or something like something along those lines.  

It was what caused all that to happen.  

[00:49:56] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Which caused Gilligan Space Station,   basically.   Yes. Exactly.  

[00:50:03] Jamon Fries:

Which which is, you know, the the consequences of that is the 4 man crew that was supposed to go up with SpaceX   turns into a 2 man crew. No. Exactly. Exactly.  

[00:50:16] Jesse Fries:

That's a perfect example. So Gilligan Space Station. I like it. I like it. Yep. That that's a good one. Yeah.  

[00:50:27] Jamon Fries:

In in the article that I was reading about that, they also talked about,   how   great how how   this was coming from,   people in NASA that were talking about their dealings with Boeing and their dealings with SpaceX.  

[00:50:41] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:50:42] Jamon Fries:

When dealing with SpaceX, the SpaceX personnel, they said were very inquisitive. They wanted to hear everything that we had to say. They kept asking us questions. Whereas the people from Boeing   were kinda like, yeah. We know. We don't have to worry about that.   Yeah. We know. We we we've got it covered. We've been doing this for so long. We we we already know we're we know what we're doing, so we don't have we don't need your input.  

[00:51:05] Jesse Fries:

That is crazy.   Sounds about right, though. Yeah. Yeah. It really does. Yeah.   Yeah.   It's,   I I I I know a guy who,   at least used to work for,   the supplier for Boeing, that, Spirit.   Yeah. Yeah. It looks like he finally jumped ship. So now he's got a good he he I I won't say, like, where he went or anything like that, but apparently, he's with a different company now. So   yep.  

[00:51:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So good for him. Probably a good a good idea for him to to jump ship.  

[00:51:39] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.  

[00:51:42] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And and, you know, the the thing that I find the most surprising is,   you know, so Elon Musk and and SpaceX,   they got, what, maybe a quarter of the total government funding whereas Boeing got everything else. Right.   And yet   SpaceX   has produced very good results Yep. And has   been flying multiple missions, not only here in not only for the US, but for other countries as well. Yep.   And yet Boeing   is still trying to get even more funding now because they've spent everything they had,   and they need to spend a lot more now to fix what was what went wrong so they can actually pass their test. Because they even they this was the test run. That's why there were 2 people on it instead of 4.   Mhmm.  

This was their test to get approved   to to put men in to put people into space.   Right. And it failed miserably.   It did. So they have to they have to redo everything. They have to go through the two man test again   before they could get before they can possibly get authorized.   But that means that the government is gonna have to give them more money because they've spent everything.  

[00:53:00] Jesse Fries:

Well, it makes sense to me. You know, that that's how government works. Right?  

[00:53:04] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But I mean, you know, if if you can't build something   with the budget that you're given and considering that it's 3 times roughly 2 to 3 times larger   than what your competition was given, and they've already passed all their tests.   I'm I'm with you. I'm with you. Should the should the government even really be looking at working with them anymore?  

[00:53:26] Jesse Fries:

Unfortunately, that's how the government works. It's,   I know. I know. Yeah. Boeing is,   it's got issues. It's got issues. Yep.   Let's see here. Beyond that,   I ran across a funny,   study.   Looks like they looked at, like,   how many people get in fights with their in laws.   Apparently, it's quite high. Yeah. Yeah.   Survey,   conducted August 27th to 29th sample 1,000 Americans   found that 31%   argue with their in laws about politics.   22% of the time is about lifestyle choices,   and then,   21%   is about romantic partners,   But   yeah. Sounds about right. Sounds about right.  

[00:54:22] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I noticed money is not in there anywhere.  

[00:54:26] Jesse Fries:

Money money is 19%.   Parenting decision, 18%, cultural issues, 14%.   Home related issues, 13. Gender or sexuality.   Okay. Gender and sexuality, that boils down to roughly what the LGBTQ   is, about 3% of the population. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a give or take a few percentage here or there. But yeah. Yeah.  

[00:54:53] Jamon Fries:

Who who would ever imagine with as much as you hear it in the news and see it on the on TV and you see it in all the movies and all the TV series   that LGBT   was only 3% of the population.  

[00:55:07] Jesse Fries:

Well, it's always been that. Yeah. It's, for Yeah.   Just going back,   it's   around that. It's a give or take a percentage here or there.   But yeah. It nowadays with the whole transgender   and, everything like that about how you feel about things, of course, it's changing a bit and how it's becoming a little bit larger because it's just about how you feel on that given day.   It's   yeah, of course, that number will change. But just in general,   it's roughly about 3%   transgender,   like actual trans like not actual, but just like the ones where it's static,   that it was like 0.1 percent of the population if that. It was very always very tiny. So  

[00:55:51] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, and that's that's kind of what I was saying, you know, that as tiny as it is, it's so overrepresented   in media of any of any sort.   Lately, it really has been. Yep. Yep. I mean because there's always a gay friend.   You can't watch a movie or a TV show now that doesn't have at least 1 gay couple in it. Well, gay or transgender  

[00:56:12] Jesse Fries:

or   Yeah. Any of the mix,   in there. Yeah. Yeah. Every show has it.   It's   it's just like every friend   relationship now, the it's always a it's it's not just that. It's also just about even races.   You you Yeah. You you always have a black best friend or you always have this. It's not we don't have shows like Friends anymore where it's just, 5 white people. You know? We just don't Yeah. Oh, Yeah. Oh, God. You you imagine how much how much crap that would take. No. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, I I I really don't mind it on the TV. I don't care so much about that. Yeah.   But in general, from what you   you generally you pick the people that you feel alike with, you know? So, yeah, a lot of times   you you do divide yourselves by race and friend groups and everything like that. Yeah. There will be some cross here or there, but generally you do, or it's like for me and Carol,   it's   always about,   like,   immigrant   because it doesn't even matter the race. If you're if you're immigrant,   we we tend to cluster together because Carol's an immigrant. Right? And so we kind of just our friends groups,   it was up in Michigan, it's down   here. Our   one main friend down here, she's from South Africa.  

So, you know, there's just this   you just go to   who are like you, you know, whether or not it's race or this or that.   A lot of times it is based off race or,   your  

[00:57:45] Jamon Fries:

gender or whatever, you know, it's In in a lot of cases, it's who looks like you, who   who is, you know, who is the same who has the same thoughts, the same beliefs as you for the most part.   You know, you don't really   it used to be something that you'd see quite often where you had conservatives   and liberals that were actually friends with each other.   That's kind of gone away for the look for the most part now. Yeah. It is disappearing. Yeah.   Yeah.   Which is really sad because, you know, the the   conversations that were that could be had between those 2 groups that were friendly Mhmm.   Was insane. I mean, you could get some of accomplished if you actually paid attention to what to what the arguments between the 2 were.  

And I when I say arguments, I mean a discussion. No. Yeah. True. Argument. Yeah. Yep. Yep.   You know, you you can when when you when when everybody gets so locked in on on who you support politically,   you never hear new ideas anymore. Mhmm. You you don't hear   the it's   which is to our detriment, in my opinion.  

[00:58:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It really   for the last, what, 30 years or something like that, politics has really become,   the litmus test on whether or not you can be friends with people, you know. It's and it slowly gets worse and worse and worse and worse. You know, it's,   yep. I I I would probably pin it down to maybe late eighties, early nineties when it really started   like like, people like Rush Limbaugh, he would, like, say that the Democrats are anti American and everything like this. You know, it's like Yep. It's just those small things that he just started off small, but, you know, it builds. You start to actually think that way. You know, I know it's great for your show. You know, I I don't blame him. It was a great show. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I like Rush Limbaugh and everything like that. But Yeah.   Just saying that they are un American, they they don't like America and everything like that, it's   I I I think that can really lead to people   coming at each other Yes. Very violently Absolutely.  

And starting to hate each other just for everything because it's gotten to the point where now   Democrats and Republicans are just   Republicans are always racist. Democrats are always communists. It is this is just what it is. This is the lexicon that people talk with. You know? It's  

[01:00:15] Jamon Fries:

If you vote democrat, it means you're a communist, but they're not communists. Exactly. 90% 90% of the democrats out there are not communists.  

[01:00:25] Jesse Fries:

And the real communists actually aren't democrats. They're communists. They're Yeah. Exactly.   Yeah. So, you know, it's   yeah. Yeah.   Yeah.  

[01:00:37] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm. It's   it's it is kind of disappointing that that it's gotten to this. You know, I I remember back in the day when you could have   good true political debates   without a lot of name calling, without threats, without   without making insinuations   that someone was going to destroy the world as we know it. Yep. Yep.   You know,   when when it was about   the actual policies and what those how those policies would affect   the United States because we are in the United States. So we should be concerned about how the policies are going to affect us   a lot more than we should be concerned about how the policies are going to affect the world,  

[01:01:20] Jesse Fries:

in my opinion. Yeah. I understand. I understand. So sometimes I go the opposite. I like foreign policy. It's always been my interest,   how   different countries get along together and everything like that. Oh, absolutely. Yes. Foreign foreign policy is definitely very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I   tend to find domestic policy to be boring and to be   they're they're just   going to   whichever   side they think   they can win, you know,   is   Yeah. Yeah. Foreign policy to me, it's more of an overarching thing that really can actually   it stands the test of time from one administration to the next, generally, which is what I like about it. Everything else, it's just   this   hyper Yeah. Partisan   back and forth. You know? It's, Yep. Yep. Absolutely.  



[01:02:12] Jamon Fries:

Now, you know, with the Republican party, there is one thing that I'm not   really   ensues about. Mhmm. And that is is that the it seems that they're on a very isolationist   trend lately.  

[01:02:27] Jesse Fries:

No. They haven't. Where  

[01:02:29] Jamon Fries:

and,   you know, we are part of the world, so we do have to be concerned about the world.   Mhmm.   But, you know, some of the stuff makes a little bit of sense to me. And, you know, like, I was listening to,   to a,   I don't know who is it.  

[01:02:48] Jesse Fries:

Noku.  

[01:02:50] Jamon Fries:

Shit. I can't remember his name.   But media guy that's gone off on a Tucker Carlson.  

[01:02:55] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay. Yep. Yep.  

[01:02:57] Jamon Fries:

I was list I was, watching   what a speech that he did in Reading, Pennsylvania.   Mhmm.   And   I can't say that I completely disagree with him. Mhmm.   But he what he was saying, this was shortly after the pictures of   the,   Pennsylvania   governor   walking around with Zelensky   in the,   in the arms in the arm arms plant   signing   they they signed a,   they signed part of one of the, munitions   that was gonna be shipped over over to   over to, the Ukraine to be long to be shot at, to be shot in into Russia. Mhmm.   And   the thing that tar that Carlson said that it kind of resonated with me, but at the same time,   I I don't think we can go all the way that way. We have to be concerned about the international.  

He's like, in a state where you've got where when you walk down the street,   you   see   needles everywhere. You see   people that are basically zombied out because of drugs.   You see all this stuff and what they what the way that they're reacting to it is by providing them safe places to shoot up. Right.   And yet   we are so concerned   about the plight of the Ukrainians   that   you know, we're so concerned about the plight of the Ukrainians,   but we don't seem to give a shit   about our own people.   Well, you know Basically,  

[01:04:42] Jesse Fries:

it seems like we're only concerned about our own people when it comes to, like, people going to jail.   It's it's like, oh, we need to stop putting so many people in jail.   Or   but sometimes that's the only way to control the populace is to actually have consequences   for  

[01:05:00] Jamon Fries:

antisocial behavior. That is the only way. Yeah. That is the only way to control the populace. No. I know. I know. It's   amazing how that works. It is crazy. It is. Good behavior.  

[01:05:12] Jesse Fries:

I know. You you know, not not everybody cares about what god tells you to do. You know? It's,   yeah, religion can be used to, keep the population in control, but   it really doesn't do that anymore. You know? So it's,  

[01:05:26] Jamon Fries:

the the the the area that I agree with him. So in my   opinion, a state governor   should have absolutely no reason   to be   doing something to be meeting up with a foreign official.   Yeah. You've said that before. No. No. Yeah. I mean, I I think that   I mean, you know, there there are some instances where, you know, for trade deals and stuff like that I could see,   but   Zelensky   is not going to be doing trade with Pennsylvania. They're they're plumbing I guess, technically, they're buying well, no. They're not they're not buying them. The US government is buying them and shipping them to them. Mhmm. So why is he at an ammunition's   plant?  

He was brought over by the US Air Force. He wasn't he didn't come over on his own dime.   Mhmm.   So why are we funding him coming over, sponsoring him in the state, taking him to show him our munitions plans   when we can't even   take care of the homeless situation   anywhere.  

[01:06:34] Jesse Fries:

It it it it it was for the election. Don't you know this? Come on. You know, he he he Of course. I I know. He joined the stump court. You know? He he was Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah.   That that's what it was all about. You you know? He's,   yeah. No. We   I think we should get out of Ukraine. But So Yeah.  

[01:06:56] Jamon Fries:

We've sent enough money there. It's Exactly.   And and I don't foresee a situation where Ukraine actually wins,  

[01:07:07] Jesse Fries:

not not a total victory as per se. I I don't think that's our goal. I think that Crimea or something like that. I don't think that's a US goal. I think the US goal is to is like, Afghanistan back in the eighties. It's to bleed Russia dry.   Yeah. Yeah. I I think that's really what it's about. It's, it's not anything beyond that. You know? I I think   us being in Syria, it's roughly the same thing. You know? Just   bleed   Iran dry. You know? It's Yeah. This has been our foreign policy   for quite a few years, you know, since, like, the eighties, if not before then. You know, we don't wanna get While we do that, a lot of people die. Exactly. We we we don't want to go fight the big boys. We'll just go fight those little   know nothing people like Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and then, the Taliban in Afghanistan. We'll go fight those little things. And also Syria, you know, we we we'll do that, but that's just a proxy anyways for Iran. So, you know, it's   those are the fights we pick. You know, we don't Yeah. We never pick big boys. We never fight the big boys. No. No. No. Not that I would want us to, but  

[01:08:13] Jamon Fries:

That that would that would have very severe consequences.  

[01:08:16] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm not I'm not advocating that. Definitely not advocating that. So Absolutely not.  

[01:08:22] Jamon Fries:

But, you know, at the same time, we shouldn't we shouldn't be fighting the little in in the little people's country either though   because, you know, I mean, how many people have died in Ukraine now?  

[01:08:33] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. A lot. A lot. A lot. Yeah. And and, yes,   Putin, Russia did invade, but then that was after us  

[01:08:43] Jamon Fries:

having a coup over in Ukraine and everything like that. So, you know, it's Yeah. It was after us supporting a coup. That was to put someone that supported us in place. That was after   after we after people in in the in NATO specifically said that that there basically is no future where Ukraine is not part of NATO Exactly. Exactly. Yep. Which, I mean, that's something that that we that NATO agreed with Russia on a very long time ago   is that they wouldn't move any further east. Well, no. It wasn't  

[01:09:17] Jesse Fries:

no. It was just something that what was it James Baker said, secretary of state. He's he he told it to Russia,   I think to Yeltsin or Gorbachev. He he said, yeah, we're not gonna move,   NATO further. And then, well, we just completely   did the opposite. Well, if  

[01:09:35] Jamon Fries:

if I remember correctly, they they said that to get to get Russia   to sign in on things so that they   said they would would somewhat work together a little bit. No. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So it was it was it wasn't anything that there there was nothing put in print  

[01:09:53] Jesse Fries:

about not moving further east or anything like that. Oh, I know that one, but that doesn't matter   to me. It's like you promised whether or not it's,  

[01:10:02] Jamon Fries:

on paper or not paper. You're breaking your promise. Exactly. Plain and simple. They they've broke they've broken it many times already, but with break with letting Poland and with, you know, all these other places. Yep. Yep. Yep. And Russia has not   said we're drawing the line here. They drew the line with Ukraine,   and then they were told, sorry, but there's no future where where Ukraine's not part of NATO anymore. No. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, it just it just makes sense that they're going to if if the line is crossed,   they're gonna there's gonna be a retaliation.  



[01:10:36] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.   And on that note,   I would   like to thank everybody for joining us for episode 5 of the Mindless Meandering podcast.   And remember to donate to us through your favorite podcast app or our website once I actually figure out how what's going on with that. But I'm Jesse Fries.  

[01:10:57] Jamon Fries:

And I'm Jamin Fries.  

[01:10:59] Jesse Fries:

And you have a great day.