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- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:20) Live from Lake Conroe: Bugs, bites, and bad internet

(00:05:01) Politics chat: Government vs. speech, late-night TV shakeups

(00:10:55) School breaks, filibuster frustration, and shutdown theater

(00:15:26) EPA rumors, "deep state" gripes, and Medicaid budget cuts

(00:23:13) H-1B fee panic: Clarifying the $100,000 shockwave

(00:27:35) Immigration, wages, housing, and labor market impacts

(00:32:18) National roundup: Stadium arrest, wedding shooting, Kavanaugh plot

(00:46:12) Israel–Hamas debate: Recognition, ceasefires, and NATO Article 5

(01:01:30) Housekeeping: Value-for-value and listener contributions

(01:01:47) Business/tech: BlueSky moderation, climate startup pivots, Blue Origin to the Moon

(01:07:33) Moon hoax talk vs. evidence and conspiracy mindsets

(01:10:41) Brain–computer interfaces via blood vessels

(01:12:31) New RNA obesity shot and its metabolic tradeoffs

(01:18:36) EVs by the sun: Solar-charging miles and future energy ideas

(01:21:33) Studies corner: Hospital food for climate and ultra-processed bias

(01:36:25) Robots in grad school: China’s classical dance PhD bot and sign-off

[00:00:21] Jesse Fries:

Good afternoon,   everybody.   It is   Monday. Yeah. It's Monday,   September 22, and we are live with episode number 64 of the mindless meanderings.   And I'm on a lake, and I've been bitten. I've been stung,   and I just wanna go home.  

[00:00:41] Jamon Fries:

And,   yeah,   that that sounds kinda rough. But, this is Jamin Friess, and   I am contemplating   very heavily again getting some new Internet.  

[00:00:54] Jesse Fries:

Again? Okay. Yes. Yes.  

[00:00:58] Jamon Fries:

I I thought that my Internet, you know, I I had thought about it because my Internet was a little bit iffy, not not very   consistent.   Mhmm. And then yesterday,   at 01:44   p,   YouTube was lagging.  

[00:01:20] Jesse Fries:

What's 01:44  

[00:01:21] Jamon Fries:

p? The lowest resolution   that it can get. Oh,  

[00:01:27] Jesse Fries:

god. You're talking resolution. I'm like, what are you talking about?  

[00:01:31] Jamon Fries:

DM or what? I don't know. Yeah. No. No. You know, the the thing where if your Internet is a little bit slow, it reduces the resolution   so that it can transfer information   faster.   Yeah. That's true. Lowest   setting,   I was getting the little round circle on my videos for, like, five minutes.  

[00:01:53] Jesse Fries:

Oh, wow. Wow. That is Yeah. Really bad.  

[00:01:57] Jamon Fries:

I I pulled up an Internet speed test, and I was getting under 50   megabytes per second.   50 megabytes per second? Well, 50 megabyte download.   Okay. That's not too bad.   No. That's horrid.  

[00:02:17] Jesse Fries:

Alright. But   it could be doable, dude. I don't know.  

[00:02:22] Jamon Fries:

I don't see. Yeah. But it it was having problems with 01:44 p. The lag. Yes. It was having problems at 01:44 p.  

[00:02:32] Jesse Fries:

At 50 megs that 50 megs. Yeah. It's slow in today's world, but it  

[00:02:37] Jamon Fries:

Right. I know. Just It it shocked the hell out of me. I couldn't figure out what was going on. And YouTube was the only thing I had running on my computer.  

[00:02:48] Jesse Fries:

Then   YouTube was doing something else to your system too. I'm just It's possible. I I don't know. But,  

[00:02:57] Jamon Fries:

when YouTube lags, it's   maybe time to look at getting a new Internet.  

[00:03:02] Jesse Fries:

No. I could see that. I could see that. Yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. No. We're we're we're sitting on a lake now, though, the kids have actually a four day weekend. Well,   we're in it right now. So it's like   they're even off tomorrow. So it's like yeah. Yeah. Apparently, teacher in service or something like that. I have never heard of teacher in service of two days   in a row. Yeah. But   yeah. Yeah. So we decided to   we're just, what, Lake Conroe,   just North of Houston.   Okay. So   yeah. It's a man made lake, but at least it's green over by Houston. So  

[00:03:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   But you've been bitten and stung?  

[00:03:45] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. We we we have the it's Texas, so there's fire ants freaking everywhere. Yeah.   So I've been bitten like, I can't even count how many times I've been bitten by fire ants,   in the past couple days.   That there's a freaking hornet's nest.   Oh, no.   Those are Yeah. Yeah. And I was just I was just walking somewhat by it, and one just   stung my hand out of nowhere. So Oh, hell. Yeah. That was that was a really painful sting. I I'm Yeah. I think that's one of the worst things I've ever read. Yeah. Yeah. I've been stung by bees. I've been stung by wasps.  

[00:04:20] Jamon Fries:

The the worst thing I've ever been had was bitten by a deer fly.  

[00:04:25] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Those are pretty bad too. Those are bad too.   It's a   yeah. Yeah. It is so that was, like, the first day we like, the first full day.   So my day was just kinda shit after that. That's what yeah.  

[00:04:40] Jamon Fries:

One of those, you know what?   Fuck nature.   Exactly.   Exactly.  

[00:04:52] Jesse Fries:

Yes. Yes.   Fuck.   Yep. Well, yeah, looks like, the whole Trump,   cracking down on his, enemies. It looks like a lot of Republicans aren't really liking it either.   So even Ted Cruz came out against,   FCC,   chairman Carr  

[00:05:13] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And what Trump has said about that whole thing. Yeah. I I I agree with Cruz on that matter. I mean, it's  

[00:05:21] Jesse Fries:

like the only thing I'll agree with him on. Yeah.  

[00:05:26] Jamon Fries:

No. It it using the government   in any way to silence an opponent is  

[00:05:33] Jesse Fries:

bad.   Well, you know, they should have done it like Biden,   where as in they didn't say it publicly. They just did it behind this. Secretly. Yeah.   Because   they did the same thing, though, you know, with with Facebook COVID and everything like that. So it's not The Biden administration, it was an it was like an ongoing policy that never stopped. Oh, yeah.   Yeah. That'd be I was in there telling people what to say at Facebook and x and everything or Twitter. That is as it was at the time. Yep.   Yeah. No. It it's just that   Trump is either ballsy enough or stupid enough just to say it in public. So it's a   we we we Yeah. Causes issues. But, you know, it's not necessarily anything different, but I didn't like it when Biden did it. So why would I like it when Trump does it? So it's a Abs absolutely.  



[00:06:23] Jamon Fries:

The government should Equal opportunity.   The the government should never get involved in limiting speech.  

[00:06:29] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it it's like,   with the kibble thing, you know, I   that may have played a part, but I think they also wanted an excuse to get rid of that money sappler. He was. I mean, it was money every show. Yeah. It it was it I mean, it the the the way you can know that that's what happened  

[00:06:50] Jamon Fries:

is   they didn't just get rid of the host and bring a new one in. They got rid of the show completely.   Yep. Yep. Yep. You know, Trump would have been happy with getting rid of the host. You don't need to lose the show. Just change the host.   Uh-huh. Yep. And he would have been insanely happy.   But the fact that they canceled the show entirely proves   that   it was on its way out to begin with anyways. It just so happened Just like Colbert.   Yeah. It just so happened that they now had a timing thing that they could screw with the administration   on.  



[00:07:28] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe now that, basically, they're both that Colbert and Kimmel are gone, possibly Fallon might actually have a chance to get better ratings.   Yeah. Yeah. Because every if there's only one show   Yeah. It might produce enough.  

[00:07:43] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And I I watched I watched Fallon last night after Uh-huh. The after the Chiefs game.   And Right.   It looked like the old shows.   You mean, yeah, he made one Right. He made one political joke, but most of his jokes were about just everyday stuff.  

[00:08:03] Jesse Fries:

No. Yes. And see,   that's how   Fallon has been. He he's Yeah. He he jumps on the bandwagon a little bit, but not nearly like Colbert or Kimmel.   Right. To where   especially Kimmel. He he would, like, cry   on the air when something tragic would happen, unless if it was against the conservative.   And, you you know, Colbert was just a political hack as well. Philip Fallon, I think he's   along the lines of more at least more along the lines of, like, a Leno and a Carson, you know, just Absolutely.   Trying to provide a good show. You know?  

[00:08:39] Jamon Fries:

Well and he's trying to do things that are   actually funny. I mean, I laughed at his joke about Trump. I mean, you know, he he's a comedian. He's no he's not   the the problem with Kimmel   and Colbert and many of those others   is that they're not   comedians anymore. They've become political  

[00:09:03] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Was Kimball a comedian actually? Right. Right. Was Kimball a comedian? Comedian actually? Right. Right. Was he a celebrity? I I don't  

[00:09:10] Jamon Fries:

they say that he was. I mean, that Okay. They because he was on the man show and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was always more a political commentator than anything else.   But   some people thought that he was funny, I guess.  

[00:09:26] Jesse Fries:

Mostly because Okay. He he always made jokes about the people they wanted him to make jokes about, probably. Right. Right. But I never saw, like, any of his stand up. I didn't see him on any of the normal Oh, yeah. No. Comedy shows. So No. Didn't even realize that.   Yeah. I always thought he was just kind of a funny guy, but not really a stand up. So  

[00:09:47] Jamon Fries:

Yes. No. No. He was definitely I don't think he was ever a stand up.  

[00:09:54] Jesse Fries:

But, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, also, just so everybody knows, if there's a delay here between me and you talking and Jaymon, I'm I'm wearing I forgot my headphones, so I'm using ear, AirPods.   So let's see how that works. It seems to be going pretty well. So Yeah. Not too bad.   Let's see here.   So   wasn't it a thing, like, with the big beautiful bill   that it was supposed to stop   all this   constant,   funding deadlines?   Like like, oh, the government's gonna shut down.   Wasn't the big beautiful bill supposed to, like, stop that? I remember Trump and whatnot, people talking about that.  

[00:10:40] Jamon Fries:

Honestly, I don't know.  

[00:10:43] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Because I I remember all these people talking about, but I know we're just right back in it now. I swear to god, though. It's like   it's stupid.   They do need to stop this. Play it simple.  

[00:10:54] Jamon Fries:

They really do.  

[00:10:57] Jesse Fries:

I It's it's it's, like   yeah.  

[00:11:03] Jamon Fries:

There there's so many problems   with what they're doing with playing chicken with government shutdown  

[00:11:11] Jesse Fries:

that Right.  

[00:11:12] Jamon Fries:

You know, it just   is it the biggest problem is is that   it even though they make it sound so huge, such a huge thing   Right. It doesn't really affect too many people anymore.   I mean, there are there are still some people that still receive their Social Security checks by check,   but that's being phased out now that I I read an article. I don't remember the exact timeline, but,   within the next year or two, they're they're gonna completely phase out the physical checks being sent out for the through for Social Security payments. Yeah. I heard that too. Yeah.   So   you will all Social Security   recipients will always receive their money because that's an automated thing that the government can't touch.  

Yep. So   so it doesn't affect that. Really, the biggest impact that a government shutdown has   is on the federal parks.  

[00:12:17] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's really about it. Yeah. Federal parks,   presidential libraries, which are falling through that, basically. Right. Things like that. It's it's stuff that's,  

[00:12:27] Jamon Fries:

I mean, that that yes. Some people do really love and enjoy, but   and and, you know, it may it may mess with vacation   timing,   you know. Right. Right. Put in for your for your vacation, you know, a few months in advance, and then suddenly you go to the the Yosemite and it's closed. You know, that would kinda suck. But   but it's It it's not like a climate changing event.   Yeah. Yeah. It it's not like anything critical is gonna go away.  

[00:13:01] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. National defense is still there. Everything Yeah. Important is still there. So yeah.  

[00:13:05] Jamon Fries:

The only the only downside for for me   is that   government and those government employees   get the day off,   but they still get paid for it.  

[00:13:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Wait. Do you know what the downside to me is, Jabin? What's that?   I have to hear about it.   It's freaking annoying. Yes. It is. It's like it's like, just stop. Just stop. It is so annoying hearing about this every and this is what is this? Seven week   or something like that extension? That's all they're doing? It's like Yep. Alright. So so so what? In seven weeks, we have to do this again? Oh, yeah. Fuck. No. Kidding me? Yeah.  

[00:13:46] Jamon Fries:

It's Absolutely. Yes.  

[00:13:48] Jesse Fries:

So, basically, what what needs to happen because I just don't wanna hear about it. So what needs to happen   is that   the senate needs to get rid of the filibuster. Once again, we come back to it. And then we wouldn't have this discussion anymore.   Yeah.   Then the I'm sorry. If if if both parties control the house and the senate, then they could just go through without any even a mention.   You know?   So, yeah, get rid of the filibuster. I'm gonna keep saying it. I'm just gonna keep saying it. It. Yeah. It it would be a wonderful thing to get rid of.   Mhmm.  



[00:14:24] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm.   Talking about government officials.   Uh-huh. Some EPA officials have come out saying that   Trump is try is telling them to stop publishing their research.  

[00:14:38] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:14:41] Jamon Fries:

They they according to them,   the upper management of the   EPA   held a town hall   and   where it was just the officials and the employees, the researchers,   and told them that,   you know, that we're gonna be doing all these shifting. You you're not gonna be you're not gonna be able to publish your research for a while and stuff like that.  

[00:15:09] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:15:12] Jamon Fries:

Yet there isn't a single   official   that   went to or scheduled any such town hall   that anyone has been able to talk to.  

[00:15:27] Jesse Fries:

Really?  

[00:15:28] Jamon Fries:

Yes.   What's happening is   because they have been because the policies have changed and the the the with the new administration,   you know, they're they're making adjustments to how they do everything.   They're reassigning   some of the researchers   from areas that they don't think is important to research into   to other places.   Ah, okay.   Which, I mean, completely makes sense.  

[00:16:01] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Yeah. Completely makes sense. Yeah. If you don't need it, you don't need it. Exactly.  

[00:16:06] Jamon Fries:

And,   I mean, you know how government works. I'm sure that there's a lot of people that are researching   shit that just don't matter.   Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. And so the Trump administration comes in and says, we're gonna be reassigning some people.   And so they're they're giving them their reassignments, and now the researchers are saying, they're telling us we can't publish what we've done.  

[00:16:37] Jesse Fries:

So basically, they're overreacting is what you're telling me. Yes. Big time.  

[00:16:42] Jamon Fries:

God. It sounds about right. Sounds about right. I I loved that, you know, the the the leaders of the EPA   are like,   there was never a town hall scheduled. I have no idea what these guys are talking about.  

[00:16:58] Jesse Fries:

Wow. Wow. It it's more of the deep state people within the government that hate Trump, that hate everything that he does, that they don't get to research their little pet project now. There's some, like   well, it's EPA. So wondering how the water turns the   as Alex   Jones would say, you know, turns the frogs skate, you know. Yeah.   Exactly.   So yeah. It's,   yeah. It's Yeah. It's That is  

[00:17:29] Jamon Fries:

yeah.   Also dealing with, Medicaid.   So, you know, in the big beautiful bill, there's gonna be Medicaid cuts and stuff like that.   Yep. Yep. Well, it seems that some states   have   decided to   start making changes a little bit in advance  

[00:17:51] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:17:52] Jamon Fries:

According to the article. Now Uh-huh. The article   was,   it's   kind of on a liberal leaning,   medical news   article,   website. But   the   so they they took North Carolina.   North Carolina has   said that they're going to be cutting back   on how much Medicaid   pays to the providers.   Mhmm. The reason for this cutback is because all of the excess money that they got from from the COVID pandemic and from other things is gone.   So they don't have extra money laying around, so they need to   play with the they need to play with their budgets.  

[00:18:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. All that extra money that was, like, shouldn't have been put out. Yes. Exactly.  

[00:18:48] Jamon Fries:

And so they they they took North Carolina   and talked about this one patient, this one lady who's taking care of her kid,   who   technically   should have been dead at nine months old.   He's got a rare brain condition called acute necrotizing   encephala encephala  

[00:19:12] Jesse Fries:

Necrotizing?   Yes. Necrotizing?   Yes. That's never good. Holy crap, isn't it? No. No.  

[00:19:20] Jamon Fries:

And so she's keeping him alive,   and they're supposed to be getting, like, a hundred and twelve hours   of,   of nursing assistant to her house every week and stuff like that. And Medicaid is paying for all of this.  

[00:19:36] Jesse Fries:

Oh, okay. Okay.  

[00:19:38] Jamon Fries:

And so, you know, she's concerned that   with the with these spending cuts and with the,   reduction of how much they're gonna pay to the providers that she's going to lose some of those benefits,   making it hard for her to keep her child alive.   I could see that. I could see that. Yeah. Absolutely. And I I I can see the concern. I can I can understand all of that?   Mhmm. But they don't talk at all except for one very, very, very, very brief mention   about the other states that are involved in this.   Okay. Those other states   are   I'm looking for it here again real quick.  

But it was Washington State,   Idaho,   Pennsylvania,   and I think there was one more here,   and Michigan.  

[00:20:39] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay.  

[00:20:41] Jamon Fries:

So   and they're pretty much all doing it for the same reason. It's because the government has stopped sending them as much money from Medicaid   because Right. The COVID benefits the COVID stuff has all gone away now.   Okay. You know, it wasn't it wasn't Trump's bill or anything like that. Just the payments that had that had been done because of COVID stopped coming in, so they don't have as much money to play with.   So they've had to make cuts in different ways. Some of them are doing it by   reducing   the amount that they pay to the providers.   Some of them are changing   what it to what it may what it takes to be eligible for Medicaid,   thereby reducing making it to that people that are that are on the top that are on the very top fringe of being edge of being acceptable aren't going to be able to receive Medicaid anymore.  

Okay.   So   but this article is talking about, you know, these states are cutting Medicare   before the Trump cuts hit.  

[00:21:49] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:21:50] Jamon Fries:

And I'm like, no. They're just balancing their budget as they have to do.  

[00:21:57] Jesse Fries:

Sounds about right. Sounds about right.   Yeah. Yeah. You and states the a lot of times they have the balanced budget, things in their Oh, yeah. Systems   to where they can't go with debt and everything like that. State does, don't they?   I'm not sure if it's every state.   Yeah. I don't know every 50 states  

[00:22:17] Jamon Fries:

rules on that. So yeah. Yeah. No. I I in fact, I think that that was part   of the   part of joining the union was that you had to codify in the constitution   that you had to have a balanced budget.   I have no clue. I have no clue. So I it's been a long time since I heard about it. I I heard somewhere that it that that was that it was that every state had to have a balanced budget,   which is why I've always been   kind of amused that the federal government doesn't have to have a   balance budget.  

[00:22:52] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.   Yeah. No clue. No clue. Mhmm.   Maybe maybe I'll look that up over the, break in between the next show.   Well, onto, so there's been this panic. It started, like, last week, like, what, Thursday, Friday. I can't remember when the executive order actually came out. Right.   But Trump has made it so that   for any   h one b visas,   if you want a h one b or if a company wants h one b   immigrant to come in,   which is this very specialized   sort of immigrant,   the company has to   pay a a $100,000   fee   to be able to get this person in,   for for the h one b.  

And the the way that   the executive order was written, not so many places were reading it wrong or there was just not enough information.   Everything like that, it was to the point where people,   some people that are already have h one b's, they were flying home, right, to visit family.   Yeah. And then they   everybody told them, even their companies told them, don't leave the country. We don't know what this means. We don't know if you can actually get back into the country. So people were, like, getting off flights out of the already left the gate. Airlines were going, okay. We're gonna let you off. Airlines don't do this. They never let you off. No. They don't. Right?   Once you pull back from the gate,   it's basically have to be dying or the police have to stop the plane. Otherwise, it's not happening. So but, yeah, some planes stopped, and a lot of people got off because their companies and everything like that said, you cannot leave the country.  



[00:24:40] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I I did read about that. I heard Google and and a bunch of other companies had had told their employees that they can't leave the country because of this. That that was amazing. That was hilarious.  

[00:24:52] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. It was a crazy   it was a crazy weekend.   Yeah. It has actually be it's calmed down now. Everybody understands that,   there was also, like, bad reporting. Like, Washington Post said it was a $100,000   a a year,   for this. So the companies would have to pay a $100,000   annual fee, but it's just a one time fee.  

[00:25:16] Jamon Fries:

It's a one time fee for a new h one b visa. So if you've already got your h one b, you're good to go back home and come back without a problem. Correct. Correct. And then the renewal,  

[00:25:28] Jesse Fries:

I'm I'm sure renewals might be fine too. It it it Yeah. It's a bit funny with that. I don't know exactly. Right.   Yeah.   But, yeah, it it's,   but, basically, this all came about because   the system has really been taken advantage of, the h one b's. Oh, yeah.   Yes. I of course, there are all these stories about actual people that need a h one b. But a lot of times, it's just a coder from India,   you know, that, they wanna bring over because they can pay them cheaper.   Right. You know, they can pay them $60,000   instead of $80,000.  



[00:26:03] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:26:05] Jesse Fries:

And so because of this,   it it has I think it has really hurt, the American work. I really do. You know, a lot of people say, no. It hasn't. It's helped, you know, because of this and this and this. But, no, you're giving jobs away   to immigrants.   You know, that That are only coming over for that reason.  

[00:26:22] Jamon Fries:

The the one argument that I've been hearing lately   that   completely   has me   agreeing with   limiting immigration   Uh-huh.   Is,   yes, it it may bring in people that will do the work for the amount of money that the employer wants to pay.   But Right. What it does in the long run   is it actually regresses   wages.  

[00:26:56] Jesse Fries:

No. It does. Completely, it regresses wages.   It it's it's why everybody want it's why Ross Perot was so against   NAFTA.   Yeah.   Because he said it would re it would, well, it would retard   wages in The United States. Yes. Absolutely.  

[00:27:16] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, that that's that's the one thing that I've never quite understood is, you know,   if the cost of living increase has been increasing as much as it has, and I know it's been increasing pretty significantly   because every almost every year, I get a cost of living increase on my disability insure on Social Security disability. Yeah.   Yeah. And, yeah,   normal the wages that people are getting paid for stuff hasn't been changing at all.  

[00:27:44] Jesse Fries:

No. It it's, for inflation, it's actually dropped, like,   a lot.   And it   it's see see, to me, it's   it's actually a twofer because you so you you let all these people in that will work for cheaper than an American.   Right?   And then those people also need housing.  

[00:28:05] Jamon Fries:

Yes.  

[00:28:07] Jesse Fries:

So, basically, it drives up the cost of housing while   stamping down Yeah. Yeah.   Wages for workers. So, yeah, you know, it it's   it's a bad policy completely 100%.   Oh, yeah. Yeah.   I I don't buy the other arguments. I really don't. It it just doesn't it doesn't pass a logic test. If you have to jump through hoops to try to make it seem acceptable,   it it's not really acceptable. You know? It's Completely.  

[00:28:35] Jamon Fries:

Yes. I I agree with that 100%.   And, you know, the the one thing that that passed my that passed my head when passed through my mind when I started when when Trump started doing all the ICE raids and stuff like that   Uh-huh. My first thought was quite literally,   maybe the process prices of housing and rentals start going down  

[00:28:56] Jesse Fries:

now. No. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And and, you know, it's like   the the $100,000   fee.   It makes sense because a company will not spend that kind of money unless if this person is a genius, like, top of the field. Yeah. And that is the people we want into America. That person You know, we don't the person that they bring in will have to be someone  

[00:29:17] Jamon Fries:

that is going to provide   much more income   than that $100,000   for the company for them to do it.  

[00:29:26] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. And not only that, what it can also do is because right now, the h one b's before this whole thing, it was like a lottery system,   and,   basically, anybody could apply for it. And there was no real stipulations or on it or anything like that.   So what this will do is it will make sure that   those good ones actually get in.   Like, those high level ones actually get in. Because if they're all taken by all these lower ones   Yeah. Then there's then maybe the high geniuses   that can actually help us   can't get in. Yeah. Because I'm trying to find a code elsewhere like China or Europe or whatnot. A code from India  

[00:30:04] Jamon Fries:

is not going to provide any benefit to the to the nation.  

[00:30:07] Jesse Fries:

No. It's a code monkey. You know, if you want that, just just do a offshore  

[00:30:12] Jamon Fries:

situation. Yeah. Fine. Whatever. You just have them do remote.  

[00:30:16] Jesse Fries:

They don't need to come to The US for that.   Yeah. I don't you know, it's funny. It's like   so, of course, Carol, she's an immigrant and everything like that. Yeah. I I did really go into it. I just told her what happened, and she goes, well, that makes sense.   You know?   But but then also because she's a manager, right, and   GM,   they do have some of these h one b's there. Yeah. Yeah.   And and so she's going,   so she's, like, going, well, I wonder what their status is. I I I need to check what their status   is. You know? It's   then she has this Fred, from long time ago that works at GM. You know, he's, like, on AH1B right now, but,   GM is sponsoring him for a green card.  

Okay. So, you know, she's good. So how you doing? He goes, well, it's been iffy.   You know? Because   because he's been they they they've been applying for this green card form since, like, 2014.   Oh, damn.   And they're now just processing 2013 or something like that. Holy crap.   Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.  

[00:31:22] Jamon Fries:

That is insane.  

[00:31:24] Jesse Fries:

So, yeah, maybe all that will also help speed that process up too, you know, instead of all them doing all these h one b visas for Mhmm. Code monkeys. And I really think a lot of them are just code monkeys, and anybody can be a code monkey. It doesn't matter. Yeah. You know? It's a Yeah.   It's a easy skill to learn, really. You know? So   For for many people. Some people, not so much. But No. Exactly. Exactly. But it it's gotten to the point where it's like a dime a dozen, and even AI is gonna take those jobs away here soon anyways. Yep.   Yeah. So I I think the $100,000   fee on the h one b's is a good one. I do.  



[00:32:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I   I   had I didn't really look into that much when I read it up, but I'm like, you know,   it's kinda iffy. But now, after talking to you now, I'm like, yeah.   It's definitely a good thing.  

[00:32:15] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep.  

[00:32:19] Jamon Fries:

So on to national news.   Uh-huh.   Now now mine is kind of a,   just   a rant   on media and how they portray things.  

[00:32:33] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:32:34] Jamon Fries:

So I saw an article   that   said,   the Blue Jays clinched the first post season birth   since   2023.  

[00:32:49] Jesse Fries:

That was two years ago, people. I know.  

[00:32:52] Jamon Fries:

But the the article was, like, saying this is big news.  

[00:32:57] Jesse Fries:

They missed a year.   Yeah.  

[00:33:01] Jamon Fries:

What the fuck?   How is that news?   And to   the the guy must have been   from where the Blue Jays are are located at because, I mean, there was so much excitement   in the story that just   I I couldn't understand   it, you know. I mean, this   but I've seen this in many other in many other say places now where, you know, it's   they they've they've gotten to the finals for the first time in three years.  

[00:33:34] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:33:35] Jamon Fries:

Shit like that that,   you   know, if it would have been in that it was, like, twenty five years since I had done it,   I'd be like, damn, that's big.  

[00:33:47] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Right.  

[00:33:49] Jamon Fries:

But   two years,   three years, even up even five years ago,   that's not a thing.  

[00:33:56] Jesse Fries:

It really isn't. It really isn't.   It's especially one year. Come on. That's just stupid. Yeah. Just a year.   Congratulations.   Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where the guy is from because it's the byline for this is just the Associated Press. There's no actual author of the article.  

[00:34:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:34:13] Jesse Fries:

So I wonder if AI wrote it.  

[00:34:16] Jamon Fries:

It very well could be.   But I mean, you know,   if you're gonna be talking about delays   between when things have happened,   don't make it a year or two years. The the delay's gotta be at least ten years for it to be significant that it happened.   You know, that that would be like saying that would be like saying if the Chiefs made it into the postseason,   the Chiefs have made it back into the postseason   for the first time in a year.  

[00:34:45] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   But we're   exactly. Even though, you know, we're still technically in their, they lost last year, though. Right? Super Bowl? Yeah. Yeah. They lost the Super Bowl last year. Yeah. Yeah. So but but, you know, we're still in their dynasty period. So as much as far as I can tell, you know. Yeah. If they lose this year, maybe not. We'll see, you know, but they still got Mahomes.   You know, Kelsey, yeah, he's getting old, but, you know, it's, did they win last night?  

[00:35:11] Jamon Fries:

Yes. They did. They, won 22   to nine.  

[00:35:16] Jesse Fries:

Holy crap. Oh, dude.  

[00:35:18] Jamon Fries:

It wasn't the it wasn't that big, though.   The the first   the first   half of the game,   the Chiefs got   three field goals,   and   the   and the the Giants got got a touchdown but missed the extra point. They got blocked,   but nobody ever but nobody said anything about it getting blocked. They didn't replay the block. They didn't do anything. So I I I watched the kick, and then I watched the ball fly off to the side. And I'm like, okay. So   come on. I want the replay of that block. I wanna see that block. Right. Right. Right. Right.  

[00:35:55] Jesse Fries:

You you know, I   I I I have this conspiracy   theory. Okay.   To where   when they don't show a replay and just cut straight to commercial  

[00:36:06] Jamon Fries:

after, like, the where you go? It means that the flag or something like that is bullshit.  

[00:36:11] Jesse Fries:

It it it means that something is hink   you know? Yeah. It's like especially when it's just like a quick thing. It's like, no replay. It's like, you know, that'd normally be replayed. Just say it. Yeah. You know?  

[00:36:24] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I Where's the replay people? Especially for, like, flags, you know. I I saw a couple on the on the in the Chiefs game where the flag was thrown,   but then the the media never replayed it showing what you're showing the the penalty.  

[00:36:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Sounds about right. Yeah. Something's something's hinky. Something's hinky, Jim. But, you know, at least,  

[00:36:48] Jamon Fries:

you shouldn't be able to say anymore that the refs are are are helping the Chiefs anymore.  

[00:36:55] Jesse Fries:

I   yes. Yes. Because I think there's too much blowback until they can't anymore. Oh, yeah. Yeah.   I think this actually proves that they were.  

[00:37:06] Jamon Fries:

In in fact, it's kind of swung a little bit the other way now,   which has actually   which has which now, again, has people   saying that the tush push should not be allowed.  

[00:37:21] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. We which is fine. Okay. Make it illegal then.   Yeah. But the the reason for the reason You can't touch a helmet now, apparently. So Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:37:31] Jamon Fries:

The the the reason that they're saying it though is because on the last tush push that the Eagles did on the Chiefs   Mhmm. One of the offensive linemen   jumped early,   but no foul goes through.   And so when everybody's   when everybody's gathered into such a tight area where the defense and the offense are so close to each other, because you you have to make it set the offensive set the offensive line can't move at all.   Right. It makes it all it makes it much harder to see  

[00:38:04] Jesse Fries:

any little No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Yeah. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Complete bullshit. Argument that some people are getting. No. I know. But why it But but it it it's like a   it's like when you're on the goal line  

[00:38:16] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You're you are you're just as bunched up. There's no difference. It it don't it doesn't matter if they're doing the push push or not.  

[00:38:23] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It doesn't matter. You're  

[00:38:25] Jamon Fries:

to stop them. Yes. Yes. Completely.  

[00:38:28] Jesse Fries:

Okay. So a a a ref missed a play. You know, it does happen. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, I'm just saying it. It does happen. They're just human. You know? So Yes. There there are times where the ref will not notice that the offensive lineman moved.   Exactly.  

[00:38:45] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. Sometimes it will happen to those you know In this in this Chiefs ones, it was very, very, very obvious when they did the replay because he, like, moved all the way across he he moved forward all the way across the ball   before the ball was hiked. I mean, this is the thing that the ref should have seen.  

[00:39:03] Jesse Fries:

Well,   correct. But   everything is  

[00:39:07] Jamon Fries:

twenty twenty in hindsight. You know, that's Absolutely. And and the the thing is, though, is that I would never say that that's a reason to get rid of the tush push.  

[00:39:16] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Because that shit happens  

[00:39:19] Jamon Fries:

all the time.   If if you're on if you're on a if you're on a fourth and one and you're going for it, even if you don't have the tush push in your in your repertoire,   you're still going to be   right there   as close to that line of scrimmage as you can get.  

[00:39:36] Jesse Fries:

Just because you don't like the advantage that the Eagles have with the tush push   doesn't mean anything. You know? You'd see so they've so this their their team find their their thing. You you know, the Chiefs, they had the refs on their side. You know? I don't see a problem.  

[00:39:51] Jamon Fries:

Well, no. You did see a problem. You mentioned that quite frequently last year.  

[00:39:56] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Because it was ridiculous.   It was against everybody, you know. It's a it's, like, if the Chiefs are just complaining, they're the only ones complaining really about the whole thing. It's, like, okay. It's a tush push. Okay. We know what it can do. We know so you stop them before it gets to that point. You know? It's just   yeah. No. It's   yeah. No. There there's a lot wrong with football.  

[00:40:17] Jamon Fries:

Well, it it wasn't it wasn't just the t it wasn't the Chiefs that were the strongest against the tush push. It was basically every NFL team that that played the Eagles.  

[00:40:27] Jesse Fries:

The Right. But   but they had the option to make it illegal.   Yeah. And the owners decided not to. Yep. The owners of the entire league. Yeah. So  

[00:40:39] Jamon Fries:

Which which, you know, I mean, to me, in order to make a play illegal,   it would have to give   a   number one,   an   extremely   unnatural advantage.   Right. Right. The tush push does not give an extremely unnatural advantage because any team, if they practice it hard enough, could do it. Mhmm.   And really all it is is taking  

[00:41:06] Jesse Fries:

mhmm. Go ahead.   Oh, it's just taking a play that has always happened. There's a runner.   Mhmm. And it   stopped, and so their team comes up behind and pushes them. This has always happened Yeah. In any of these situations.  

[00:41:22] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. I mean So   you you see those huge big balls that end up on the field because you've got one runner and   Yes. Opposing team   team is all on one side, their team is all on the other, and they're basically having a rugby scrub.  

[00:41:38] Jesse Fries:

Right. And so what you would have to do is you would actually have to outlaw being able to push the runner from the back. Yes.   You would have to outlaw   everything   associated with that because it happens. Absolutely. It happens all the time with, running backs,   everything like that. It doesn't matter. Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. So you would That is absolutely basically have to you'd have to outlaw it all. Play it somewhere. You can't push your runner from the back. Yep.  

[00:42:05] Jamon Fries:

The only other   thing that you could do is you could,   outlaw quarterback sneaks.   That would that would that would impact it as well because, I mean, quarterback sneaks are not are things No. No. It's true.  

[00:42:18] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I mean, you would have to pick   something. One of those two, you'd have to pick Yeah. To outlaw. Just blanket. You know? Otherwise, it's just  

[00:42:27] Jamon Fries:

I mean, the the only way that you could do a law like that the the only way that you could ban it using any anything like that would be to say that   while in the pocket,   the quarterback cannot advance the ball.   Yep. Yep.   You know, if they have to go scramble, then yes, you can advance the ball because you're no longer in the pocket. But, you know, stuff like that would be the only way to do it.   Yeah.   The only other the only other reason that I could see for banning it is if it caused injury. And I have not heard of a single injury yet from a tush push  

[00:43:04] Jesse Fries:

play. Nope. I haven't either because it's just like any other play where you push the runner from the back. Yeah. Exactly.   That's all. So, yeah, I mean Nothing to ever Yeah. It's just designed that way. Absolutely.  

[00:43:16] Jamon Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:43:17] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Well, yeah, I think we covered sports enough. I I think we've got anything else. Sports related they could think of.   Let's see here. Well,   my national news is basically just all about assassinations and killings and things like that.   So,   apparently,   a a guy was arrested,   going into State Farm Stadium in Arizona,   head of a Charlie Kirk memorial,   and he had the knife and a gun.   He had inactive police credentials.   And the story just didn't make sense to the security, and so security   got arrested and everything like that because it's like, what are you doing here? He goes, I'm part of security, and they go,   no. You're not.  

So   yeah. Yeah.   I I swear to God, people.   And then   some guy,   shot up a wedding.   Yeah. I heard that.   That. Yeah. He was, shouting free Palestine   for whatever reason. Nobody really actually fully understands   why. It was just a wedding at a country club.   So Yeah. You know, it's like,   okay, dude.   He killed somebody.   Mhmm. And now   that bride is devastated beyond belief side by side because Oh, yeah. I mean You know, for the bride, weddings, that's their day. You know? They Yeah. They drink wine their entire life. To many of them, the wedding is the most important day of their life.  

[00:44:49] Jamon Fries:

Me too. Yeah. Then that becomes the most important day.  

[00:44:53] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Then fuck the husband. Yeah. I know.   But, yeah, it's just been yeah. Yeah. That's just crazy.   And then the other one is that the   so remember a while ago, Kavanaugh, there was a attempted assassination on his on him at his house? Yeah.   Yeah. Apparently, this guy was transgender.   It's, it's come out.   He pleaded guilty.   And during the whole process, the his attorneys are going, well, we're not gonna change his name, but now he goes by this. So in the court, we're gonna call him this, but for   actual legal name, he's not changing it.   So it's all confusing in my book. But, you know, it's like, whatever. Yeah. So just another   person that isn't right in the head,   that   decided to try to do a political assassination.  

Mhmm.   It's,   apparently, it's the world we live in right now. You know? It's like that and school shootings. It's political shootings and school shootings. It's,   Yep.  

[00:46:07] Jamon Fries:

Sad state of affairs. Sad state. For that it is. For that it is.  

[00:46:12] Jesse Fries:

And then from there, it's basically just Palestine. You know? It's a Yeah.   It's it's,   everybody seems to be jumping on the bandwagon   except for The US. So  

[00:46:25] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. There there's a few other countries that are refusing to do the recognition   thing.   Mhmm.   The   the only thing that I have that I have to say about this is   them recognizing   Palestine as a state, as a country   Mhmm. Means   absolutely   nothing.  

[00:46:49] Jesse Fries:

It really doesn't. It it doesn't. So  

[00:46:52] Jamon Fries:

Because in order for Palestine   to become its own separate country,   it has to want to become its own separate country.   This is something that has been proposed to the Palestinians   by the Israelis, by the by the Oh, yeah. International sources   over   numerous decades.  

[00:47:16] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:47:17] Jamon Fries:

As of yet, they have always refused it.   So these countries that are trying   to support Palestine by declaring that they're recognizing it as a country   means absolutely nothing because the Palestinian   government itself,   Hamas,   and the people of Palestine,   of the Palestinian people,   have   always   said no   to their own country.  

[00:47:48] Jesse Fries:

Well, they say that basically  

[00:47:50] Jamon Fries:

what Israel is is their country. Well, this see, that's that's that's the thing is that they they they say no to the to the farming their own country   because   Israel still exists and has its own land.   If Oh, yeah. Exactly. If if the Palestinians   had all had control of all of of Israel,   then they would absolutely   form their own country.   But because they don't, they don't wanna form their own country until they've gotten enough help from everybody else   to push Israel into the sea, basically.  

[00:48:20] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Exactly.   Plus I've heard this thing where it's, like, going, okay. So Palestine   is a country is a state,   apparently, a country.   Where is it? What are its borders?   Okay. And it's like,   I don't know. It's like, well, then how can it be a state or a country? It's a   yeah.   Exactly.   Exactly. So it's like   it's   posturing,   and all it's doing is making Hamas   feel like it's winning.  

[00:48:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:48:53] Jesse Fries:

That that's all it's doing. The US will still back Israel because   we understand why Israel's there.   We haven't gotten over that. We realized World War two happened.   And ever since then,   there's been fighting going on over there. You know? We understand this. You know? And we understand Hamas is a terrorist group. It's a terrorist group, people. Plain and simple.   You know, in Antifa now. You know? And now through Qatar,  

[00:49:18] Jamon Fries:

Hamas is   sending a letter to Trump   Uh-huh.   Asking him to step in and   basically force the negotiations   If they they're they're what they're offering   is a six well, what they're requesting is a sixty day peace fire   Uh-huh.   For half of the hostages that they hold.  

[00:49:46] Jesse Fries:

No give all. That's it.   You have to give all.  

[00:49:51] Jamon Fries:

Is   yeah. If if they give all of the hostages,   Israel will lose basically   all of its   legitimacy   in attacking them.  

[00:50:05] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:50:06] Jamon Fries:

I would say In the in the eye in the eyes of many international   countries and stuff like that, they would Well, right. Right. Well, they they technically don't think that they're that they have legitimacy in doing it now even. But no. I mean, to me,   I I fully I fully agree with   Israel   trying to take out Hamas.  

[00:50:30] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I I think yeah. I think we've said it on this podcast. You know? Yeah. It's,   we we it's and it's not necessarily because it's Israel, because it's Jews. It's not anything like that. It's because Hamas attacked them. And so now Israel can do whatever they want in response. It's just Well, you know, it's and and the the thing is is that the the October  

[00:50:51] Jamon Fries:

was just the final nail in in the coffin   for Hamas. Yep. I mean, because No. Up up until then, they'd constantly be been sending in the Palestinians have constantly sending in suicide bombers. They've been launching missiles into Israel.   I mean, they have been in a de facto state of war   that Israel was not responding   to.   First Well, yeah. And Israel was pretty much ever since Israel   started to exist.  

[00:51:19] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Yeah. It   has been that way. And then October 7, Hamas really attacked. Like, that was the worst attack. Exactly. And now Israel's like, you know what? Fuck it all.  

[00:51:30] Jamon Fries:

We've been putting up with this shit for so long. This is the day we stop putting up with it. No. Yeah. Which  

[00:51:38] Jesse Fries:

I I don't blame them. I know. Yeah.   It's been proven now whether or not, you know, Israel   lives up to what it says or anything like that, you know, but it   it has tried. It said, let's do a two party thing, two state thing. And then the PLO or whatever says no. You know? And so what what's   and then there's all these attacks, you know, and then they have a peace agreement. So, and then all of a sudden, Hamas attacks again. You know? Yeah. It's   Yeah. Hamas was Oh, I I I blame I'm blaming Israel because  

[00:52:10] Jamon Fries:

because they exist. Yeah. But no, Hamas and the PLO have have broken every single piece   piece deal   that Israel has signed with them. Israel   is is all I I can't think of a single instance. I mean, I could be wrong. I'm I may not have done enough research into it, but I can't think of an a single instance where Israel was the one that broke the peace deal.   Right. Right. Yep. So, yeah. No. I if I were Israel, I wouldn't accept the peace deal anymore.  

[00:52:41] Jesse Fries:

They continue to celebrate them.   It means nothing to them. It comes to time you have to say fuck, you know, and say, no. You you you you're toast. That's it. You toast. Absolutely.   No.   So   yeah. I've never understood all that. And then and then, you you know, it's like and then you have, like, Keir Starmer now, The UK PM prime minister. Mhmm. He he he he's recognized   Palestine   as a country.   Right.   But he also put sanctions on him at the same time. It's hilarious. He put sanctions on him to appease Trump. It's like,   so Well, I mean, how how are you gonna do these sanctions? Wait. Wait.  

Wait. They they have nothing. Nothing can come in and out except by Israel's permission.   So The only way you can say this is gonna do that you could sanction Hamas  

[00:53:30] Jamon Fries:

is by   making it so that banks   did could not transfer any money into any   Hamas bank accounts.  

[00:53:41] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:53:43] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. Can they Because the they they they're smart decisions.   And they get a shitload of donations from around the world.  

[00:53:50] Jesse Fries:

No. They do. They do.  

[00:53:52] Jamon Fries:

So the only way that you can sanction Hamas   would be to cut off those donations.  

[00:53:59] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. Yep.   No. Yeah. Which I'm right there with you. They'll never do.  

[00:54:05] Jamon Fries:

Nope. They won't. It's just it's just words. It's all it's it's all words that means absolutely nothing.  

[00:54:12] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And,   I think a lot of the world just wants war anyways, and so they they have this keep going and everything like that. You know? It's, just like Ukraine and everything like that.   Europe seems to want to go to war and everything. You know? So Yeah.   I don't understand it, but, you know, everybody seems to want it. So Well, I mean,  

[00:54:32] Jamon Fries:

I kind of understand it.   In the past, war has always caused economies to thrive.  

[00:54:41] Jesse Fries:

No. No. No. No. No. Actually, no. It actually uses it usually does the opposite.  

[00:54:46] Jamon Fries:

The only time For the people that are waging the war.   Well, right. Right. For the areas where the war is happening.   And No. No. No. Absolutely. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But for the people That's the only time. People completely unrelated that are waging the war, that are providing them weapons and everything else like that, economies thrive because of it.  

[00:55:07] Jesse Fries:

No. I I completely understand. Yeah. Yeah. I I I agree with you on that. But in general,   it's like if Europe went to war,   it would decimate their economy. It would Oh, it would. Really help our economy.  

[00:55:19] Jamon Fries:

It would help our economy better. But once  

[00:55:22] Jesse Fries:

again, they would have to rebuild   gutted cities,   you know, like they did after World War two and everything like that. It's like, do you want to really go back to that? Is that what you want? Is that why you're such a warmonger against Russia right now? Is that really what you want?   You know, it's like   it doesn't make sense to me. Why why why are you pushing so hard   to be a warmong?  

[00:55:45] Jamon Fries:

You you Well, you you know why they're pushing so hard. Right?   Why?   It's because if they push hard enough and get involved in an actual physical war,   we as their allies have to get involved.  

[00:56:00] Jesse Fries:

Not if they started Unless we broke our treaties.   They they But it doesn't matter who starts it. And and and actually, Jamon actually, Jamon, it it doesn't say we have to.   That's one of the misinterpretations   of article five. Let me let me read it. Let's see. Article five.  

[00:56:30] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I know. I know. I'm trying to get things I can read here. No. I I always thought that it specifically said that,   well, we have to get involved in the defense of a country.  

[00:56:41] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Article five. The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered attack against them all. And consequently, they agree that if such an attack occurred, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual and collective self defense recognized by article 51 of the Charter of The United States, will assess parties or or party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with other parties, such actions as it deems necessary,   including the use of,   armed forces to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.  

The key there is such actions as it deems necessary.  

[00:57:19] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So if we decide that it's not necessary for us to defend the euro Yes.  

[00:57:24] Jesse Fries:

Yes. We don't have to. There is an out. Yeah. There is an out in it. Okay.   Yeah. It's basically if we wanna go to war, we can. Okay.   But   it's like it's like when,   Afghanistan,   because Afghanistan,   article five was enacted.   Not every NATO member joined.  

[00:57:45] Jamon Fries:

Right.   So But why would a   why   would why was NATO even even activated for that? I don't quite understand that. Was it because   a terrorist The nine eleven.   Nine eleven. Yeah. But it wasn't that because of the and it wasn't the Taliban that attacked us.  

[00:58:07] Jesse Fries:

But they were hiding. It it doesn't matter why exactly. It's what it was actually I I I know. For the terrorists. Yeah. But but based on the terminology  

[00:58:17] Jamon Fries:

of that treaty,   then   technically,   NATO   the NATO treaty shouldn't have even been activated for that because   nowhere does it say that,   you know, that I mean, yes, we can we they can help us fight the people that attacked us.   But Right. The Taliban   never attacked us. Therefore, why   should they why did they help us remove the Taliban from power?  

[00:58:44] Jesse Fries:

Because   Al Qaeda was there and so on and so forth. That's basically Yeah. I know. But Al Qaeda was everywhere at that point in time. And also it was Saudi Arabia. It was in Pakistan. It was in Also, it Tame Tame you could also argue is, like, is a airplane an armed attack?  

[00:59:00] Jamon Fries:

That that's true.  

[00:59:02] Jesse Fries:

Attack. It's an attack. Yes. But is it But it's not an armed attack. Yeah. Yeah. Well, unless if you go well, they can they created planes to be missiles. So then  

[00:59:12] Jamon Fries:

Right. It it's essentially   if if they essentially turned it into a bomb.  

[00:59:18] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. A missile, you know, because it's fine. So a missile. Yep. Yeah.   So I guess with that maybe, but in general, you know, so yeah. So so yeah.   Article five, it isn't as   it doesn't mean you have to attack. It's just they assume that we will. Yep. So  

[00:59:37] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Yeah. But, you know, they wouldn't be saber rattling like this if they didn't if they weren't fully convinced that we would be   going to war with them.  

[00:59:47] Jesse Fries:

No. No. That that that's true. But, you know, Europe really has caused many of the wars throughout history. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Yeah.   Within Europe and everything like that, it's one of the most violent continents or Yep. Half continent.   Subcontinent. Let's call it a subcontinent because I'm all for not calling it a continent because it's part of Asia. I'm just saying. Right. Yeah.  

[01:00:09] Jamon Fries:

You know? You know? It's a peninsula  

[01:00:10] Jesse Fries:

off of Asia. I love that one. It's a peninsula off of Asia.  

[01:00:16] Jamon Fries:

I love it.   Yeah.  

[01:00:20] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That's one of my favorites.  

[01:00:22] Jamon Fries:

I hope. I hope.  

[01:00:25] Jesse Fries:

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[01:01:34] Jamon Fries:

news. So this stuff was just kind of,   some of it was blah, but I had nothing else to talk about at the time, so I put it in here.  

[01:01:45] Jesse Fries:

Well, but it's slow. We'll discover quickly.  

[01:01:47] Jamon Fries:

Blue Sky says that they're going to be getting a lot more aggressive with moderation and enforcement.   Okay. Because the Which means that many liberals are now getting very bad at Blue Scott very mad at Blue Sky.   They canceled people. They they they dropped people off of it that were that had made comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination.   They've they they've   begun moderating   it much more much more severely. And since   the large   the large group of their consumers   is from the   very   extreme   liberal side.   This has been driving many people insane saying that this is no that it's no longer a good company, that they they can't trust it anymore and all that other stuff. Right.   But yeah. I mean, so Blue Sky is not going to be the   the haven for liberal idea   for liberal extremism anymore according to them.  



[01:02:56] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's good. That's good. Good. Good. Yeah.   Liberals really reacted badly to Charlie Cooper's death. They really it's I I don't think you can even defend it. They just reacted badly to it. You know? It's just   this is what it is, and Blue Sky has to protect itself. It is a business after all. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. So and even the moderates are going, what the hell are you doing, leftists?   Yeah. You know? It's, I wouldn't even call them liberals anymore. They're all just leftists.   Yep. So more like revolutionaries than anything else.   Yeah. Now there are true liberals out there in the Democrat party. Don't get me wrong. Yes. There are. It's just   those bad ones. Yeah. They're leftists.  

You know, nearly revolutionaries   like London and whatnot. Yep.  

[01:03:37] Jamon Fries:

Okay. What else you got? There's a company called Earth Mover that Uh-huh.   Originally, it was set up as   a tool to track   long term climate change   through settlers. Okay.   Uh-huh. But they've   since found that there's really not much the money in that.   So they're switching over to predicting weather.  

[01:04:05] Jesse Fries:

Oh, imagine that. Imagine that. So it's just another   weather prediction. Okay. So they're weather.com.  

[01:04:12] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yep. They are, they're being utilized. They've now got some contracts for,   helping to determine where   forest fires and stuff like that might be   might ramp up, but you know, stuff like that and just general weather patterns and things like that. So they have data on like the undergrowth that hasn't been cleared? Is that No. No. They don't.   Then it's not because it's all from a satellite.   No. I understand. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. No. Essentially, what they're tracking is droughts, you know, where where moisture is low and stuff like that that could that could cause a forest fire.   And, you know, in most forest fires   yeah. In most in most forest fires, if you didn't have all of that undergrowth,   you'd have a fire, but it wouldn't be nearly as bad as what it the way it gets.  



[01:05:02] Jesse Fries:

No. Yeah. Completely. Completely. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:05:07] Jamon Fries:

So I just found it hilarious that, you know, another company that had   that that was trying to prove and to correct   the long term climate change stuff   had to Mhmm. Say, you know what? We need to be concentrated. We we need to look more at what's happening now   versus what might happen thirty years out because it's not really financially stable to do that.  

[01:05:32] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense to me. Makes sense to me. Yeah.  

[01:05:36] Jamon Fries:

And,   my final business is is Blue Origin   Mhmm. Has won the NASA deal to ferry the VIPER rover   to the lunar solar South Pole.  

[01:05:50] Jesse Fries:

Can they get something to the moon?  

[01:05:53] Jamon Fries:

According to them, they're supposed to be able to,   but I mean But they've never actually got They've only had 35 successful launches so far.  

[01:06:02] Jesse Fries:

But none of them into orbit   even?  

[01:06:06] Jamon Fries:

No. They are they are now delivering payloads into orbit.  

[01:06:10] Jesse Fries:

Are they? Okay.  

[01:06:11] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Yes. In January   was they did their first,   their first launch up into orbit.   They they don't have the the capability of sending men and people into orbit yet, but they can they can now send goods into orbit.   And so they have 35 successful launches, which to them and the, I guess, the government   means, yes, we're ready to send   for you to send our   rover   to the moon, which   has been known lately as being one of the hardest places to put a rover down.  

[01:06:49] Jesse Fries:

Well, fun. Let's see if they can actually do it, you know. It's, it's,  

[01:06:54] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. No. I I guess   it the the rover program had been put on delay because,   they were just spending way too much money in building the rover.   So now so so now so NASA put out a bid saying, you know,   we're looking for somebody that can do this that's not going to cost us any more money.   And Blue Origin said, we can do it.  

[01:07:20] Jesse Fries:

Bezos is good. I'll do it for free, man. Just help us out, man. Give me a contract,   man. So okay. Speaking of the moon, I I can't apply this one. It it was kind of funny. It was like the the title of the headline is moon lightning conspiracy theories crushed.   You know? So you're going, okay. And I'm reading through it. I'm like, oh, that doesn't crush anything. I I don't know what   it's like they go, the flag shouldn't flutter, you know, because that's what they say in the conspiracy theory and everything like that. And then they go, well, physics says because they move the pole, the flag would move. It's like, do you think people are actually gonna listen to this?   You know? Hell no. Because you come up with   you know, it's like everybody   most people,   rational people, not conspiracy theorists, they'll go, okay. Yeah. I I don't see a problem with that. But conspiracy theorists will always go,   no.  

You know, they're not gonna believe it. It's just not gonna happen. So I I think it's funny that somebody can write an article going, well, this proves it. It's like, sure. I I I saw I saw a short,  

[01:08:30] Jamon Fries:

a short video on YouTube with, Neil deGrasse Tyson.   Uh-huh. And and he was like, you know, there was one time somebody came up to me and he said,   if anybody   if I'm gonna trust anybody telling me that that we went to the moon, it would be you.   So can you prove to me that we went to the moon?   Right.   And so he started so he started referencing   and showing video of   a Japanese satellite that passed by the moon   that allowed you that made it you could see the tire tracks, you could see the flag, you could see the landing sign, you could see all that.   Right.  

And the guy was like,   I saw down in the corner that this was that NASA was involved in this. So we're not gonna trust that. Do you have any other any other proof?  

[01:09:25] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Here's the proof.   I don't trust that source. Any other it's like, what Chorus what what are you gonna it's like they wouldn't trust SpaceX probably because they're a Nope.   Governmental,   contractor. You know, they wouldn't trust this. So it's like, what would you actually trust, dude? What would you actually trust? You know, it's,  

[01:09:44] Jamon Fries:

There's only one there's only one place that I can think of that they would trust.   Uh-huh. And that's if China sent a satellite that that saw it on the moon.   Even then, I doubt it. I really don't. I I don't That's the closest I can get to giving them proof though that they might trust.   No. It it's just it's just it's so hilarious.   Even even Neil deGrasse Tyson was like, you know what? At that point in time, I just gave up.   There is Yeah. That's interesting. Going to give convince him of it.  

[01:10:17] Jesse Fries:

And you're never good convince conspiracy theorists of it. No. No. You won't. Do it. It's just No.  

[01:10:23] Jamon Fries:

It doesn't matter. You know? Because no matter how much data and proof you show them,   everything   in their mind   would be made up.  

[01:10:34] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly.   Yeah. Yeah. Nothing you can do about it. Nothing you can do about it. Nope.  

[01:10:42] Jamon Fries:

Okay. And now on to on to more   Earth based science.   Uh-huh. There's a   kind of interesting thing with, neurosensing   figure being able to capture brain waves and stuff like that.   Beef from before this, the only way that you could do it was by   either putting a sensor on top on the brain. You you'd have to remove part of the skull, put a sensor on the brain, or put little wires down into the brain.   Right. Well, these these people decided that they were going to send those wires   into the blood vessels.   And so that so they put the they put little tiny filament wires into the blood vessels,   and they can interact with the brain. They can send signals to the brain through it. They can retrieve signals from the brain through it.  

The only concern that I would have with this is,   does that enhance the possibility of stroke or something like that?   Because you're adding something into a blood vessel that could potentially   be something for for the blood to latch onto and form a clot.   But other than that, I mean, it's pretty cool.  

[01:12:00] Jesse Fries:

I don't know. Sounds kinda borgish to me.  

[01:12:03] Jamon Fries:

It kinda does, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's,  

[01:12:08] Jesse Fries:

that we're gonna be the foundation of the borg. That's what we're gonna be.  

[01:12:13] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Yep.   But yeah. So that's, that's   that's   an another approach that they're taking into the   into communicating with the brain and figuring out, you know, the all the, like, epilepsy and stuff like that. So Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting.   Yeah. And   then   on something very near and dear to my heart,   there is a   weight loss. There is a new   obesity drug out there.  

[01:12:46] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:12:48] Jamon Fries:

It entered into human testing   last year, and they expect the test to be done next year.  

[01:12:55] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:12:57] Jamon Fries:

It's an   RNA shot  

[01:13:03] Jesse Fries:

that Oh, okay.  

[01:13:04] Jamon Fries:

Changes   how your mitochondria   work. It changes   the how your fat cells work.   It turns them turns the fat cells in from white fat, which is a storing fat,   into brown fat, which is an energy providing fat.   Right. Right. And it ramps up mitochondrial   activity, thereby making it so that you   utilize   you you need more energy   to function.  

[01:13:35] Jesse Fries:

Right.   Boy, that sounds Yeah.   That sounds a bit crazy. And  

[01:13:44] Jamon Fries:

That to me, that seems like there could be some pretty bad long term ramifications   that, for example,   you would have to definitively   everyone's caloric intake would, by necessity,   have to be increased   after taking this   drug. You lose the weight, but then if you didn't start   if since it's an RNA change, it's going to be a permanent change in the body.   Yes. So then you start eating and eating. Yeah. Which means that your body is going to always, for the rest of your life, burn much more energy,   which means that you have to eat more, which means that your food costs are going to go up,   which means inflation is gonna   kill you.  



[01:14:30] Jesse Fries:

And then, you know, what farming does, that leads to, like, climate change, of course, as everybody says. You know? And there you go. You know? Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Thank you.   Yeah. That is not for   me. No.   But you're Once I saw once I heard RNA, I'm like, oh.  

[01:14:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Exactly. That that was kind of my thought too. Now the the purpose of this is and and the the good side to it, they say,   is that once you're once you're no longer receiving that shot   now here here's the thing I don't know.   If it just if it's just changing the mitochondria   and the cells   at the injection time  

[01:15:15] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:15:17] Jamon Fries:

Well, those cells all die and your body reproduces new cells.   So Right. If if your body does not   reproduce new cells with these changes, if it if the if the cells that they that that get reborn are the old form of cell,   then potentially, you wouldn't have those ramifications.  

[01:15:40] Jesse Fries:

Because Well, yeah. They do say that   there's that whole thing where it's like they say that your body   technically, you're like a completely new person every seven years or something like that because all the new cells have died out and new ones have replaced it. Yeah. So  

[01:15:54] Jamon Fries:

Exactly.   And and Maybe. I don't know. And and the advantage to this one that they're saying though is that unlike the appetite appetite suppressor of the GLP ones.   Mhmm. With this one, once you're off of that shot,   you do not your weight does not start coming back again.  

[01:16:17] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. No. That that that's,   that is a major benefit.   Yes. Yeah. That's the one thing about the GLP ones. It's like you have to take that for the rest of your life. Yeah. So it's   Yeah. It's not really something I would look for. No. No. No. So it's if if after,  

[01:16:35] Jamon Fries:

say, ten, fifteen years,   they do studies and find out that somebody that that took this   at at one point in time lost a whole bunch of weight, and then   after a part certain part period of time when their cells were when those cells had died and the new ones were formed. If they do studies that then find that that the old that the cell the new cells   are the same,   have the same makeup as the cells before the injection,   then I would say that this would probably be one of the safest   non,   non,   fuck. What's the word?   Where you're dedicated to it. You know, where where you   where you have to set your mind to doing it. This would be this would be something that was just an automatic weight loss as long as you didn't increase your car your, cal caloric intake.  

What because, you know, you're using more energy.  

[01:17:41] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. Right. But then you're using more energy, which may may make you more hungry,   which  

[01:17:49] Jamon Fries:

Right. I don't See, the the the well, to see, there that's the thing is that while your while your   mitochondria are are jacked up and while your fat cells are converted,   you will your your body will be utilizing more energy, but   that energy will be coming from the fat in your body. You don't have to increase your caloric intake for it. Now once you get down to your ideal weight, then you would have to increase your caloric intake   until your mitochondria were no longer in the jacked up state.  

[01:18:23] Jesse Fries:

It it it sounds   fishy. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. It it does. Yeah.   Sounds fishy. Sounds fishy. Yep.   What doesn't sound fishy is that I saw this thing where it's, like, for EVs.   Mhmm. Apparently, they've come up with   a a pretty good,   technology for solar power that would charge Okay.   What is it?   Anywhere between 15 to 40 miles a day just on the sun itself.   Oh, nice. So you just park it, and it'll gain 15 to 40   miles per day. So, you know, it's like for, like, city and everything like that, it makes sense. It means you may   never have to actually, like, charge it or anything like that. Yeah. At least you're not planning a road trip somewhere.  

Yep. Yep. Yep.   Yeah. That's pretty cool.   Yeah. And apparently, there's a company,   Aptera Motors.   It's out of Carlsbad, California.   But apparently, they're coming out with a truck that's $40,000   worth of car.   It'll be   next year. So Oh, okay.   And its range would be 400 miles, so pretty good range on it. So Yeah. That's not too bad.   Yeah. Yeah. 40 to 15. Yeah. It's a Seattle, you get, like, two.   That day.  

[01:19:47] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I don't it doesn't say that, but I'm just saying it. Right. Yeah. No. No. Yeah. See Seattle, you're not gonna see the sun too much, so you're not gonna be able to charge for very much. So yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely.   That's that's beautiful.   Yeah. I've I've always I've always thought, you know, if they if somebody could come up with a way to   power an electric vehicle that didn't require being plugged in,   You know, any any form of energy, I mean, they've they've gotten to the point now where they can turn rain into energy   Yep. Through it moving down tubes and stuff like that.  



[01:20:25] Jesse Fries:

So I I think we'll get some place.  

[01:20:28] Jamon Fries:

It'll it just takes it it takes a lot of It it takes it takes time. It takes a lot of research. It takes a lot of ingenuity.   You know, like, if if they could figure out a way to   to just make it so that the air moving over a vehicle   would provide a charge because I'm sure that because there is some friction there, so that would produce some some electrical charge.   You know,   if they could do that, I mean, you know,   ramp it up a bit. And   as long as you're driving the car, you got nothing to worry about. You can go forever. Yeah. But that gets into that, perpetual motion machine sort of situation. Yes. Yes.  

[01:21:07] Jesse Fries:

Is the output is the input more than the output, you know? Yeah. Which is what you would need for that sort of situation. Right. Absolutely. And and, you know, I I  

[01:21:16] Jamon Fries:

eventually, we may get there. We're we're not even close to it yet, but eventually, we may get there. And I think that would be pretty cool. Never having to put gas in your car   or plug your car in. I'd be happy with that.  

[01:21:29] Jesse Fries:

Whatever process it would be, you know, doesn't matter. So  

[01:21:33] Jamon Fries:

Yep.   Okay. Now on for the   final   well, some of the the next two stories I've got,   you have to give the warning that   studies   have been   scientifically proven through another study to be inaccurate.  

[01:21:53] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Okay. So what do these inaccurate studies say? Well, they may be accurate. I'm just saying so   some are but  

[01:22:06] Jamon Fries:

So so the first one, it's,   it could be accurate. But   they   once again, very, very limited   study with having to knock out   some things, some people some some of the things that they wanted to study, because it didn't fit into what they were trying to do according to them.  

[01:22:29] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:22:31] Jamon Fries:

They did a study that said that if   hospitals   changed their food   to   foods that are less dense in saturated   fats  

[01:22:45] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[01:22:47] Jamon Fries:

Then it would have a positive effect on climate change.  

[01:22:51] Jesse Fries:

Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, this is out of The UK, isn't it? Yeah. It's out of The UK.   Figures. I swear to God.   Let let's make hospital food even worse.  

[01:23:04] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Exactly.   But yeah. The the the one that the one hospital that they dropped out of their study   was because they only provide six different menu items   instead of the, like,  

[01:23:21] Jesse Fries:

the instant Oh, I have a leaf blower going here. So if you guys hear that,   I please pardon the leaf blower in the background.  

[01:23:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I don't hear it. So   hopefully, the right way people don't either.   But, yeah, no. Like, the weekly menu is five groups of three dishes formed a total of 1,401,400   unique combinations,   which was reduced to 113,400   after applying a requirement that at least one vegetarian   dish be offered daily.   Oy.   Oy. So saying that only that you had to offer one vegetarian dish   daily Mhmm.   Reduced the number of of varieties of the menu   from 1,401,000   to 113,000.  

[01:24:15] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Sure.   Yeah. I don't see it.  

[01:24:21] Jamon Fries:

Essentially, what what the study says is, you know, you should be eating more fit that you should replace replace meat completely   with fish.   Well, not not meat, but you should not have   beef or pork   or   or lamb or goat or anything like that. Anything tasty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anything tasty. Yes. Anything that has flavor.   Mhmm. Essentially remove any red   or   any red meat,   and Right. Probably chicken too. Right?   They The real chicken? I don't know if they removed chicken or not, but probably.  

[01:24:59] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Okay. And it it that yeah. Let's just over fish the oceans. Yeah.  

[01:25:04] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. So   it it over fish the oceans and turn all land into growing vegetables   is what they want to have happen.  

[01:25:20] Jesse Fries:

Sounds   like a horrible world.   Sounds like something The UK would do right now. Yeah. It really does. Yeah. It definitely does.  

[01:25:28] Jamon Fries:

So the other study   and,   yeah.   I I looked at this one and   saw something in it that just completely drove me nuts.   So Mhmm. This was a study that was done   by   one of the premier doctors   about or against the ultra processed foods.  

[01:25:53] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[01:25:54] Jamon Fries:

Because they make you gain weight  

[01:25:57] Jesse Fries:

is what he said.   Okay. However,  

[01:26:03] Jamon Fries:

in the two studies that he's done,   he's done two different studies that showed that that this was true.  

[01:26:11] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:26:12] Jamon Fries:

Neither of them were   a lot of people. The first one was 20 people. The second one was 36 people.  

[01:26:21] Jesse Fries:

What? Yeah. That's it? Yeah.  

[01:26:25] Jamon Fries:

Jesus. The first one,   they had their standard diet,   which was ultra which was non processed   foods.   Mhmm. And they ate that for a certain period of time.   Okay? Okay.   And then they had them switch over to ultra processed foods.  

[01:26:45] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. But  

[01:26:49] Jamon Fries:

they increased calories by 500   for the first group.  

[01:26:57] Jesse Fries:

What?  

[01:26:58] Jamon Fries:

And said that it was the ultra processed foods that made them lose that made them gain the weight.  

[01:27:03] Jesse Fries:

Not not the extra 500 calories. That's a lot of calories.  

[01:27:06] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It is.   The second test Chris.   They increased the ultra   processed calories by a thousand   from the   this can't be considered a a study.   You don't have any controls.  

[01:27:27] Jesse Fries:

You you really don't. And you're you're you're   you're not it's not even calorie for calorie. No. It it's You're you're not comparing like to like.   You really aren't. Just a additional  

[01:27:39] Jamon Fries:

A thousand that's Half a thousand freaking calories extra calories a day.  

[01:27:45] Jesse Fries:

That's half of the daily allowance.  

[01:27:47] Jamon Fries:

The average person has.   Just to make this kind of obvious for everybody out there,   my weight is insanely high.   Mhmm. According to everything   that deals with metabolic rates and stuff like that, all the studies out there, I should be eating to maintain weight an average of about 3,500   calories a day.   Mhmm. And that would maintain me at about five hundred and fifty pounds.  

[01:28:17] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[01:28:19] Jamon Fries:

Right now,   I eat about 2,000 calories a day,   which would which is a weight loss for me because well, you know, it's 1,500 calories less.   Well, you're also like one six five. So it's Yeah. I'm six foot six. Yeah.  

[01:28:39] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. So   you you're you're just a big person anyways.   Yes. You're not you're not a precise person. No. No. No. No. I'm not. No.  

[01:28:49] Jamon Fries:

And but so   that extra 1,500 calories a day   because I've cut it back,   I'm I'm losing weight fairly significantly.   When I started my diet, this my most recent diet, I was about five twenty pounds.   Now about three weeks later, I'm at five zero three.   Nice. I had, I had dropped down to five ninety to four ninety one.   But then mom and dad came and visited and I we started eating gluten free food and stuff like that. So you know, kind of, kind of blew my diet a little bit there. But now I'm coming back from that I'm   getting rid of a lot of the water weight from the excess salt that I eat and stuff like that. So,   but   so adding that extra 1,000 calories a day to your diet   is going to cause you to gain   I I mean, you're you're instead of eating for a normal weight person, you're eating for a per you're eating the amount of food that a person, say,   two hundred pounds overweight   would be eating.  

Right, right, right, right. Or which is going to vary six inches taller than you or something. Yes. Yes. Which is going to very quickly   increase   your weight.   And yet they said that this proves that it's the ultra processed food that's doing it.  

[01:30:20] Jesse Fries:

That's hilarious.   I love it.   Yeah. It it doesn't matter if it's ultra processed or not. No. The the more calories you intake, it's calorie in, calorie out. That is technically all it is. You you you know, it's it's like,   sometimes if you eat less, sometimes your body starts to hold on to some, and so it's harder to Yeah. Lose weight. Yeah. But, you you know, it it's generally calorie in, calorie out. It's just what it is. You know? It's like hormones play play a factor in it as well.   Right. I I've noticed that with   Carol and everything like that. She's going through perimenopause. So, you know, it's like   it's just it's a crazy time in the woman's life. Yeah. She is absolutely.  

So it   to actually   for the body, it's just it's just crazy. So yeah. Yeah. So Yep. Well, you know,  

[01:31:14] Jamon Fries:

I I've always wondered why ultra processed foods, they thought it may would made you gain weight, that it led to obesity.   Mhmm. There's a couple factors that I could see. You they're they're generally much more heavily salted than regular foods are.   Therefore   Right. Your water retention is going to be increased, which is why many times when you start a diet,   you very quickly lose a whole bunch of weight at the beginning because you've gotten rid of all that water. You're no longer eating as much sodium.   Right.  

But then there's the other chemicals and stuff in there. But those other chemicals and stuff, I don't believe   cause weight gain.   They may affect your body either ways.  

[01:31:57] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. See, my theory on that is that generally ultra processed foods, the caloric is very concentrated.   The calories are very concentrated. Yeah. It's like a candy bar. You know, a candy bar, it's like this tiny little thing. That tiny little thing is basically pure sugar and pure Yeah.   Whatnot. And a small little candy bar, that'll be, like, 250, like a Snickers or something like that. Mhmm.   It's not gonna fill you up. No. You you you know, it it'll get you through the day, but it's not like a good it doesn't fill up your stomach. You know? You just have to have it in your mind. The energy, but you're still going to have the desire to eat because your stomach is empty. Yes. Yes. It's the concentrated   it's   it's the concentration of calories instead of it's like you eat an apple, which has very few calories, generally less than a 100.  

Yep. And then but you get full on it because at Apple, it fills your stomach. Yeah. You know? Or or even a potato.   Yep. A potato. It's like   it was like because I've been I've been trying to lose weight too and everything like that. So I I put in my calorie thing. I go, okay. I weighed this potato, a russet potato. Right? It was, like,   it was it was half a kilo. So that was, like, a pound. Right? Yep. A little over a pound.   The calories in that were, like, 200.   Yeah.   In a pound of food.   Yeah. I got   I don't know if I could eat that.   Yeah. It's,   but yeah. It it so it's it is I think it's a concentration of calories, not necessarily the the the chemicals or this or that. You know? It's I I I I really don't buy that. I I've never really have.  



[01:33:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I completely   I could I I can see that definitely. Yeah. You know, if it weren't for the fact that I was also worried about, sugar intake because I Right. Well, now, technically, I used to be diabetic.   Yep. Yep. The last   the last test said I'm no longer in the diabetic range. So very happy about that. But   because of that, I've had to eliminate a lot of starches from my food. So I can't do the potatoes. I can't do stuff like that.   So Right. If I can keep my sugar levels down and remain non diabetic, then I can start incorporating those back into my diet,   which will mean that I actually eat   less   food.  



[01:34:21] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[01:34:23] Jamon Fries:

Because right now,   I'm eating basically meat and eggs. That's about all I eat. So yeah.   Yeah, I would like to be able to start eating potatoes and stuff like that. It makes it a lot easier to plan your meals.  

[01:34:38] Jesse Fries:

It really does. It It really does. You you know, it's like, four ounces of meat and a potato. You know? It's like Yeah.   That's a meal. You know? It's like because I had it with, because I make, carnitas and barbacoa and everything at home. You know? I had it with, like, four ounces of carnitas.   You you know? So the whole meal, it was something like   five fifty or 600 calories for Yeah. You know, I eat two meals a day. So it's like,  

[01:35:01] Jamon Fries:

I can still have a lot of beer after that. Yeah. Yeah. You know? But, I mean, like, you know, with me, I I eat, like, a lot of pulled pork and stuff like that. So it's very easy to throw a pork butt into the crock pot and let it cook down. That it gives you Well, that's basically carnitas. So Did you know that? Did you know that? That's basically carnitas. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.   That's basically need to add, if I remember correctly, I would just need to add some spices and stuff to it to make Yeah. The Mexican the Mexican spices, you know, oregano, cumin, and whatnot. Yep. Yeah. But it's basically the same sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   And   the fat intake and the fat and the protein in there means that I'm eat I have I'm eating about, like,   10 to 12 ounces   of meat for my meal. Mhmm.  

Yep. Because I'm not having those carbohydrates.   So if I could get to Oh, yeah. Wait. Wait. Those carbohydrates again,   I won't have to eat nearly as much meat. I my nutrition   levels will probably would probably be a little bit better.   Mhmm.   It's the biggest reason I also eat a lot of eggs is because I have most of the nutrients   need. But, that makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah. So it's it's amazing how   food   can change things for you.  

[01:36:20] Jesse Fries:

It really can. It really is. It really is.   And my Okay. What's the last story here, Jimin?   Yeah. Let's do that.  

[01:36:30] Jamon Fries:

You know how hard it is with   DEI   and   grades   and everything else like that? Just how hard it is to get into college?   Sure.   Well, in China, they've they've now made it even harder. There's now more competition.   Uh-huh.   They have sent a robot   for a into a PhD level,   arts class.  

[01:37:02] Jesse Fries:

PhD arts class? Why art?  

[01:37:06] Jamon Fries:

The this robot, they want it to they they wanna train it on,   the classical Chinese dance.   And so it could it can do the verbal aspect, but it can't do the movements.   So they're sending it to school   to   basically videotape the movements of of all the teachers and stuff   like that to try to make it so that it can so that it can do those as well.   I I guess their thought is maybe I I I don't know. They didn't the article didn't say this, but maybe there's so few people going into it that to prefer to to,   to hang on to the heritage of the of the traditional Chinese dance, they they're gonna have robots do it.   Weird.  



[01:37:56] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. All I gotta say.  

[01:37:58] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But they are now sending a robot to college.  

[01:38:03] Jesse Fries:

Well, there you go. I  

[01:38:08] Jamon Fries:

modern times. Modern times. Yeah. Yeah. No longer do you have to just compete about other compete against other humans. You now have to compete against a robot for that call for that seat in the college classes.  

[01:38:23] Jesse Fries:

Welcome to the new world, and thank you for joining us for episode 64 of the Minus Meandering podcast. I'm Jesse Fries. And I'm Jamin Fries.   And we will see you on Thursday.