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(00:00:20) Introduction and Debate Discussion

(00:24:02) Eiffel Tower Olympic Rings Controversy

(00:26:56) School Shooting and Bullying

(00:48:18) Parental Responsibility in School Shootings

(00:51:50) Taylor Swift and Mahomes' Wife Controversy

(00:52:40) Winston Churchill and World War II Debate

(00:58:59) Meta's Stance on Hate Speech

(01:01:48) Apple's Legal and Regulatory Issues in the EU

(01:04:48) Greening the Sinai Peninsula

(01:14:20) Value for Value Model and Conclusion

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[00:00:20] Jesse Fries:

Welcome to the mindless meanderings   podcast. I am your host, Jesse Friese.  

[00:00:26] Jamon Fries:

And I'm his cohost and brother, Jamin Friese.  

[00:00:29] Jesse Fries:

Welcome to the Mindless Seat. And, we talk about many different things,   but let's start off today with,   what's in the news, which is, the debate. Oh, it's gotta be the debate. Yeah. Everything's about the debate.   So did you watch it? It is.  

[00:00:47] Jamon Fries:

I actually did. I've I've watched it a couple times just to, you know, make sure that I heard what I thought I heard.  

[00:00:53] Jesse Fries:

A couple times? Oh, dude. You're glad to see punishment.   That's,  

[00:00:59] Jamon Fries:

Hey. It's so funny, though. The second time I watched it through because I had because I remembered a lot of the stuff that they said in the first the first time I watched it, I found a lot of stuff that I didn't really hear the second time or the first time around. So, you know, that's why I decided to watch it that second time was just to so that I could hear everything.  

[00:01:19] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I could I can understand that. I can understand that. So so in all, just overall, who do you think won?  

[00:01:33] Jamon Fries:

I liked   I I liked Trump a lot,   but   I'm not sure   for for just general people.   Right. Harris might have slightly pulled it off, Alex. Okay. I I'm not sure, though.  

[00:01:50] Jesse Fries:

Okay. There seems to be the consensus out there from what I've seen.   CNN did a poll,   and they said that, like, 63%   said that Harris won. But it's CNN poll, so you never know on that part. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:02:04] Jamon Fries:

I know.   Yeah. As Trump said before the before this thing, he said, you know, even if I blow her away, they're gonna stay still say that she won it.  

[00:02:15] Jesse Fries:

Right. But if from everything I could tell, because I I also, check, like, the Wall Street Journal and everything like that, which is more conservative.   Yeah. And Yeah. They're pretty much also saying Harris won,   in general. Just   now they said that they   the moderators   were a little bit nicer to her and everything like that, but that was really about it. So Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's typical, though. I mean,  

[00:02:41] Jamon Fries:

there's all the moderators will always have their tilt.  

[00:02:44] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Completely. Completely. So since you watched it twice, what is your rundown of it?  

[00:02:53] Jamon Fries:

Well, there there was   something that I found   absolutely   amusing.   Mhmm. And that was   Kamala Harris's very first   intro into   what the debate was gonna be.   She said, you're gonna hear the same old playbook, lies, grievances, and name calling.   Right. And the first thing she does is go into lies, grievances, and name calling.   She was saying we're gonna hear it from Trump, but she I didn't hear anything new   out of her out of her mouth that I haven't heard for the last   I mean, from from from anyone on the Democrat side that I haven't heard from the last   5 years now.  



[00:03:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:03:40] Jamon Fries:

I I mean, there there's just yeah. It's so it's can it's frustrating that that, you know, they they say that that this person's gonna do all this, but they do it themselves too and, you know, as if they're better than them.  

[00:03:55] Jesse Fries:

Well, of course. Everybody thinks they're better than the other person. So yeah.  

[00:04:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. But, I mean, you know, it just there there was,   there there was a lot of   a lot of stuff that was talked about that just really,   it didn't really go anywhere. It didn't it didn't tell me anything about either one of the either one of the candidates.   And that's something that I've always disliked about about Trump in his in the way he handles debates   is that   I'm I'm actually interested in hearing   what they think   about doing   instead of   always talking about the opponent in a negative light.   Right. Right. You know? And   the you know, Harris had a couple of times where she talked about what she was gonna do with abortion   and with,   jobs and stuff like that, trying to to increase them the in the economy for the middle class people.  



[00:04:56] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:04:57] Unknown:

But  

[00:05:00] Jamon Fries:

I didn't find any of it really that realistic.   You know? None none of it really seems   like a good idea.   You know, she wants to she wants to give   parents   in   you know, for the like, I think it was $6,000   or something like that for their for, for for a newborn child.  

[00:05:21] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[00:05:23] Jamon Fries:

I mean, you know, the and that might actually help decrease the number of abortions and stuff like that because a lot of them a lot of that's done because the parent just can't the parent potential parents just can't afford to have a child. Well, yeah. But $6,000   isn't much value. Is that it? Bucks ain't nothing. It it's it's it's a drop in the bucket.  

[00:05:43] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. So what? Like,   before the pandemic,   $6,000 was what, $4,000?  

[00:05:50] Unknown:

So Something like that. Yeah.  

[00:05:54] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, it's it it really has no effect on anything.   Yeah. I I don't like the one thing I didn't like about one one of the things I didn't like about Kamala was   that she often referred to how she was from a middle class family and all that other stuff. Uh-huh.   I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone in politics that's actually from a middle class family.   Her father was a Stanford I believe Stanford professor.   That's not exactly middle class.  

[00:06:26] Jesse Fries:

Well well, it   it really is actually if you consider it, but it's also   but it's a different level of  

[00:06:35] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   It is. It's not the middle class that I think of anyways.  

[00:06:39] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. Right. When you think of middle class, you think about people working, doing 9 to 5 and everything like that.  

[00:06:45] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You think about the blue collar worker and, you know, the Right. The you it's it's the people that are out there doing something with their hands and with their bodies to   to create something or, you know, stuff like that. Those are the people that are in the middle class. It's not the people   that just use their brains and get a lot of money.  

[00:07:05] Jesse Fries:

No. No. Actually actually, it is that. It is using your brains. That is it's like Wow. When when we grew up, we, we were decidedly in the middle class, upper middle class with, how much Upper middle class. Yes. Exactly. Exactly.   But even then middle class, all it means is basically you're just taking the middle part of income earners and that's it. Yeah, I know. I know. You know, the only   real, like, blue collar that are, like, middle class,   are   like, union workers, and then you also have, like, plumbers and electricians and, whatnot.   Those are the Like you like you said, union workers. Because we Exactly. Exactly. But but they're they're they're making   6 figures a year. You know? It's Yeah.  



[00:07:52] Jamon Fries:

So I don't think I guess I've I've never really seen   them people making over over   people making 6 figures. I've never really considered that middle class   because further for me.   Well, I mean, yeah, I I don't know exactly what income levels   mean is is middle class, but,   you know,   for me, I've   I guess I I'm lower class then because I've never made never made more than 35,000   in my life in a year. Right. Right.  

[00:08:26] Jesse Fries:

I'd probably But I've never considered myself lower class. Right. Right. Well, you're also by yourself. Poor. Yeah. You're also by yourself, so you don't have   so, like, to be in the middle class, it depends on, like, your family size. You know what I mean? It's like,   if you have a family of 4 on $35,000,   you're broke.  

[00:08:46] Jamon Fries:

It's just that Yeah. Absolutely. You're poor. Yeah.  

[00:08:50] Jesse Fries:

But if you're making,   35,000   back in the   2000s,  

[00:08:57] Jamon Fries:

all by yourself, you have to make an income. Late nineties, early 2000s.  

[00:09:02] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, for for that, it's you you get to give yourself some luxuries and things like that.   So you felt like you were living, really, really well. But if you have, like, a family of 4, you're screwed on that. So it's,  

[00:09:17] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. For me at that time, it was actually a little bit more than that because   I didn't have a house of my own. I'd lived with mom and dad.  

[00:09:26] Jesse Fries:

Right. Exactly.  

[00:09:27] Jamon Fries:

I was I was an over there truck driver that was home maybe   2 weekends a month, so it didn't really make sense to rent an apartment or anything like that. I mean, that'd just be stupid. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.   And so, you know, I I had   you know, my my food budget, of course, was a lot higher because every single meal was in a restaurant.   You know? And that that gets pretty expensive.  

[00:09:51] Jesse Fries:

It does. It does. It really does. But  

[00:09:54] Jamon Fries:

yeah. So I mean you know? So may maybe maybe that helped me helped it so I didn't feel like I was broke all the time. But, I mean, I I specifically remember,   and this is something that I quite often saw with truck drivers, and this was back before,   the automated banking and stuff like that became really popular.   It was not unusual for me to have, like, 5, $600  

[00:10:19] Jesse Fries:

in my wallet just in cash. Oh, yeah. Completely. Completely. Yeah. That   that's that's how I was when I was single and,   just working and didn't have much   to do, you know. It was, Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty easy that way.   Yep.  

[00:10:39] Unknown:

Yeah.   But, yeah. No. It just,  

[00:10:44] Jamon Fries:

but yeah. So so, you know, middle class has always been kind of iffy for me. But,   mhmm. Yeah.   The thing that I think the thing that I really don't like the most though is   is that   and it happens from both sides, is the lies that they the I   I don't really wanna say lies   because they think that that's true, I think. I hope they at least think it's true. Ah, the politicians, they don't care. And the short the shortness.   Yeah. That's true.  

[00:11:16] Unknown:

But,  

[00:11:18] Jamon Fries:

no. I found a found a website here,   NBC News, their fact check for the for the, for the debate. Uh-huh. And there there was there's a few things that I find just absolutely hilarious about it.   So you remember in the debate when Trump called,   Kamala Harris' father a Marxist and that she was a Marxist as well? No. I didn't watch it, just so you know. I  

[00:11:42] Jesse Fries:

Oh, you didn't? Okay. I don't watch these political things. I I I read about them afterwards or I read the transcripts. I don't actually   watch them. I hate watching political theater. So  

[00:11:54] Jamon Fries:

Okay. Okay. But yeah. So Trump said that that she was a Marxist and that her her professor father was a market, was a Marxist.  

[00:12:01] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:12:02] Jamon Fries:

And in the fact check,   it says   that this is false.   And they they specifically say   because there's   3 students that disagreed with it.  

[00:12:23] Jesse Fries:

3 students.  

[00:12:27] Jamon Fries:

I I mean,   you know, I just   yeah. I mean, 3 of professor Donald Harris's former students who are now economists themselves told NBC News that they disagreed   that Harris's father is a Marxist,   and that just means it's absolutely false that he wasn't a Marxist.   Well, I mean, you know, they were his students. They they bought it. He studied Karl Marx's economic philosophy   and stuff like that.   Still, they're not gonna think that they're Marxist, but,   if they're taught by a Marxist,   there's a good potential that they have Marxist ideals.   Oh,   well, yeah. Admit to that.  



[00:13:08] Jesse Fries:

Or it could be that though there's a little bit of change here and everything like that. And so because of that, it's not quite Marxist. You know, it's like going down the chain of, just communism, if you like international communism. You have Marxism, and then you have Lenin Marxism, and then you have Lenin Stalin   Marxism, and then you   you also have, Trotsky Marxism,   and then you have,   a Mao   or Stalin Mao Marxism.   And so, you know, you have all this sorta,   yeah. Exactly. What what what exactly is   pure Marxism? You know? It's like   Yeah. Yeah. As with anything, you would have everybody hopefully would have moved on from exactly   pure Marxism, you know, because nothing can hold up, under extreme scrutiny. So Yeah.  



[00:14:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And another another fact check that I just   find hilarious.   So Trump, during the debate, said that,   in the withdrawal when the withdrawal from Afghanistan   Uh-huh. That we left 85,000,000,000   worth of brand new beautiful military equipment behind. Right. Right. And they say this is absolutely   false.  

[00:14:22] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[00:14:24] Jamon Fries:

The reason that it's false is according to a 2022   defense department report,   the Taliban seized much of the estimated 7,120,000,000   in US funded equipment that was in the hands of the former Afghan government when it collapsed.   Ah, so   what about this building that was at our well well, I mean, what was what about all of the equipment, the planes and stuff like that that we left behind on our air bases? That wasn't until in the former Afghan government hands.   So 7,120,000,000   was was in was being used by the Afghan government that was left behind. Mhmm.   But what about all the equipment that we left behind at our bases?  

I mean, I I remember seeing pictures of   just, you know, long rows of of jet fighters.   Now I don't know if they tampered with them in any way to make them unusable.   I hope they at least did that.   But I mean, that's,   you   know, one fighter jet almost costs $1,000,000,000,   doesn't it?  

[00:15:38] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, what it could be is that the this was Pentagon. So the Pentagon in their   bookkeeping, they could just said, okay, well,   we left it behind and we purposely   gave that to the Afghan government. And so it's all Afghan government.   You know what I mean?   I would not put it past our government to do something like that, especially the Pentagon, you know. It's like, yeah, we just gave it, we there was a guy over there. He was from the Afghan go government, At least, I think he was.   And, you know, we we gave him all this stuff. You know? It's, that way, they didn't lose it. You know?   I don't know. When when it comes to Afghanistan,   I I I don't know. Trump set up the whole government   the getting out of Afghanistan with the treaty that he signed. Biden was pissed. Yeah. Yeah.  

So I really   so I don't know what Trump would have done differently because this is how the military works. We always leave 1,000,000,000 of dollars everywhere we go. It just doesn't matter. It's, we did it in Vietnam. We did it everywhere. It's just how we roll. You know? It's Well, I mean, there  

[00:16:49] Jamon Fries:

there was there's difference between Vietnam, though. I mean,   Vietnam, we were being overrun by the Viet Cong. We we didn't have a chance to it wasn't it was absolutely not an orderly retreat.   And that's not really what happened with Afghanistan   at first.   I mean, with Afghanistan,   we had we you know, like you like you said, we had deals and we had treaties and stuff like that to to slowly pull out.   And the thing I  

[00:17:20] Jesse Fries:

from No. It wasn't a slow pull out. There there wasn't anything about slow pull out. All it was is we're out by this time. Now how that was enacted,   that's the question. But it was all, we're just gonna be out by this date.   Yeah. So because more than likely, if he hadn't done that, we'd still be in Afghanistan right now probably.  

[00:17:39] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yes. We absolutely would. I mean,   that yeah. Definitely.  

[00:17:43] Jesse Fries:

And maybe we wouldn't care about,   Russia invading Ukraine maybe because we were involved   Afghanistan. You know?   Yep. Yep.  

[00:17:54] Unknown:

But yeah. No. So I I don't know. I mean, it's just there's just so many   so many things that just,  

[00:18:03] Jamon Fries:

you know, like, Kamala Harris saying that there's no US military members are on active duty in a combat zone. Mhmm. Uh-huh.   NBC actually was kinda fair with this one. They they said, no. That's not true.   We don't have any officially formally declared wars.   Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We're definitely in combat zones.  

[00:18:23] Jesse Fries:

Yep. We're in Syria for god's sakes. You know, that Yeah. Yeah. We're we're we're we're many different.  

[00:18:30] Jamon Fries:

We still have we still have foot soldiers on on the ground in Iraq and Syria.   And, you know, there's  

[00:18:37] Jesse Fries:

all sorts of We probably have some with the IDF in Gaza right now, I'd bet. Probably some sort. Yeah. So  

[00:18:47] Unknown:

yeah. But,  

[00:18:48] Jamon Fries:

yeah. And then,   so yeah. There's there's just lots of interesting things that that have that were talked about. So  

[00:18:57] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   But yeah. So overall, you would say   Kamala probably she did she had the better performance necessarily,   but,  

[00:19:07] Jamon Fries:

she you didn't like She she had she talked she didn't   I wouldn't say she talked about her game, but she   she seemed to,   I don't wanna say be in more be more in control,   but she there she actually said a couple of things about what she wanted to do.   Right. Whereas I didn't hear any of that out of Trump. You know? They they tried to   they tried to ask him specifically what he was gonna do about certain things. And,   you know, I mean,   he he would just say, well, I'm not president right now. So I can't I don't really know what I would have to what I would end up doing, which completely makes sense because once you become president, you have you have access to a lot more information about everything.  

[00:19:55] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's his own damn fault, though, because he decided not to get the briefings.   He actually decided not to get the briefings   from,   CIA and everybody. So   Yep.   I okay. That's the first I've ever heard of that from, this,   from the debate.   I haven't seen or heard any of that in the media   from what I've heard about the debate. That that that's new to me and that's kinda janky, really,   Because you're in a debate   to say what you're gonna do when you're president. That's why you're in the debate. Not not not to him and hon.   Okay. Yeah.  



[00:20:36] Jamon Fries:

That's getting crazy. That's why I that's why I said that Harris pulled it out a little bit.   Now he was he was at that when he made that comment, he was referring to,   they asked him how he was going to get all of the illegal aliens that came that have come across the border, how he was gonna find them and get them and get them out of the US. Right. Right. They said, are you gonna go door to door? And, of course, he's not gonna answer that question. I mean Right. Right. You know.   And so he he just said something about, well, you know, I'm not president right now. So, you know,   well, that's something that I'll have to figure out later, basically.  



[00:21:16] Jesse Fries:

Why don't you just okay. Yeah. There's many different ways he could've said that, but,  

[00:21:21] Jamon Fries:

you know, you know. Yeah. Yeah. There Well, and and I mean and and that's something that I've that's something that I have   that I   have heard from him quite often is   he never really he says what he wants to do,   but he never   I've never once heard an explanation as to how he was gonna get it done.   Now   what it that could be, you know, as a businessman,   you don't tell you don't tell other businesses how you're going to achieve something because then they can start doing it themselves.   So I don't I don't know if it if that's just the mentality that he's brought from being in the business world   and just he doesn't  

[00:22:01] Jesse Fries:

because he's not a politician. I mean Or maybe he's sick and tired of Kamala Harris actually  

[00:22:07] Jamon Fries:

stealing all his ideas and taking them on for herself. Well, that that could be he he did bring that up a few times too about how how they're they they they found out that what they were doing wasn't working, so they went back to my ideas. Exactly.   With the with the gap price of gas and the the oil   oil production here in the US. So Kamala was saying that we have the highest   oil production that we've ever had.  

[00:22:31] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right.  

[00:22:32] Jamon Fries:

And,   you know,   that's all well and good.   But   on   their side of the government,   they also completely   emptied our fuel reserves.   Right. Right. When they when they first went into office, they completely they sold all of our all of the reserved oil that we had for the military and stuff like that to other countries.   Mhmm.   And that just   I mean,   until they build that back up to where it was in the past,   I don't actually consider any of the oil that they're drilling to be worth anything.  

[00:23:16] Jesse Fries:

I see. Interesting.   Interesting.  

[00:23:19] Jamon Fries:

Because that that oil that they sold was what we used to fuel our fighter jets. We have a lot of naval ships   that cannot leave port because they have no fuel. Mhmm. Yep.   And I mean   so until until you get back to the standard that we were at when you went into office,   I won't consider that you've done a decent job with it   because you fell way behind in the early on and you haven't even caught up yet. That makes sense. Makes sense. Is there really  

[00:23:50] Jesse Fries:

is does that pretty much cover the debate though overall?  

[00:23:54] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. That's pretty much everything I have to talk about with the debate.  

[00:23:58] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Okay. Cool. Let let let's go on to something a little bit more lighthearted.   So apparently,   there's a   the Eiffel Tower is in the news   And the Is it really?   Yeah. Yeah. So   apparently, the mayor of, Paris,   her name is Anne Hidalgo.   She wants to keep the Olympic rings on the Eiffel Tower for   indefinite period of time.   And so now this   has started to cause a kerfuffle.  

[00:24:31] Jamon Fries:

I can imagine.  

[00:24:34] Jesse Fries:

Even,   what is it? Gustaf Eiffel's family has got involved. He was the guy that did well built the freaking, Eiffel Tower.   And, yeah, his family is getting involved and saying no. No. No. No. No. No. Not Yeah. No. No.  

[00:24:51] Jamon Fries:

But yeah. That   Wow. That that, like, completely destroys the national   landmark if they do that. Well, it's just  

[00:25:00] Jesse Fries:

it it for the family, for the Eiffel family, it's all about the sight lines. You know? It's like, you're you're interrupting the sight lines that   our ancestor,   put up there, you know.   From the from the mayor's point of view, she's, like, going, well, it was it really brought the city together, so let's keep it up, you know. And a lot of people are just saying that it's pure political, So she's trying to Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. She's trying to get elected again.  

[00:25:28] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Having   having those 5 rings on the on the Eiffel Tower   is not going to keep bringing the people together. What brought the people together   was   everyone that came in because it was the Olympics there.   Mhmm. You know? The I mean, the police I'm sure that the police were ramped up to a maximum.   The you know?   It's all just   it it's all been it was all just built up, and it's not going to stay as a permanent thing.   No. You know exactly. Those rings on there. It's not you're not gonna maintain the peace just because you have these 5 rings up on the Eiffel Tower.  

[00:26:08] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. I find it funny. And the international lift committee is going, maybe we'll allow it. Maybe we'll allow it.   Because usually what you do with those rings is you just take them down. You you know, there there might be a, like, Olympic park that you,   keep the Olympic symbol on, but, like, for in the city, you just take it down. It happened in Tokyo. It happened in Beijing. You know, all these cities that It happens everywhere. Exactly. You just take them down.  

[00:26:37] Jamon Fries:

Exactly.  

[00:26:39] Jesse Fries:

So  

[00:26:40] Jamon Fries:

yeah. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be fun. There's a first for everything. Yep. Uh-huh.   What else do you have? That is funny, though. Well,   back onto a little bit more serious note.   The   something I saw recently in the news was there was another school shooting. I'm sure you've heard about that. Yep. Yep.   In Georgia, north of Atlanta, Georgia. Yep.   And   I I got to thinking and I got to studying a little bit about it.   Not that specific school shooting, but   there's one thing that I've always thought was a reoccurring topic that for every almost every school shooting that I have heard about  

[00:27:25] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. Was  

[00:27:26] Jamon Fries:

that   this person was   bullied on a massively large scale in in most in most cases of them. Right. Right. Ostracized.   That's what I'm All they ever talked about   well, no. I mean, even sometimes it goes as far as physical bullying with the one in,   with with the one out in Atlanta from from what   from my understanding. I saw a news article,   news   news report that said that,   about a that sometime in 2023,   they thought that there were there was somebody that had posted on Discord a,   a thing saying that they were gonna shoot up their school with pictures of guns and stuff like that. So they went and investigated it. Mhmm.   And   this kid that they went to investigate, who happened to be the one that did the shooting this time around,   he his he according to his his father,   he was   constantly   being physically bullied. He was getting pinched real hard. He'd be he was getting poked all the time. Uh-huh. And,   you know, and so they they keep talking about how we need to get rid of the guns so that this, these school shootings don't happen anymore.  

Yet according according to a 2019   report put out by the Secret Service   where they studied   all of the they studied a lot of the school shootings that happened   after Columbine.   Mhmm.   They ruled out they they did not include any in in their studies any school shooting that happened by a non student.   So they had they had to be a student or just recent a just recent former student of the school.   And they also ruled out any shootings that didn't have any injuries.   I guess there are some more kids just go and shoot up into the air or something. I'd Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:29:20] Jesse Fries:

I remember   just like like like a gun going off in the   parking lot at school, you know, because some hunter Oh, really? That's good. Yeah. Could could he he shot it through the bottom of his car.   You know? Yep. So yeah. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.  

[00:29:37] Jamon Fries:

But yeah. So what what the Secret Service report said was that 75%   of the people that they interviewed   that had that were the the people that did the shooting.   Mhmm. 75%   of them were bullied to an extreme   to an extreme point   before the shooting occurred.   So to me,   doesn't that mean that if you do something about the bullying   instead of taking away guns?   Mhmm.   Shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't you be a lot more concerned? Well, they have, but they haven't.  

[00:30:15] Jesse Fries:

Wait. Because you can't.   See, that's the thing. It's   this whole idea that you can stop bullying   is stupid.  

[00:30:24] Jamon Fries:

Well, no. I I know I know that you can't stop bullying. There will always be people that are bullies. That's well, no, no, no, no. It's it's it's it's not  

[00:30:33] Jesse Fries:

that there's always gonna be people that are bullies. What it is is   what is bullying? It is society trying to get everybody in line to make sure that people of course, there's just   assholes out there. But in general, bullying is that, especially when it's mass bullying. It's like, that's an odd person, and so because of that, you're gonna tease them, you're gonna do all these sorts of things. This is   human nature. This is how we work.   It's like, there's so many rules now in schools and, laws and states and everything like that, that stop bullying.   But it doesn't, all these kids still bully. It's just hidden. It's just in a different way,   and they can get away with it. Everybody still knows the pecking order. Everybody knows who's ostracized, who's not. There's I don't think there's anything that could really be done   about bullies. I really don't.  



[00:31:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I don't know. I just   I I personally think I mean, from my own experience in high school, and, yes, it was a it was a private high school, so there wasn't much of it, but there was some bullying.  

[00:31:37] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:31:39] Jamon Fries:

But   the bullying always   seemed to happen   in places where   there were no teachers, like the hallways.  

[00:31:49] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course.  

[00:31:52] Jamon Fries:

If if you put an adult presence in the hallways,   then, you know,   because I mean, you know, these shootings to as far as I can figure out, these a lot of these shootings and stuff like that happen because   the kid thinks that there's no way out.  

[00:32:08] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Because   they're kids and they're stupid. Yeah. Yeah. All kids are stupid. The the the I'm not saying that these specific kids are any more stupid, but it's just Right. Yeah. No. No. It's the end of the world if something happens at that age. So And the the other thing that I find very amusing  

[00:32:25] Jamon Fries:

is that they say they say that it's partially because of the bullying,   but then it's also because of,   mental issues.  

[00:32:33] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Right. And the drugs. Probably the drugs that they're on too.  

[00:32:37] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. If I remember correctly, though,   it doesn't bullying cause a lot of mental issues?  

[00:32:47] Jesse Fries:

It it can. For these kids, I mean Well, it's a mental strain, but it's like which came first, chicken or egg? You know? Did they have mental issues which caused the bullying, or did they did the bullying cause the, mental issues?   You you know? It's   which way did it go? You know? It's, Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:33:05] Jamon Fries:

You know? Because, I mean, I just   these are just the thoughts that I had when I saw when I saw that report, you know, thinking about the bullying and trying to maybe find a way to you know, laws will never work against bullying. It's just impossible for laws to work against that because well, I mean,  

[00:33:20] Unknown:

that because well, I mean,  

[00:33:21] Jamon Fries:

a lot of people look at it as kids will be kids. You know, they they see kids roughhousing,   don't pay attention to who's being rough housed with or anything like that. It's   just kids being kids.  

[00:33:36] Jesse Fries:

Well, you also can't always have an eye out. You know, you can't Yeah. I know.   You know, we would need a surveillance   state,   that's every that about 10 people are monitoring   one   camera so that they could see all the different aspects from that one camera view, let alone all the other ones just to try to catch everything.   And not not only that, but it's like, take, like, if you talk about, like, physical and everything like that, look at football. Okay.   How many things are hidden in football that are in plain sight that are recorded so many times, but, you know, there's gut punches, there's this, there's that, you know.   The the only thing that isn't is biting because   because because there's a face mask. Football.  

No. I'm I'm just saying, though.  

[00:34:24] Jamon Fries:

It's Yep. Yep. The  

[00:34:26] Jesse Fries:

NFL football is one of the most recorded things from so many points of view, and they still get away with things like this. So so   what I'm just saying is that   the it's impossible   to,   stop it all and anything that I I I understand trying to stop some of it, but   from what I can tell these kids, they already know who it is and everything like that. They know the people on the outside, the people on the inside. There's there's still the clicks. There's still everything. Nothing   it's just how   the adults   are treating it. But beyond that,   it's the same life that we grew up in in high school. You know, it's the same thing. You know, it's just   a lot of it is   how you respond to things. You know? I there   a few times in my life, people tried to bully me. It it it didn't work.  

And so they   they they tried like once each time and then it just didn't work.  

[00:35:22] Jamon Fries:

No one ever tried to bully me. I could never figure out why. Well, you were a very big kid. Just saying. You're you're quite tall. You know, fresh freshman in high school, I was 6 foot 4 and Oh, no. Yeah.   Yeah. With that in you know, I played football. I could bench press   £340.   You know? I mean,   that that may have played some part in no one wanting to mess with me, but you never know. Yeah. Something might have been brave.  

[00:35:50] Jesse Fries:

I remember this one time in high school that I I was   I'm, like,   510, 511.   I was, like, maybe, like, a buck 30 or something like that,   at the time. And there's   this smaller guy than me. He was even smaller than me, and he comes up to me in the hallway and tries to start something. And I I just literally just moved my hand and pushed him up against the lockers and kept walking. I didn't even stop.   I was just like,   what are you doing, dude? You you I didn't even I didn't even think anything. Oh, man. I thought it was hilarious. I'm like going, okay, dude.  

[00:36:25] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yes.   You know, ever since one experience in football, I have always been more leery of that small guy than anybody else. No. You have to be, especially if they can back it up. You know? It's like but Yeah. We we had this we had this one kid on our team. He was   maybe   maybe 5 foot 5 at the most. Mhmm. Small little I mean, scrawny little kid.   Didn't look like he had a lot of muscle on him. Right. Right. Yet I'm sitting here. I I weighed I I weighed in at that point in time about 3:30.   Mhmm.   And we had an exercise where we had to go up against each other and try to tackle tackle the opponent,   without well, while we both stayed within a a lane kind of to assist linemen to to be able to tackle a a running a running back. Uh-huh.  

This kid   picked me up   and carried me 15 yards down the field.  

[00:37:27] Jesse Fries:

Jesus Christ.  

[00:37:29] Jamon Fries:

A little 5 foot 5 shrimp,   which it doesn't look like he's got a muscle on his body   Uh-huh. Picked me up and carried me 15 freaking yards.  

[00:37:41] Jesse Fries:

That's pretty awesome. Since then, I've ever since then, I keep an eye out on those on those short people. No. No. So do I. So do I. It's just yeah. In in my case, he just wasn't one of those. He he had Hell, yeah.   He he got a big head from this is my point of view, at least. So he he was in the car with another kid, and they it was an accident and the other kid died.   Okay. From that point on,   he was protected   by   this other group Yeah. In the high school. He he was like, oh, you died with him and   everything like that.   So and he the guy the kid that died, he he was a really good guy. Everybody liked him.  

And so that was, like, transferred onto this kid. And so I think he got this big head that, he has these other people's backing,   but he didn't worry about if they were around when he did whatever. So it didn't make sense. That that that's my only that's my only thinking on why he would do such thing. I'm like,  

[00:38:41] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah. If if you have a strong support, you gotta make sure that they're there when you're actually doing something. Otherwise, it's gonna end up bad.  

[00:38:50] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly. It didn't end up bad because, well, I'm not a victim. I'm not a violent person. But yeah. It's You know, if if he had tried to do that to somebody that was a violent person Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. It could've ended up really bad.   It could've. It really could've. Yeah.   Yeah.   Obviously   oh, speaking of that shooting in Georgia, they arrested the dad.   Did you hear that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So  

[00:39:21] Jamon Fries:

2nd time now. 2nd time a parent is being charged for the crime that the that the child committed.  

[00:39:27] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. They they should also arrest the FBI because the FBI looked at the kid and said, oh, you're not a problem.  

[00:39:36] Jamon Fries:

I I don't think it was actually the FBI that did it. It was I know it was the local police that went and investigated him.   Well, right. I think the FBI turned it over to the locals, and they didn't the the FBI didn't really look into anything. What I find kind of interesting about that though is that one of the reasons that they say that they arrested him is because he had given   his kid a   a military style weapon Right. The AR 15 for his for for Christmas.  

[00:40:04] Unknown:

Right. Right.  

[00:40:07] Jamon Fries:

I remember at 14 years old, I already owned my own gun.   Dad had given me a gun a long time before that. Right. Right. And, you know, the they're saying it's because of the because he knew that his his son was being bullied and that his son had these mental issues, and that's why that's why it was a bad idea to give him the gun. And, you know, that there may be some truth to that.  

[00:40:30] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I I wonder if this one will get appealed if he actually gets convicted,   because then we could set, like, a precedent   on whether or not it's Yeah. Okay to do that or not. You know, it's like,   and and where do you stop it? You know? Do you, like,   giving your kid a car, you know, and they kill somebody and Yeah. You should've known better than this or that. Yeah. Driving and you gave him the keys, you know, to go out and do something. I Exactly. But but but even goes In this case, he shouldn't have given them a gun. What was that?  

[00:41:03] Jamon Fries:

I said it even it even goes beyond that. I mean, there there's   there were some there were some people that that have chimed in on the topic of of the parents   being charged   Mhmm. That's that say that you are responsible for everything that your child does,   which means that according to them,   if your child shoplifts,   you should be arrested for shoplifting as well. Yep. Yep. Yep. There'd be a lot of,  

[00:41:31] Jesse Fries:

people in jail. I mean  

[00:41:34] Jamon Fries:

yeah.   As as soon as they start making arrests   of parents of gang bangers that kill people   and stuff like that. You know, as soon as those parents start getting arrested,   then, you know  

[00:41:48] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. Right. Maybe Well well But Well, speaking of that,   actually, so, John C. Dvorak on no agenda,   his theory   is that all this of arresting these fathers and everything like that, it's actually all targeted towards the black community.   It's just that you have to do it with white people first so you can say, see, I I'm not doing it because I'm racist.  

[00:42:14] Jamon Fries:

That could be. That could be. Right? Right. Exactly. Exactly. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.   I like that one too. It's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and the kid definitely should not have been given a gun. Right.  

[00:42:28] Jesse Fries:

No. He should have. Based on based on  

[00:42:31] Jamon Fries:

I mean, as soon as soon as the police came to investigate him for those potential remarks,   that to me, that would have said, alright. This I'm not gonna give this kid access to a gun   just in case.  

[00:42:43] Jesse Fries:

Oh, exactly. Exactly.  

[00:42:45] Jamon Fries:

Especially especially since it, you know, did happen.   He he gave the gun he gave him the gun Christmas   this last year,   and he was being investigated   late last year as well.   So   this wasn't more than, like, 5 or 6 months after he had been investigated for for potentially posting something on Discord saying that he was gonna do that.   Yeah. And and you don't   I don't know.  

[00:43:09] Jesse Fries:

That that should have just been a big trigger. See, I A big ring flag. Correct. And and, you know, if you wanna give him a gun, that's fine.   But   Yeah. You need to keep it locked up completely.   Maybe keep it at a gun range and they have the key and they can't take it out, that sort of thing. You know? It's like Yes.   You have to completely   secure it no matter what, because you know your kid has some issues apparently. You know, it's Yes. It's like you can't know everything that's going on in your kid and everything like that, but general moods, you can tell,   everything like that. You know? So,   yeah. No. Yeah. That's where I think it should have gone.  

Yeah. If he wanted to give it  

[00:43:53] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. He he definitely should have locked the gun up at least in some manner. Yep.   The the one thing that I find interesting though is according to that news article where where they had gone to where the police had gone to interview him Mhmm.   You know, he he told them, yes. My child has some access to my guns, but, you know, they're he doesn't have easy access to them.   And he he's been taught how to use them and how to respect them and everything else like that. Mhmm.   And then he he said,   if you if you can show me that he was the one that that posted that,   I will get rid of every gun in this house   Mhmm. Just to make sure that something like that can't happen.  



[00:44:38] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:44:39] Jamon Fries:

And   the police very quickly just gave up on pursuing it.   They stopped investigating it for some reason.  

[00:44:48] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's stupid. It just   Yeah. I don't know. I do not trust anybody that goes, oh, I was hacked.  

[00:44:55] Jamon Fries:

I'm sorry. Yeah. No. That's just No. Yeah. Everybody's hacked. Well, see, actually, like The the thing is the the thing that I'm wondering about is they didn't actually,   trace it back to his computer. They just they just traced it to that town.   So they linked it to him. It had to have been something to him. I have to assume that it's,   maybe he had said maybe they were interviewing some kids and they had they said that this person was a little bit odd   or something. I mean, it that could be. I I have no idea how they linked it exactly to him, but all I know is that But from what  

[00:45:34] Jesse Fries:

did they didn't he say that I was hacked? What wasn't that part of the story is that he said he was hacked?   No. No. I didn't hear that anyway. I that's what I heard. I heard that he said he was hacked.  

[00:45:47] Jamon Fries:

Okay.   Yeah.   If if that's what he said, then I absolutely wouldn't believe that and think that he probably posted it. No. According to the news started to since the news report that I heard, he was he said that,   he hadn't been on Discord   for, like, 6 months or something like that.   He was mostly just doing TikTok and stuff like that, watching videos.  

[00:46:12] Jesse Fries:

So he's so he's saying that he was hacked. His Discord was hacked, and he didn't say that. That's basically what so so it probably aligns?  

[00:46:22] Jamon Fries:

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it could be that the news report that I watched just didn't include that aspect of it. Right. Or it could be that the or it could be that what you saw added that even though it wasn't actually said.  

[00:46:35] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Who knows? Who knows? But yeah. Yeah.   I don't know. It it seems   yeah.  

[00:46:43] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I mean, it it just   I I find it problematic   that the police just stopped investigating it.   You know? They they went and interviewed him once and then   just dropped the entire thing and didn't investigate the entire situation anymore. Oh, yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Well, that that doesn't seem like good police work. I mean, you you gotta at least look into things.  

[00:47:10] Jesse Fries:

Well, it's a it's a sub it's suburbia, so, you know, what can you do? You know? It's a   suburban cops. You know? And so  

[00:47:18] Jamon Fries:

Yep.   Yeah.   But yeah. I mean, I've I've I've I've never agreed with with,   arresting the parents for something that their children did. You know? Yeah. I I have absolutely no problem if you arrest him for providing the gun, if you arrest him for,   if you arrest him for being a bad parent and stuff like that, that all that all absolutely would fall into it. But to actually charge him with the actual murder of the people,   I think that there's a big issue there. That that's   to me, that seems very  

[00:47:54] Jesse Fries:

unlawful. No. Yeah. I completely understand. It's a new thing. They're trying it out,   and they're seeing if it's sticking.   That that's that's really what these cops are trying to do. They're trying to and prosecutors are trying to see if this is actually gonna stick. I don't think they even know if it'll work yet.  

[00:48:11] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:48:12] Jesse Fries:

But also the idea is to probably try to scare parents   going, you need to control your children more.   Yeah. So   maybe it'll work. I don't know.  

[00:48:23] Jamon Fries:

It's, I I don't I I think it's not about controlling the child. I think it's about controlling the controlling guns. Oh, right. Right. But but but  

[00:48:33] Jesse Fries:

it it is   this is a new   prong in trying to,   control guns   for kids. You you know, you can't just control Yeah.   Trying to stop guns, it's almost impossible now,  

[00:48:47] Jamon Fries:

especially with the Supreme Court we have right now. So Even if you even if you stop the guns, yeah, even if you stop the guns, there are other weapons out there, you know, in the in the Oh, yeah. Secret Service report I was talking about. They they said that while the majority of it was guns, there were a lot of them where it was knives.  

[00:49:04] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Look look look at the UK. They have so many stabs Yeah. And everything like that. It's crazy. Yeah.   Yep.   Let's see here.   Okay. I think we beat that one to death in that topic. Yeah. I think we'd be definitely beat that topic to death.   Okay.   Let's see here. Just as a interlude, I I have 2 here. I can one's just a quick funny interlude.   Apparently,   navy commander was relieved of duty after a viral photo,   went   bad.   Apparently, the scope on his, rifle is backwards.  

[00:49:46] Jamon Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. Wow. So I I mean, you know, I   I I I hope   that was being done as a joke. No. No. It wasn't. It wasn't.  

[00:49:58] Jesse Fries:

He was relieved of command.  

[00:50:01] Jamon Fries:

Yep.   Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah.   If you can't even put a scope on a on a rifle correctly, there's definitely some issues there.  

[00:50:12] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.  

[00:50:15] Jamon Fries:

That's hilarious.   Yeah. It's,   I I have one that's kinda like that.   Kind of just a little funny thing. Mhmm. You heard about the Twilers Taylor Swift and,   and Mahomes' wife thing?  

[00:50:31] Jesse Fries:

No.  

[00:50:34] Jamon Fries:

So   I guess,   Patrick Mahomes' wife posted,   she liked some comments from Trump. Uh-huh.   And all of a sudden, there were so many people   just on on that were Taylor Swift fans   that were telling Taylor Swift that she can't go to the get to the to the last game. She can't she can't hang out with her anymore   all because she liked a few Trump posts.  

[00:51:03] Jesse Fries:

Oh, that's funny.  

[00:51:05] Jamon Fries:

I'm like,   how have we gotten into a situation   where you're not even allowed to talk to someone   that has a differing opinion of you?  

[00:51:18] Jesse Fries:

Because then you might learn something. You know? I I I Yeah.  

[00:51:23] Jamon Fries:

It's the only thing I can do to I have learned many things from   friends in the past. Exactly.  

[00:51:28] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. They've learned some things from me as well. But And a lot of times you can come to a common ground. You know? It's like Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:51:37] Jamon Fries:

I I really liked Taylor Swift's   reaction to that, though. What was that? And her re her reaction was, I don't care what someone politics someone's politics are. If I like them, they're a friend.   Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like who they are as a person, I'm gonna hang out with them. I don't care what their politics are. Exactly.  

[00:51:57] Jesse Fries:

That's how I am too. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care about the politics. Same same here. Yeah.   Now if they're too political, like like like, that's all they are, that's annoying. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, if they can actually talk about other things, I'm good with it. I'm good with it. Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:52:14] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely.   Yeah. She's supposedly I mean, if everybody does what they posted,   she has lost a lot of fans now.   Who cares? I highly doubt anybody actually stopped being her fan because of that. But, you know.  

[00:52:32] Jesse Fries:

You you never know, but more than likely not. It's,  

[00:52:35] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:52:36] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.   So I I I thought I should, quickly mention this whole thing.   You heard about that historian or supposed historian, Daryl Cooper, that went on Tucker   show and basically said that,   he said that, Winston Churchill was the villain of World War 2?  

[00:53:00] Jamon Fries:

No. I didn't hear about that.  

[00:53:01] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. He he he goes on there, and he basically just,   says it's all Churchill's fault.   If,   Churchill hadn't attacked   Germany,   after they invaded Poland, the war would have been much better for everybody, and not as many people would have died.   He   blames,   all the   mass death that German created through, all their through the Holocaust and everything like that, and all the other people they killed beyond the Holocaust. He said that's because they just didn't know what to do with the people.  

[00:53:39] Jamon Fries:

So Oh, God.  

[00:53:40] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he, like, goes on because they were diabolically evil.   Well, it's like, he is right. They didn't know what to do with the people, but they decided to kill him in the end.   Yeah.  

[00:53:53] Jamon Fries:

There were lots of things he could've do. You didn't have to kill him. You didn't have to put him in the gas house.  

[00:53:58] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   Exactly.   You you know, and he he he says that,   Winston Churchill was evil because he he he really tried to propagandize   America. He spent so many 1,000,000 of pounds propagandizing   America and everything like that. I'm going, yeah, he was fighting for his survival.  

[00:54:18] Jamon Fries:

You know, this is what we do. You   you you His country was under attack, you know, that that's kinda what you have to do. Exactly.  

[00:54:26] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. And he goes, well,   Hitler wouldn't have attacked,   the UK because, Hitler's   wanted a peace deal with him and sent a treaty. And and I'm going,   yeah, that would have been as good as the treaty he wrote with the Soviet Union. You know? It's like Yeah.  

[00:54:44] Jamon Fries:

It's yeah. It's like If I remember correctly, it wasn't the Soviet Union that turned on Germany first.  

[00:54:50] Jesse Fries:

No.   Yeah. Exactly. It's like the the whole sequence is that, you know, there is a Neville Chamberlain,   and after he   took care of, Austria   and took parts of Czechoslovakia,   the German parts, you know, Neverland Chamberlain comes back and goes, Hitler said this is gonna be the end of it. And then he invades   Poland.  

[00:55:11] Jamon Fries:

You know? It's yeah.  

[00:55:14] Jesse Fries:

And   and, the UK had a,   defense treaty with Poland.   And so basically that automatically pulls the UK into it and pulls everybody else into it.  

[00:55:27] Jamon Fries:

And so the it just If if if we if we follow his reasoning then,   because, I mean, this this all goes the when you're dealing with stuff like this in the history, you you want it to be brought brought further into the end of the re into the current usually.   Mhmm. So this would mean that if if if we if we keep   supporting   Ukraine,   that means that we are responsible for all the people that die. All the soldiers that die, all the civilians that die because we're supporting Ukraine in in in stopping Russia from taking it over.  

[00:56:05] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep.  

[00:56:08] Jamon Fries:

Which   really would lead to a really bad thing   if you if you're if you get blamed for something because you went to the defense of somebody that's being attacked.  

[00:56:20] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. I mean Exactly.   You know, the Well, I it is I I   see, to me, the that   the the question with that sort of thing is, like, are we just making the war go longer than it needs to? Yes.   We we know what the result is going to be   anyways. Are we just prolonging   the despair and the death?   I think that'd be a valid question to ask in that case. Yes. But when it comes to like this sort of thing, it's like, okay,   you you can look at the history and you can   you can see   why Hitler came to power. You can see what made Hitler. You you can see all these things.   You you you can see that the Versailles Treaty of World War 1 really caused Germany to have horrible economy inflation, like nobody's business. They were taking wheelbarrows full of money to buy   groceries,   everything like this.  

So you could take all that and you can see   why the German people   turn towards, like, a Hitler or that sort of thing.   Oh, absolutely. Oh, Hitler was an evil son of a bitch. I'm sorry. He was He was. Yeah. The this   the   you can be a contrarian, but this is this isn't contrarian. This is, you like Hitler. Oh, no. I'm sorry. It's  

[00:57:40] Jamon Fries:

just Yeah. That's how I deal with it. This is a this is a fanboy trying to find excuses.  

[00:57:45] Jesse Fries:

Something.   Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy to me. It is crazy to me. Yeah. Yeah.   Wow.   Yeah. I I listened to that podcast. I I'd seen the articles in the news. I'm going, well, maybe. But then I listened to it. You know what's funny is that   what's funny is that he he he seems like a very intelligent guy.   And some of his other things that he has done, I   it seems okay, and he seems to know what he's talking about. It's just I think he's, like, focused   a lot of times historians   or just people in general,   they have this thesis, and   they do everything to back up that thesis no matter what, even as they're digging their own grave, they go, this is it. This is it. And I've seen historians do this all the time and everything like this. You're just like going,   dude, no, no, that's not it. But they keep digging and digging and they just will not take any outside thing. That could be what's going on here, but it seems very fishy to me. It's a bit Oh, yeah.  

Yeah. Very, very fishy. Yeah.  

[00:58:52] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. That that seems a little bit weird.  

[00:58:56] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Exactly.  

[00:58:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So have have you heard,   about what Facebook has done now with their,   well, not technically Facebook. It's Meta, which controls all of the all of their different platforms.   Have you heard what they've declared as to not be hate speech?  

[00:59:14] Jesse Fries:

What?  

[00:59:16] Jamon Fries:

From the river to the sea   is not hate speech anymore according to them.  

[00:59:23] Jesse Fries:

Oh,   okay. So we get some antisemites  

[00:59:26] Jamon Fries:

up in there. Got it. Got it. Yeah.   Yeah. They they claim that it's not   a hate it's not hate   speech because it's being used by people that are pro Palestinian   and just want Palestine to the Palestinians to have their own land.   Sure.   I'm sorry. But as long as long as the the militant group is still using that slogan   as an excuse and as a as a way to get people to support them in attacking a country,   that's kinda hate speech. Yeah.   Yeah. It doesn't matter how a few people here in the US use it.  

[01:00:09] Jesse Fries:

No. Exactly.   Exactly. Yeah. No. They they they wanna wipe out the Jews just like everybody else in the world, basically. So it's just, yeah. Yeah. It it's   wow. That that that that's special right there. Yeah. That is special. Yeah. I I thought so too when I read that article.   Let's   see. Oh, it looks like anything else good?   It looks like, the   European   Union,   they won   or $13,000,000,000   tax bill from Apple.   Oh, really? Wow. Yeah. Well, what it was is that Apple had set up,   Ireland,   system where basically Ireland gave them   little taxes.  

But since Ireland is in the EU, it was their gateway to   the EU. Into the EU. Yeah. Right. Right. And so because of this, Apple saved $13,000,000,000   or €13,   €13,000,000,000.  

[01:01:16] Jamon Fries:

And, they even like I was gonna say 13,000,000,000   or €13?   Goddamn. What how high is the euro now? Right. Exactly. Yeah. €13,000,000,000.  

[01:01:26] Jesse Fries:

And and basically, what's funny is that the Ireland, they didn't they were on Apple's side in this whole case. Ireland's going, what's wrong with what we did? And Apple's, like, going,   we were told to pay this tax. This was the system that was set up, and the high court of   EU says, no, you have to pay it. You you were cheating. You were cheating. And so yeah.  

[01:01:49] Jamon Fries:

Wow. Yeah. That that's that's a whole new level of special.  

[01:01:53] Jesse Fries:

Right? Exactly.   Exactly.   And then another Apple EU sort of thing.   So   they're they're coming out with a new phone. Right?   Apple is? And the new operating system. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. New operating system that uses artificial intelligence.   Yep. Right? Well, apparently,   Europe is not getting the artificial   intelligence right off the bat   because of all their regulations about privacy and everything like this. So Yeah. Yeah. So Apple's turning that off for them, which is pissing off their commission.   But it's like, what do you want them to do? You you you don't want this, but you want but you don't want 2 tier? It's like,   so Apple might get in trouble again for having 2 tiers.  

I think EU   I think the EU just wants  

[01:02:43] Jamon Fries:

their law to be worldwide. Like, it seems like that's what they really want. I mean, you know, it's That that is that is their entire goal. I mean, they they want they want more of a one world government.  

[01:02:54] Jesse Fries:

Well, right. Right. Yeah. They're they're doing it in Europe, and it's really screwing things up over there.  

[01:03:00] Jamon Fries:

Oh, massively.   Massively.   Those tech Yeah. I I heard that, they've also   they also don't have the AI on the on the first rollout of the phones in China as well.  

[01:03:12] Jesse Fries:

Right. Right. Right. I I I'm not sure why that is.  

[01:03:17] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I I don't know either. It's funny some of the things that that people are posting. They're like, AI was intent was the entire reason that we wanted this phone. So if you're not gonna let us have AI, you should only charge us half half price for the phone.  

[01:03:32] Jesse Fries:

AI is the soft.  

[01:03:34] Jamon Fries:

Fault that logic. I can't fault that logic, you know? I mean  

[01:03:38] Jesse Fries:

But go talk to your government   saying Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait. Yeah? You can't. In the EU, you   it it's like the United States of, like,   long, long time ago, you know? It's like they have no say, you know? The the Yeah. The executive   is not chosen by the people. They're like, nothing over there except for their, parliament that really doesn't have that much power. So, you know, it's it's crazy. Yep.  

[01:04:07] Jamon Fries:

Well, I mean, you know, that's that's what the even if you have free elections in each country, it's not each country that determines what happens in the EU. It's the EU board. So each country, what, appoint someone to Exactly.   To the board or something like that. Exactly. I mean,   yeah. Do you say you go and talk to your country's leaders,   and they can't do shit.   Yep. Yep. Exactly. Absolutely nothing that anyone can do.  

[01:04:34] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. This is why the UK broke off. It is why the UK broke off.   That's the   Yeah.   Hopefully, more do it.  

[01:04:45] Jamon Fries:

That would be good. It would be night it would be good. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. So so the last thing I have to talk about here is regarding   it's in, CNN's Climate News.  

[01:04:57] Jesse Fries:

Uh-huh.  

[01:04:59] Jamon Fries:

There's I guess there's this guy,   who is who is hurt who is hired by Egypt   to go and dredge out a lake on the Sinai Peninsula.  

[01:05:09] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:05:11] Jamon Fries:

This lake, it's not really,   it's not what I would consider a lake, but the the idea is technically considered a lake because there's a   continuous sandbar that goes that separates it from the Mediterranean Ocean.  

[01:05:25] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:05:26] Jamon Fries:

So it's very saltwater. It's saltwater that but they've   it's got started to get a little bit warm, so fish can't survive in it as well.   And   it's also that's because sediment has has seeped down into it, and it's gone from being very deep to being only, like, 10 foot deep.   Mhmm.   And so anytime you have a body of water, it   in anywhere around a desert that's only 10 foot deep, the sun beating down on it. The the water's gonna get pretty warm.  

[01:05:56] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[01:05:56] Jamon Fries:

And so so what they hired him to do is to go in and dredge out all of the the soil and stuff that has accumulated down in that lake to to make it deeper again. So, hopefully, the fish will be able to return and, you know, he's also   making some areas where the Mediterranean   can can wash into there to provide fresh seawater and stuff like that. Yeah.   I don't know if that I I don't know if that makes it no longer a lake because it's now you know, they're breaking the sandbar, but, you know, who knows?   But what I found very, very interesting was he is he has a plan to   make the Sinai Peninsula green again.  

Interesting. And he's going he's going to do this by taking all of that land that he dredged that he dredges up from there   Mhmm. And spreading it throughout the Sinai spreading it across the desert in the Sinai Peninsula.  

[01:06:49] Jesse Fries:

Okay.  

[01:06:52] Jamon Fries:

There's just a few little problems that I can see with that. Not much rain. Number 1.   Well yeah.   He   he thinks   he thinks that if if you put plant trees and stuff like there, there'll be more,   there'll be more evaporation,   which means that   there there'll be more rain is what he is what he says will happen. So he thinks it's a field of dreams situation.  

[01:07:17] Jesse Fries:

If you build it. Exactly. They will come. Exactly. Exactly.  

[01:07:22] Jamon Fries:

But another problem   is that all of this soil   is extremely salty.  

[01:07:31] Jesse Fries:

Good point. Because it's a salt lake. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:07:37] Jamon Fries:

So   you're gonna spread salt.   You're going to salt the desert   and hope that shit grows there.   If I remember correctly, salt is, like, one of the things that kills the plants in an area.  

[01:07:53] Jesse Fries:

Last time I checked yeah. Last time I checked.  

[01:07:56] Jamon Fries:

I mean, yes. There are some plants that they can they can thrive in a somewhat salty environment.  

[01:08:02] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[01:08:04] Jamon Fries:

But, I mean, come on. You gotta be realistic here.  

[01:08:10] Jesse Fries:

That's hilarious.   People are crazy. People are crazy.  

[01:08:16] Jamon Fries:

They they ex they expect   and they they're quoting   one province in China that's done something somewhat similar.   Uh-huh.   There was a province in China that you could you they showed they have pictures before and after, and   you can see that it's, you know, the before picture is,   it's basically a wasteland. There's no you don't really see much vegetation at all anywhere in it. Okay.   And but and then 30 years later now, there's some greenery there. Now I can't really compare apples and oranges with these pictures because they're they're taken from 2 completely different vantage vantage points, but also I don't think they're of the exact same area.   Uh-huh. I think one one picture is further down the Yellow River than the other one is. Okay. So you so you can't really compare apples to orange it's apples to oranges. You can't compare it very well.  

But   the thing I find hilarious is that basically every   every   person that knows about   the environment and water usage and stuff like that   says that that area is now at the point where it cannot grow any greener.   Okay. And it's not that green.   And the reason being is that there's just not enough water to support   more group more plant life there. Oh, okay.   Which completely makes sense. I mean, your your how much plant life you have in an area is completely dependent on   how much water they have.  

[01:09:52] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[01:09:55] Jamon Fries:

In the Sinai Peninsula, if I'm not mistaken, they don't get much water there.  

[01:10:01] Jesse Fries:

Like rain?   Yeah.   Let's see.   Rain   for   Let's see.   I'm checking.  

[01:10:26] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.  

[01:10:27] Jesse Fries:

Let's see here.   Down at 2 zones, yada yada.  

[01:10:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. This guy, he says he says that they obviously had gotten a lot of rain in the past, that that that used to be in lush   green green area.   Well, right. And he said and he says that the reason that he says this is because even from a picture from far away,   you can see what would have been rivers. You know, you you can see the river tracks, but   that doesn't mean I mean, climate's changed. That could have happened during the ice age. You never know. Exactly. Exactly.   But now his his goal in this is to turn the Sinai Peninsula green to to turn deserts green   so that they use up more carbon dioxide in the air,   which means that global warming will will be decreased.  

Now there is something I found find very interesting about that though, and they they they say this in this article. So they they're they've approached the article from both sides.   Okay.   What they say   is that   an area of desert   actually cools the planet.   I don't know how to say. Because this the solar rays, they a desert will bounce the solar rays back out into this into space. Right. Right. Right. Whereas a lush green forest holds it and traps it. That's interesting. That's interesting.   So so much like a hurricane is the way that the ocean cools off. Right. According to what these guys are saying, deserts is how the planet cools off.   Is it So as the planet gets hotter, it more more things become desert,   which means that there's that the planet cools off again.  

I mean,   you know, that just kinda  

[01:12:22] Jesse Fries:

yeah.  

[01:12:24] Jamon Fries:

Sounds weird. Everything on this planet is cynical. It's it's cyclical. I mean, it it sounds weird, but yeah. I mean, it's a little bit of a thing. Desert, though. Could be well Yeah.  

[01:12:34] Jesse Fries:

Nope. Yep. So Yeah. I looked, and it looks like it's like   they don't get much rain. It's like   January, they get, like, half an inch of rain.   February,   a third of an inch, and then a quarter,   then a 10th, then a 10th, and then nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.  

[01:12:55] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And then a 10th. So so And then a 3rd. And then a 3rd. Yeah.   Their best month is the same as one day here.  

[01:13:04] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.  

[01:13:05] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. It's like You know, I mean, that that   that tells me that no matter how much greenery you plant there, it ain't gonna survive unless you irrigate the heck out of it. Yeah. No. A wet year would be, like, 5 inches of rain. You know? It's like Yeah.   That'd be a really wet year. So, yeah, no. And the other the other problem that I have with that is, so you're gonna put all these plants out there that are gonna use up all this extra all this water. Uh-huh. What about the people that are currently living there that need that water to survive? Are they just gonna move up the Sinai Peninsula?  

[01:13:38] Jesse Fries:

I have no clue how many people lived in Sinai.  

[01:13:42] Jamon Fries:

I have no I have no idea either.   I know that there's there's at least some people there, though. It's not a it's not like it's a place that doesn't have anything. That's about 600,000,  

[01:13:55] Jesse Fries:

maybe a little bit more than it was, 2013.   It was 6 597,000   people. So Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:14:04] Jamon Fries:

Yes. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna use up the water that they use to survive   to turn the plant to turn that small area green.  

[01:14:15] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. That just seems a little problematic to me. He's a crazy guy. What can you do? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of crazy guys, we are a value for value,   podcast here. So what you need to do is you need to, help us, make this,   podcast.   Send us whatever you think,   this has been worth to you. So if you think this was worth, like a dollar for your time, send us a dollar. If you think it was worth a $100, send us a $100. Whatever you think, just please send us, what you can do to help us, out here.   And, if you do send us some money,   if you   are the top   person to donate, we will give you executive producer   for the show. It will be there for forever. As long as information is around, you will always be executive producer of the show.  



[01:15:08] Jamon Fries:

Hopefully, that's not as an issue. Hopefully, you don't mind being our our executive producer.  

[01:15:13] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's why they give us money, Jamen, is because they don't mind. So, yes, please donate or if you wanna give us topic ideas, send us what you got. If you wanna help out maybe with artwork or something like that, also,   send it that on into us.   You can reach me by yeah. You can reach me by email at jessie.orjessie@mindlessc.com.   And, we're still working on Jaima's email. Apparently, he doesn't wanna give his other one because there's too much junk mail there. Right? So  

[01:15:46] Jamon Fries:

I open up my email every other day. I see an extra 100 emails.  

[01:15:51] Jesse Fries:

That sounds about right. I mean,  

[01:15:53] Jamon Fries:

I I I wouldn't be able to see anything sent by anyone anyways.   Okay. Okay. It it would just be too much of a mess trying to find anything.  

[01:16:03] Jesse Fries:

No. Completely understand. Completely understand.   Well, everybody, that was it. Thank you for listening to the mindless meandering   podcast. I am your host or cohost, Jesse Friese.  

[01:16:16] Jamon Fries:

And I'm the other cohost, Jamin Friese.  

[01:16:19] Jesse Fries:

And you have a guys have a great day. Yeah. Have a great rest of your day.