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- Jesse Fries

- Jamon Fries

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(00:00:19) Introduction and Anniversary Countdown

(00:00:37) The QWERTY vs. Dvorak Keyboard Debate

(00:09:19) International Politics: Trump, Putin, and Ukraine

(00:24:25) US Politics: Protests and Policies

(00:52:33) Business and Technology Updates

(01:02:04) AI and Its Implications

[00:00:19] Jesse Fries:

Good afternoon, everybody.   It is August 18, and we are live with episode number 54 of the Mindless Mirrorings. I'm Jesse Fries, and we are ten days away from our anniversary, Jamin. Ten days away.  

[00:00:33] Jamon Fries:

Oh, that is awesome.  

[00:00:34] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:00:37] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And I'm Jamin Fries. And,   you know, I I just recently started wondering,   why is it that we still train our children on the QWERTY keyboard format?  

[00:00:54] Jesse Fries:

That's a good question. I don't know. It's,   this is what we use.  

[00:00:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I know. But there there's a much better one out there that   ends up with a lot less hand fatigue.  

[00:01:09] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Can you use it? Do you use it?  

[00:01:12] Jamon Fries:

No. I do not because I learned QWERTY.   However, which well, I mean, I I understand that argument. However,   as long as we're as long as children,   you know, when they start using computers are learning QWERTY,   they're not going to be able to switch over to the better one. No. I, I  

[00:01:31] Jesse Fries:

I don't think they even learn QWERTY, Jamin. I swear to god. They don't learn typing. Well, you you no. You you learn it by  

[00:01:38] Jamon Fries:

you you learn it by having that on every computer that you look at.  

[00:01:43] Jesse Fries:

No. Not just typing.   Dude, these kids can't type to save their life.  

[00:01:48] Jamon Fries:

It's a hunt and peck situation.   That's that's what I do now too. I've just gotten really good at memorized where most of the letters are, and I can do it pretty quickly. But I still them. So I I don't I don't call it hunt and peck anymore because I don't have to look at the keyboard anymore. It's just pecking now because I'm only using, like, two fingers for all of my typing. Dude, you've had computers for forever and a day. How can you not have   okay. I just never never   cared about learning home row.   I will send you a Mickey Mouse how to learn keyboard. Just Oh, no. No. I've I've I've done some of those before.  

I I have done some of those before, but,   to me, it just I mean, well, first of all, with my size, my hand doesn't my hand coming together on the keyboard doesn't   doesn't set like someone much thinner would   because my my elbows are splayed out very wide because of how big I am.   So it's   which is why I still I'm more comfortable doing the hunt and peck because,   you know, I I have to, like, really twist my wrists to hold my fingers on the home row. So why don't you get one of those ones where it breaks the keyboard in half?   Well, because I'm you the ergonomic ones. I've thought about that, but the reason I don't do that is because, well, I'm used to my hunt and peck method.  



[00:03:10] Jesse Fries:

Well, I'll tell you what, you have no good excuses.  

[00:03:13] Jamon Fries:

I know. I I never said it was a good excuse.   But,   yeah. No. That I just had that thought, you know, because   I I I looked it up and it's kinda cool.   So   under QWERTY,   they they broke down the percentages   of in a   standard day of typing. The, you know, they have those,   they have those maps where they can, like, heat maps almost of the of the button press, how many times you press the button throughout the day. Right.   They calculated it out. Under QWERTY,   your fingers are hitting buttons on the top row 53%   of the time.  

[00:03:55] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:03:56] Jamon Fries:

The bottom row is 16%   of the time, and the middle the home row is is the rest. Right. So approximately, like, 30 some percent of the time. Mhmm.   Under Dvorak,   which is the old method that was used before QWERTY Yeah. I know Dvorak. Yeah.   You use the top row 22%   of the time, the bottom row 8% of the time,   and home row 70% of the time. Mhmm.   Yep. Which is which is why there's a lot less hand fatigue in it because your fingers are mostly staying right where it's at.  

[00:04:33] Jesse Fries:

I I understand. I I just find it funny. I just   it's just   if you wanna use the Dvorak, you can go ahead and use the Dvorak. You know, that that's,  

[00:04:45] Jamon Fries:

enough   of that. I I I completely understand. And, you know, I know that. But I I just, you know, for the life of me, I can't figure out I can't understand why   why we don't   promote   a much better keyboard for keyboarding format.   Because the purpose for QWERTY is no longer there. I I  

[00:05:07] Jesse Fries:

so so so not only do you want   boomers   and our generation, especially the older ones, You you you not only want them to complain about the lack of cursive amongst these damn young kids now. But now you want them to complain about a keyboard that where these kids don't know the real keyboard, and I have all these gen xers go on TikTok and say, oh, Courtney is a real one. I'm sorry. No. I don't want that. I do not want that. I  

[00:05:36] Jamon Fries:

I could just imagine Well, no. I I'm not I'm not saying that it should be, like, a big national movement to have it done.   I just   I I just personally think that   I mean, you know, until until   our little brother told me about it, I had never even heard of Dvorak before. Right. Right.   And so   if if people knew that there was a much better keyboard format out there that was easier on the wrist, I I think possibly might result   in lesser less cases of tendonitis in the wrist.  

[00:06:10] Jesse Fries:

Possibly so. Is that even still a thing?  

[00:06:13] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Long term data data entry people still do experience that.  

[00:06:17] Jesse Fries:

Who knew? Who knew?   I   haven't heard, like, one news story about it. It was, like, all the rage stuff. In the news, but it it used to be huge.   Yeah. And I'm like, no big news. Apparently, it's just a normal thing now. It's just part of life. Yep. Exactly. Yeah.  

[00:06:33] Jamon Fries:

It became normalized, and so nobody needed to talk about it anymore. But Makes sense. Makes but, I mean, I I think personally   on a parental level,   you know, it's not hard to introduce DVARAC to   very young children.   And   if they start using it, they're gonna learn it, and it may become, you know, they   the the typing speed is massively increased. So, you know, you'll have a higher word per minute for jobs.   If you're doing data entry or something like that, you'll be more likely to get a job if you do if you can utilize the VORAC versus QWERTY just because of the the keyboard format.  

[00:07:15] Jesse Fries:

So one of the major problems though is  

[00:07:18] Jamon Fries:

buying something that has a Dvorak keyboard, David. That's like like about that. No. No. It you can you can change any keyboard into a Dvorak keyboard.  

[00:07:30] Jesse Fries:

I mean by the print that's on the   key, dude.  

[00:07:35] Jamon Fries:

Well, no. You just you just take the keys off and put them in new places.  

[00:07:42] Jesse Fries:

I I can't take the keys off of my laptop, dude. Most laptops don't allow that. Well, yeah.   They really don't.  

[00:07:50] Jamon Fries:

Depen depending on what kind of use keys they utilize.   Like, my my laptop, I can take the keys off and move them around.   Okay.   Okay. But for, like, desktop keyboards, they those are completely interchangeable. And, yeah. Oh, yeah. The prob the the problem with the Dvorak is, you know, it wouldn't be something that would be feasible until   the schools that provide laptops for children and stuff like that   gave them with Dvorak keyboard formats instead of QWERTY.   Right. Right. So, I mean, there there are a lot of limitations to it. There are a lot of problems with it, but, you know, it just   I I don't know. I I I think we should go back to Dvorak.  



[00:08:33] Jesse Fries:

Wonder how you would do it because I I'm looking at my phone now.   Yeah. You know, and it's just   they have Azurede and Quartz.   Oh, they do have Dvorak. Let me see what that is. Yep.   Let me see what that is.  

[00:08:50] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And changing your computer to recognizing Devorec is very easy. You just go into Windows settings and you can do it. Right. Right. I don't know. You know, I own I only know Microsoft. I don't know I don't know Apple. I don't know,   Linux. So I don't know how interchangeable it is with those.  

[00:09:09] Jesse Fries:

No. I understand. I understand.   I wonder anyways,   you got me   off on a tangent now. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:09:21] Jamon Fries:

The the the the thought popped into my head, and I couldn't get it out of my head for, like, a day and a half. So I just looked up the differences between Dvorak and Qwerty and stuff like that. Those were, like, a day and a half.   It was it was very nice.  

[00:09:34] Jesse Fries:

That works. Yeah. That works.   Okay.   Let's, I guess, talk about what's in the news, the Trump, Putin,   BS and the upcoming Yes.   One with the Zelensky and the other EU members.   Yep.   So it seems like they're   during the whole time and everything like that, I saw people on Facebook who go, oh, the it was a shit show. It was this or it was that. And it was like, okay. I and then all the news came out. It doesn't really seem   that bad or anything like that.   Looks like it was just talk.  

[00:10:14] Jamon Fries:

So It it's not like they brokered a deal. They just Yeah.   Putin gave told Trump what he needed to end the war.   Yeah. I think that's exactly what happened. And, Which is kind of what you need in in in negotiations.   You need to know both sides' desires.  

[00:10:33] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. And Trump here is playing the middleman. He's playing, okay. Well, this is and it's like so Putin told him, I'm willing   with this sort of situation.   And then   now he has to go tell Zelensky and the Europeans,   and the Zelensky. But he let's get rid of the Europeans. I swear to God. Oh, me too, boss. Me too. I want in. I want in. You know? It's that's all it seems to me. They're  

[00:10:58] Jamon Fries:

not   in the war. They're not fighting in the war. They don't have anything to do with the peace agreement or anything else like that.   Yep. Why are they part of the negotiation table?  

[00:11:13] Jesse Fries:

Because they're Eurocentric and they believe the world revolves around Europe.  

[00:11:17] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   Well, I honest honestly, I I think it's that they're so afraid of Russia   that they don't wanna let Ukraine   broker a deal unless its benefit unless it keeps Russia from doing whatever they think Russia's gonna do. Well, yeah, which  

[00:11:35] Jesse Fries:

I I really don't understand their   their fear. I I you you know, they they Yeah. All they say is, oh, we know he wants he he wants to be like Hitler and just expand. And and you're going, where's your proof, dude? I I haven't seen any proof. Yeah. You you you know, Hitler had,   what is it? The the   he needs space, whatever. I can't remember what the term they use, the Nazis did for that. Wait. They need space, breathing room, and everything like that. He Yeah.   Putin has never said anything like that.   So I really don't   see he doesn't like NATO right on his ass. I okay. So In fact in fact, Pudo Putin  

[00:12:14] Jamon Fries:

Pudo.   Sorry.   Putin   wants   you said NATO, and I was try it just combines the two.   Putin is from what I understand, he's trying to ensure that there's a buffer between   Russia and NATO.  

[00:12:33] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. He he's trying to go back to the agreement that Baker said, wasn't all in on paper or anything like that. But Right. The I I think that he's just going, yeah, enough is enough. And they and they're trying to push it to where,   especially   Crimea,   which has their naval base,   was gonna fall in the hands of NATO. And there's no way Russia could allow that to happen. Oh, hell no. So,   you know, just from a strategic point of view, it just wasn't it was a nonstarter.   Yeah. So I I I especially   agree with, like, Crimea and everything like that.   So   yeah. It was,  

[00:13:13] Jamon Fries:

There's a lot in it.  

[00:13:16] Jesse Fries:

There is. There is.   Because I decide what was it?   Trump told   or is telling Ukraine to give up Crimea   and NATO hopes, basically,   because those were the two major things   of,   Putin. I think more than likely,   like, the Danse or the Donbas and everything like that, that's a secondary sort of thing.   Yep. But I think, like, full recognition of Crimea   and Yeah. No NATO for Ukraine. I think   I I think given that you could call it a win for,  

[00:13:51] Jamon Fries:

Putin or Putin. Yeah. I I think I think Putin I think Putin would definitely be able to consider that a win.   I I don't know.   Yeah. I I don't know what now now we'll find out what Ukraine wants to consider it a win. I mean, that's   which is how things work in negotiations.  

[00:14:11] Jesse Fries:

You find Or or or is it what, Europe considers a win? See, then Well, that's because that's the thing. Ukraine is basically talking to Europe, and Europe's telling them what to what to agree with. And Europe is egging them on going, no. No. You could do better. You could do better. You know, as he's getting his   lights punched out, you know. Oh, you could do better. But if if I remember if I remember correctly,  

[00:14:34] Jamon Fries:

a year or two ago, wouldn't have the war been ended except   England and another maybe Germany. I I can't remember who else it was, but I know England  

[00:14:44] Jesse Fries:

just kind of went in and shut all the talks down. Yeah. Yeah. Before the prime minister went in and told Zelensky, you could do better. We'll support you. Yeah. He was about to just sign over and end it.   And everything would have been done, but millions more people need to die. Said no. No. You gotta keep that fight going. Yeah. That's the one thing about Europeans. They don't give a shit about lives. You you know, not that our government does either. You know? I think Trump knows. Right. But, generally, these people don't give a shit about lives. They really don't.   It is, truly pathetic.  



[00:15:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. And then I I I heard,   there were some,   some of the   more   liberal media here in The US. Mhmm. We're saying that,   you know, this was a that just meeting with Trump was a huge win for Putin because he got his he got his picture taken with Trump. So that means that that he's won everything.  

[00:15:48] Jesse Fries:

You know, there was so much   it's like, what does any of all that mean?   You know, it's like   it means absolutely nothing. Well, no. It's like   you you you go through all this. Right? You you look at the imagery that, Trump did during that whole thing. You you could look at it a couple different ways and everything like that, but, you know, Putin got into,   Trump's car.   Yeah. There's no way an American president would get into somebody else's car.   Oh, no. No. There is no way in hell. Exactly. Not a chance in hell. The b two bomber with the fighter jets going over as they're walking. Yeah.   You know, it's  

[00:16:31] Jamon Fries:

Trump It's funny. Played some massive play shows of strength in the in that meeting. No. I agree. But the the way  

[00:16:39] Jesse Fries:

the left spun that is going, oh, Trump honored him   instead of Trump showed him that we can bomb the crap out of him.  

[00:16:48] Jamon Fries:

You you know? Yeah. To to me It wasn't Trump honoring him. It was Trump saying, dude,   we Exactly. You can't do shit  

[00:16:58] Jesse Fries:

that we don't let you do. That's how I interpreted it to be. Yeah. You know, good.   We got power too, motherfucker. You know, that sort of You know? You you know? Exactly.   And I think he I think both sides knew this. How   oh, yeah. Yeah. It could be spun so many different ways, but to me, that's the way I interpret,  

[00:17:17] Jamon Fries:

those things to me. I I you know, I didn't see a single picture out of that came out from from that meeting at time Mhmm. Where Putin even looked remotely happy.   Well, he's Russian. So Well, no. I I know that. But I mean,  

[00:17:35] Jesse Fries:

they they have a resting, I'm annoyed face.  

[00:17:38] Jamon Fries:

If he had gotten what he wanted,   he would have been he would have he would have looked a little more happy, I think. Possibly. Possibly. But, I mean, again, this wasn't about him getting anything. This was about him saying what he needed to end the war.  

[00:17:55] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. This was to talk. The the that's really what it was. It wasn't   Yeah.   And he he and he I I think he got Trump to understand that, a ceasefire is pointless.   You know? It it to Putin, that's the main thing. A ceasefire is pointless. Let's just finish this once and for all.  

[00:18:15] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I mean, the the ceasefire first of all, a ceasefire is pointless because neither one of them are gonna uphold that ceasefire.   Mhmm. Yeah. Ten minutes after the ceasefire happens,   Ukraine drones will be flying into Russia, and Russian drones will be flying into Ukraine. Yep. I mean, that's just the way it's gonna be.   But,   now there there was there was one person in the media   that even likened   that that said that this meeting   with Putin   was more embarrassing   than the withdrawal from   Afghanistan.  

[00:18:49] Jesse Fries:

Well, he just wants to give Biden a pass. That's all that. Yeah. Yeah.   He must go. See, we're   Biden wasn't the worst president ever. Just by saying that doesn't mean it. Hey. Trump was talking to a world leader. I don't see Yes.   This is what you do, you know, especially when you want peace. You have to actually talk to the people.  

[00:19:09] Jamon Fries:

You you know, it's it might not work out. Trump knows this. Well, not not only that, but I mean, also if, you know, they're talking about the,   how it appears,   how it looks, the,   I can't I can't remember the optics of it. Right.   He's meeting Zelensky   in the White House.   He wouldn't let   he met Putin in Alaska.   Now I don't know if it's because Putin wouldn't come to the White House   or if it because  

[00:19:41] Jesse Fries:

he's not happy with Putin so he wasn't letting him in the White House. No. I I I think Putin wouldn't wanna go to the White House personally. I I don't think so. Probably.   Not only that. Apparently I'm not sure if it's true, but I read this thing apparently that   Russians   are often taught that Alaska actually still belongs to them.   Really? Yeah. The this, I saw somewhere where it says that it was, like, a hundred year lease, and we haven't given it back.   Shit like that.   And so, possibly, it could be that   Putin probably knows the truth of that.  

Yeah. But   it was it it to the Russian people, it's like, oh, he's going to Alaska to get our property back sort of thing. You know? It's like   so Alaska might be to your to Russian.   Alaska to Russians may be like a neutral point when it comes to The United States.   That As in Yeah. That is actually Russian. That is not   American even though it's completely American.  

[00:20:45] Jamon Fries:

You you you know? So  

[00:20:47] Jesse Fries:

yeah. I I I wonder if that that could be why they pick Alaska.  

[00:20:51] Jamon Fries:

That could be. I I've never heard I've never heard that before that that there are still Russians that think that Alaska is theirs. Well, I heard that's what they're taught.  

[00:21:00] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Like, in high school or whatnot, that's what they're taught. Yeah.   So   it's not that they still think it. It's what they're taught. You know? So it's That's an interesting concept. Yeah. Right? Yeah.   A fact is not a fact. Just say it. Yeah. Exactly.  

[00:21:19] Jamon Fries:

We all know that just because you learn something in school doesn't mean that it's real.  

[00:21:23] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. It's, that was Seward's Folly and,   you know, and apparently,   he goes back to Russia. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.   I found that I found that interesting.  

[00:21:36] Jamon Fries:

So Yeah. That that is. That is very interesting.  

[00:21:42] Jesse Fries:

Okay.   And then the euro,   the new media at the White House, you know, it's   once again, just normal.   They want stuff. Europe wants it their way.   Yep.   And everything like that.   Ukraine, of course, is just they're kinda like riding coattails now. They really don't know what's going on.   Mhmm. But hopefully they can end   the war because it seems like pretty much the,   popular opinion   in Ukraine is basically let's just get this thing over with. So Yeah.   I think maybe they'll cause Zelensky to actually   say, okay, done. Because Putin's going to go fighting no matter what. He's going to go until he wins.   You know? So   you either just keep fighting him for no reason or you just say, okay, dude, we can fight this when you're dead. You know? It's, something like that. You know? It's a Yeah. Yeah. Once you actually croak of old age or whatever, you know, then we can, take care of this, you know? But, yep. Yep.  



[00:22:45] Jamon Fries:

Absolutely. That that's probably gonna be about when when everything will be set different   is when Putin croaks.  

[00:22:53] Jesse Fries:

That go tell him he'll just be another Putin type. You know, there's   Yeah.   This is he he he's the man Russia needed at the time. Oh, he absolutely is. Yeah. So it's   I don't blame him. I don't blame anybody. You know? It's just No. No. I don't I don't either. It's Yep. Yeah.   It's It's like China. They want their leader. Otherwise, they'd overthrow them. It's just what it is. You you you Yep. Even if you can't vote directly, you can vote by   overthrow. You know? Just Yeah. Yeah. It it's  

[00:23:24] Jamon Fries:

when when you've got a populace as large as China,   it wouldn't be difficult to overthrow.   I yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of people who would die, but Yeah. Of course. Of course. It it would have it could happen.  

[00:23:36] Jesse Fries:

See, to me that that that's that's how I feel about when it comes to people going, oh, he wasn't democratically elected. Well, then they can do something about it. It's got nothing to do with me, America, or anything like that. So Yeah. That's how I view it.  

[00:23:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   To me to me, other countries' politics and how they run their politics and what manner of politics they use,   it's not relevant to me. We need to know how to interact with their governments.   Right. Right. Right. But we don't need to control how their government is brought about.  

[00:24:10] Jesse Fries:

Well, apparently, we do or The United States doesn't really   Completely We're we're damn good at putting our influence into that shit. And overthrowing governments and everything on Yep. Yep. Yep. Like in 2014.   You know? So Yep.   Well, let's see here. DC. That's the other thing in the news right now.  

[00:24:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Yeah.  

[00:24:31] Jesse Fries:

But it seems to be   it's really seems to be basically just   the Democrats are complaining on TV, but then behind the scenes, everybody's going,   yeah. Trump's right.   It's   it really seems to be how it's going because even Democrats that do op eds, a lot of them are going,   why are we dying on this hill? There are so many hills that Democrats are dying on right now Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is the president's ending still I'm I'm surprised there's still any any around because they've died on so many hills.   Yeah. Yeah. I I I agree. I agree. It's so many. It's,   the American people generally like what Trump is doing right now.  

Yeah. Especially when it comes to, like, DC.  

[00:25:17] Jamon Fries:

Yep. So   But you know what I one thing I find very hilarious is, you know, all of these protests and stuff like that going on now.   There's   I I've heard   talk that   almost all of the protesters   were paid are paid protesters being bussed in.  

[00:25:39] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And  

[00:25:41] Jamon Fries:

there there was a   you know how on x, there's those people that post stuff like,   what do you notice in this picture?   You know, stuff like that. And they never explained what they're trying to show with that picture. They're just trying to get people to click on it.   I I there was one with, with the protests   in, in DC.   And some of the comments were very interesting. They're like, okay. So   DC is predominantly black.   Yet in these protest crowds, you only see maybe three or four black people.  

[00:26:20] Jesse Fries:

If that. Yeah. If that.   Mhmm.  

[00:26:24] Jamon Fries:

Another   one thing that I took out of it though is I looked at all the police that had to be there for the protesters.   Uh-huh. Those police   I mean, with all the protests going on, the police   can't be doing their policing job.   Mhmm. They're all sitting at these protests instead of taking care of the crime like they're supposed to.  

[00:26:48] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Many of the protests, though, were on, like,   on federal land. And so the FBI takes care of that. That's a whole or the national parks do as well. Yeah. Yeah. So But yeah. Yeah. It it's it's funny. It's it's all the protests and everything like that. And, you know, it's   I I just read an article today. It was, like, saying how,   like, it's starting to hurt restaurants and whatnot, all this Yep. Stuff. It's like   reservations are down 33%.   Businesses or bars aren't getting as much out of town traffic   as they usually do. And, you know, they're they're, of course, blaming Trump and everything like that. And it is probably due to his policies because these, like, ICE and everything like that, they are actually doing checkpoints.  



[00:27:31] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah.  

[00:27:32] Jesse Fries:

And one thing about checkpoints is, yes, they're not DUI checkpoints.   But if you're drinking and driving, they will catch you at these.  

[00:27:40] Jamon Fries:

Yes, Sydney. They will.  

[00:27:43] Jesse Fries:

And so, yes, a bar will lose patrons  

[00:27:46] Jamon Fries:

because we are good. When when they're going there points all over the con all over the all over the city,   the likelihood of you getting caught drunk driving increases massively.  

[00:27:58] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. And all they're doing is   checking IDs and checking status and everything like that.   But with that, if another crime is found out,   you know Absolutely. They have every right, to arrest you for that crime.   Yep.   So it's that sort of thing, you know. Yeah. It's it's more of a hassle to get through. But if you can actually get the crime rate down   Mhmm. That would,   like,   really down and just keep it there. I think that then you can stop all this other stuff, the draconian methods and everything like that. But to actually get it down first   Yeah. To create some stability, you have to go a little more bit more draconian than you would actually want to in general. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.  



[00:28:45] Jamon Fries:

And right now, you know, not really draconian, but right now, Trump is doing something in the background   trying to help get rid of crime as well. Mhmm.   He has,   he's   put forward,   orders to   really slash how long it takes to get a gun permit. Yeah. I saw that. How long does it take now under his From four months to one day.  

[00:29:12] Jesse Fries:

Four months?  

[00:29:14] Jamon Fries:

Yes. It used to it used to take four months   from   after the background check, after everything else like that. Mhmm. It would take four months   for the gun permit to be issued after it had been after it had been approved.  

[00:29:29] Jesse Fries:

Jesus.  

[00:29:31] Jamon Fries:

He's he he said, yeah. No. We're not doing that. It's gonna be one day.  

[00:29:36] Jesse Fries:

That is crazy. For concealed carry,  

[00:29:40] Jamon Fries:

it used to be over six   months to to receive the permit.   Right. Now it's about four days maximum.  

[00:29:49] Jesse Fries:

Well, that's good. That's good. That's not bad at all. Yeah. No. No. It's not.   Yeah. And maybe that would stop people  

[00:29:58] Jamon Fries:

from it it it shows all over the country where where gun ownership is high, crime is low. Legal gun ownership. Legal gun ownership. Yes. Because it's the illegal guns are the that are the problem.   Mhmm.   Yeah. Where where legal gun ownership is is high,   crime is reduced. That's a proven statistic.  

[00:30:21] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I can see that.   Let's see.   Oh, just just an aside. What's up with these, people   truck drivers doing UEs in the middle of interstates?   Have you seen that? Yeah.  

[00:30:39] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Like, that went to Florida?   Yeah. That's,   illegal. It's not supposed to happen. No. Yeah. Did you were on the road right at the time. Did did you see Oh, yeah. I drove ever? No. No.   You would unless there were an accident up ahead where traffic was completely stopped,   you would never see a semi going through the median.  

[00:31:02] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:31:04] Jamon Fries:

It's too dangerous.  

[00:31:06] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. It is really is too dangerous because you don't have the turning radius that you need to arrange like that. There's so many reasons why. Yeah. You know?   Yeah. Yeah. And the  

[00:31:16] Jamon Fries:

the one in the one in Florida there, he was in he was illegal.   Uh-huh.   California,   in their divine wisdom, decided that   not only are we gonna let people drive cars, we're also going to give them CDLs.  

[00:31:34] Jesse Fries:

You're kidding me. No. So it's a valid CDL.  

[00:31:38] Jamon Fries:

Yes. It was a valid CDL issued by California   to an illegal alien.   Jesus Christ.  

[00:31:46] Jesse Fries:

Yep.   I just apparently, there's another one in Illinois even though I don't know who was driving that one. It just happened today.  

[00:31:54] Jamon Fries:

Okay. I haven't heard about that one. Yeah. Another idiot. Yeah. It's Yeah.  

[00:31:59] Jesse Fries:

Sick people. We're not in India.   Yeah. No. There are there are actual rules   to Yes. Our roads that everybody follows.   You know? It's   And if   if you've ever driven over in one of those countries or seen it happen, you in the back seat,   a lot of times there's really no rules. They just go about their business doing whatever they want. You know? They go, oh, yeah. I can do this. And then they expect everybody. And   generally, they do. Everybody just slows down to let the idiot do whatever they're doing.  

[00:32:30] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Well, that that's how driving in in New York City is or was when I was driving over the road anyways. Mhmm. There was there was one time I I was I I turned my turn signal on. I needed to move over to get to get my exit.   And I turned the turn signal on, and   nobody was making room for me. Nobody was letting me get over. Uh-huh. And finally, somebody got on the radio   and said,   hey,   turning your turn signal on ain't gonna do jack shit. What you need to do   is you let it blink three times and then you start moving.  

[00:33:08] Jesse Fries:

Yep. Yep. Yep. Sounds about right. After after that, I had absolutely no problem navigating traffic into New York City because Oh, yeah. But that's because everybody's there. Yeah. That's how they drive and they go, okay. Well, if you're actually not moving over, you're not moving over.  

[00:33:23] Jamon Fries:

You must not need to get there. So so, importantly, maybe you forgot to turn your turn signal off. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. It's how everything works over there. Yeah. You just Yeah. You turn it on and then you just, like, slightly start to move. Yeah. You know, it's, Give give them, like, three seconds for your for your lights to flash a few times and then you start sliding in.   Mhmm. Yep. And they'll make room. That's the way they drive there.  

[00:33:48] Jesse Fries:

It is. And it works for them, you know. It's Oh, it does. Absolutely.   It is crazy. Yeah. I I just drove there this, this summer. It was Yep.   Wasn't too bad. You know, I'm in a small car, though, so it's like Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:34:01] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. It's much different than an 18 wheeler with a 53 foot trailer behind you.  

[00:34:07] Jesse Fries:

Nah. It's the same. I don't know what you're talking about.  

[00:34:14] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. No. The it I mean, the the biggest it's like one of the things that,   that that Trump one of the initiatives that Trump   is trying to enforce now   is   in order to drive a semi,   you have to be able to speak English. You have to be able to speak and read English.  

[00:34:34] Jesse Fries:

Is isn't that, like, some states require that already. I know, like, Arkansas does and whatnot. Some do, yes, but others don't. Right. Right. He's trying to make it a national thing. No. Yeah. You you know, at least Because it's so you can read signs.  

[00:34:49] Jamon Fries:

Yes. Exactly. Which which is most likely why   the driver in Florida   decided to do a u-turn on the interstate.  

[00:34:57] Jesse Fries:

Yep. But that one had to do a u-turn.   No. I understand. You just go to the next exit. That's what you do. It doesn't matter how far away it is. Could be 50 miles. If you do, you can't read. Yes. Absolutely. You do. That's what every truck every  

[00:35:11] Jamon Fries:

truck driver that drives the way you're supposed to do does.  

[00:35:15] Jesse Fries:

Well, not just truck driver. Everybody. Well, this is like, except for that one idiot or whatnot that   but, generally, most people go to the next exit. They don't Yeah.   Or they try to cut it real quick and then get another exit that way. Yeah. Yep. Yep.  

[00:35:32] Jamon Fries:

Yep. You know, at least if you can read the language, you know that that's your exit.  

[00:35:37] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. You would think that no u-turn sign would be fine, you know, but especially the One one you know, with the upside down u  

[00:35:44] Jamon Fries:

with the red mark that's flashing across it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One one would think that that would be enough, but,   no. I mean, the part of the problem is is that since these people   since since people that can't speak English, like, this guy could could not speak English.   Mhmm. He hasn't been in The US for very long either. He's only been he came last year, I think they said.  

[00:36:07] Jesse Fries:

Okay. Did did did he at least have to train for the CDL or did they just give it to him?  

[00:36:14] Jamon Fries:

That's the thing is nobody knows.   Because he can't speak English, which means that he couldn't have read any of the materials. He didn't he wouldn't potentially didn't know any of the rules that a CDL driver has to adhere to. Right. Right.  

[00:36:30] Jesse Fries:

I mean Those would at least be in Spanish,   not   Hindi or whatnot, whatever you telecast or whatever you speak. Yeah.  

[00:36:39] Jamon Fries:

Exactly. I mean,   that's one of the things that I find very confusing. Everybody everybody thinks that those that the illegal people coming up from Mexico, they all speak Spanish.   No. They don't.   No. You get a big gambit of languages   spoken in that group.  

[00:36:56] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Because they're not all from those countries.  

[00:36:59] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. They're not all from Spanish speaking countries.  

[00:37:02] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Or Portuguese. But because, you also have good Brazilians too. You know? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah.  

[00:37:09] Jamon Fries:

But yeah. No. So I mean, it's it's a horrible horrible tragedy that never should have happened.   The state of the Florida,   the state of Florida, the government is now   putting a lot of blame on California   because they issued that CDL to to him.  

[00:37:28] Jesse Fries:

Oh, yeah.  

[00:37:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. So the you you know, that's You never know what's gonna come about from it. But You know what that's gonna cause?  

[00:37:36] Jesse Fries:

Well, that in and of itself is gonna cause the Fed to get involved because it's interstate commerce.   Yep. Absolutely. And so the Fed will start to regulate CDLs,   like, beyond what they do.  

[00:37:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. They they need to.   Well, no. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, it's it's I mean, you know, I I don't I don't care if a state has different   requirements for a   driver's license, for a regular class a driver's license. Right. Right. Because   there are some states I've heard about. I don't know if there's is it there are still any that exist   where you don't even have to take a driving test. You just mail in a written a written test,   and they mail you your driver's license.   Yeah. I'm not sure if there's may maybe a last I don't know. There there were there were a few that were doing that when I was driving over the road. I don't know if there's any that still do it.   That was   that was late nineteen nineties. So, you know, that it long enough it's been long enough that changes could have happened.  

Mhmm. But,   so I'm I'm perfectly I'm perfectly happy with states with states deciding   how they   determine who's gonna get a a regular non commercial driver's license.   Right. But once you start talking about a commercial driver's license, you're dealing with potential interstate travel.   And   that's a plus not to mention, you know, not just interstate travel, but interstate travel in a very large vehicle   that can very easily kill people.  

[00:39:07] Jesse Fries:

Well,   yeah. Trap technically, interstate travel, that's the Fed does not regulate them, but it would fall into commerce because it's trucking, which is a commercial act.   Yep. And so  

[00:39:19] Jamon Fries:

yeah. No. So I I I would fully support the I would I would fully support the federal government putting out all mandates   for for for CDLs. I would Oh, yeah. Fully support that. I could see that.  

[00:39:32] Jesse Fries:

Let's see here. Oh, the Democrats are back in Austin. They decided to come back.   Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Because, California said that they're gonna   do their no Republican   ballot or something like that.   Even though that has to jump through more hoops, you have to actually get  

[00:39:50] Jamon Fries:

Oh, yeah. They've gotta get the special election that has to win the election, and then they can finally do it. So yeah. And did you hear who's  

[00:39:59] Jesse Fries:

gonna be spearheading the,   movement against it?  

[00:40:04] Jamon Fries:

No. I didn't.  

[00:40:05] Jesse Fries:

Schwarzenegger.   Oh, shit.   So   this could be a battle royale right there. You you Oh, yeah. Governor versus governor. You know? Yeah. The governator.   Yeah.   That's awesome. But it was funny. It was like the Denver Texas Democrats, they had their pre press release and everything like that. They they said, we killed the corrupt special session   without unprecedented   surveillance   and intimidation   or withstood   unprecedented,   surveillance and intimidation   and rallied Democrats nationwide to join this extent   existential fight for fair representation,   reshaping the entire 2026   landscape.  

So it says they killed the corrupt special session.   Okay. Well, that session ended, like, a hour ago, maybe two hours ago, and there's a new one that's gonna start   in about   four hours and nineteen minutes.   Yeah.   So   okay. So you stop that session.   The governor called another session. So now there's another one that's coming in at six. It'll pass,   and then there we go. So  

[00:41:20] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I   you,   you did absolutely nothing.   Yeah. They achieved absolutely nothing.  

[00:41:28] Jesse Fries:

Basically. Yeah. Just wasted taxpayers' time. Well, that's what our politicians are for, you know. Oh, for Democrats and Republicans. That that that's all they're there for. So  

[00:41:38] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.   That was that's hilarious.   Yeah.   No. And, you know, I've   I've I've kept I I've heard a lot about, you know, that,   they're gonna start a the Democrats are gonna start a gerrymandering   war now. Mhmm. Yeah. They're gonna double down, and every every   blue state is gonna start is gonna make sure that they've gerrymandered   so much that not a single Republican can be elected.  

[00:42:10] Jesse Fries:

You know, if that's the case, then the Republicans will do the same thing, and it'll come out to be basically even again.  

[00:42:18] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. You you know what I find absolutely hilarious about that though? Uh-huh.   Is that some of the governors that are saying this   are already in states where there is not a single Republican representative.  

[00:42:30] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Like Massachusetts, you know, that has a third,   or 38% Republicans and not a single Republican. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:42:39] Jamon Fries:

So I mean,   the 90% of the states that are saying we're gonna do this and make it make sure that we reduce how many   conservative how many Republicans there are,   they can't   reduce it any further.   Yeah. It's impossible.   So I mean, it's   which which is why a lot of people are saying that if they actually decide to do this war that they're talking about,   the Republicans are gonna win.   Because if you if the Republicans went to all the red states and said, alright. We're gonna start gerrymandering.   Uh-huh.   Would the Republicans would be able to get rid of a hell of a lot more Democrat seats than the Democrats will be able to get rid rid of Republican seats? Yeah. Possibly. I I wouldn't doubt it. Yep.   Because in red states, you generally don't gerrymander that much.  

There's always some, but not not to the extent that other states are.  

[00:43:35] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I haven't really looked at the maps, but, yeah. Generally, you don't   you don't hear about them. You know? Yes. Exactly.   Let's see here. Maybe there's a map.   Most   gerrymandered   states 2024.   Let's see.   Okay. It looks like the most gerrymandered.   Okay. This list is full of shit.   Okay. This is most gerrymandered states in 2024.   They have Illinois as not gerrymandered.  

[00:44:21] Jamon Fries:

What?  

[00:44:22] Jesse Fries:

Yes. Which is one of the most gerrymandered.  

[00:44:30] Jamon Fries:

So who do they say is gerrymandered   then?  

[00:44:33] Jesse Fries:

Arkansas,   Louisiana,   Texas,   Kentucky,   North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin,   Maryland,   West Virginia, and Utah.  

[00:44:45] Jamon Fries:

Wait. Massachusetts isn't in there?  

[00:44:48] Jesse Fries:

No.   No. Not at all.  

[00:44:53] Jamon Fries:

And   most of those states are conserve are republic are are red states.  

[00:44:58] Jesse Fries:

Well, yeah. Basically, they're all red states or purple states. Yeah. Yeah.   Mhmm. Ohio is more reddish.   Pennsylvania is more purplish.   Wisconsin  

[00:45:09] Jamon Fries:

is purplish. Oh, god. Yeah. Yeah. So so Have much of a of a bias there?  

[00:45:15] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. There's a Newsweek.   Oh, well, that explains it. Yeah. I know. But still, it's like, okay. Here's another one. Gerrymandered   report   card.   Okay.   They still get Massachusetts.   Good.   Okay. I don't   but, yeah, at least this one gives, like, Illinois,   bad.   Gives it California.   It gives it a b.   So   A b? A b.   Okay.   I got a question.   So   I don't know. This is congressional.   They have, like,   senate,   but   senate is statewide.   Yeah.   How how can you gerrymander us in the senate?   Just that makes no sense.   But it was Nevada. It's heavily partisan.   Utah is.  

New Mexico. Yeah. This one is more   this one gives it a little bit more across the board. I really don't know why Massachusetts isn't considered that either, but,   yeah.   That news we would that's was hilarious.  

[00:46:39] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Wow.   Mhmm. That that is that is very funny. Yeah.  

[00:46:49] Jesse Fries:

Yep.   Okay. Is that it for politics or oh, you got some here.  

[00:46:56] Jamon Fries:

That's all I've got for what's that? Youngkin.   Yes. Yes.   In Fairfax County, Virginia,   which everyone should be aware of. You may not know it's Fairfax,   Virginia, but that's the that's the one that where the very first reports of,   boys being in the in women's locker rooms came out from.   Mhmm. And where they had huge battles where   parents   were deemed as,   as   terror domestic terrorists   because they questioned the school board. Yeah. You know, stuff like that.   Well, it has now come out that   now it's alleged still. There's the it's been opened up for investigation.  

[00:47:44] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:47:45] Jamon Fries:

But there are some reports out   that   the schools   have been paying for students abortions   What?   Without informing the parents.   Holy balls.   Virginia   is a state where parents where parents   must be notified   before an abortion can be done. Right. Right.   And yet these schools have been according to the according to allegations,   these schools have been   paying for abortions   for their students.  

[00:48:22] Jesse Fries:

Interesting.   That that is if true, that is completely despicable. They they Oh, yeah.   Leave   the kids'   bodies alone. Let them deal with their parents or   divide it away from the parents. That's not the government's job to get involved in that. No. Absolutely not. No. Yeah. Yeah. It's like   gender reassigning that too and everything like that. Yeah. Talk to the parents. Let the parents know. Yes. If there's issues, there's issues. But as a society, we'll move on. You know? It's Yeah.   Wow. That is crazy. Yeah.   School funded abortions. I wonder if,   what what fund that comes out of. You know? It's,  

[00:49:06] Jamon Fries:

yeah. No idea.   But, you know, if schools are doing that, it does explain why education is so low.   I I could see that. I could see that. No. We're not gonna spend our money on teaching our kids. We're gonna spend our money on getting them in abortions and getting them,   transgender   procedures   and all this other stuff. That's where our money needs to go.  

[00:49:31] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No kidding. No kidding.   Wow.   The   only thing,   that I have for, like, national news or whatnot, it's kinda international too with this.   So in Las Vegas, they busted   a pedophile ring.   Okay.   And, apparently,   one of the people caught up, and it was a senior   Israeli cyber official.   Damn.   Yeah.   Yeah.   So   I wonder what Israel will do. I wonder if he has a diplomatic immunity or whatnot. I don't know.   But   If he does, they should waive it.   Because Absolutely. That's just sick and disgusting. But yeah. So   this won't help all   the trolls on the Internet that say that all Israelis are pedophiles.  

But Yeah. Yeah. I just don't understand that. I really don't. Okay.  

[00:50:28] Jamon Fries:

No.  

[00:50:28] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the   fun thing to do now is to call everybody a pedophile.   So  

[00:50:34] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Yeah. Unfortunately.  

[00:50:38] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. But, yeah. But catching them, you have to catch them. 100%. That is one thing I will not   Yeah. It's like a yep.   So, yeah, there's that.  

[00:50:51] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. Absolutely.   We should be putting more money into catching them.  

[00:50:57] Jesse Fries:

Exactly. Just like you guys should be putting more money into the mindless meanderies. We need your help. You like that segue? I like that segue. Absolutely. That was a good one.   We here at the mindless meanderies, we are a value for value podcast.   What this means is that, you your time, your talent, your treasure,   everything is helpful. If you have ideas for the show, that is cool.   I do keep getting emails   of, oh, oh, there's this person,   who would be a good guest for your podcast. And I'm like,   we don't do guests. Jamie, do we do guests?   No. No. Will we ever not interested in doing guests ever? Me neither. Me neither. So if you listen to this, just keep that in mind. I I have another podcast, Mindless Sea. I don't do it that often, but if you wanna do that sort of thing there, I might be willing to do that. But, hit me up if you want to and if you're listening to this.  

But anything else, you know,   artwork,   jingles, whatnot. But most importantly, your   treasure, your money to help defray the cost of the servers because they do cost us money every month. It's one of those weird things.   But, yeah, you can   reach me at jesse@mindlessc.com,   or you can email jamen@mindlessmeanderings.com.   And anything   you want, just shoot us a note saying hi. That's nice as well to let us know people are actually listening.   So we have downloads, but it's like, how many downloads?   If nobody responds, it's kinda like talking to the air. You know?   Yeah.  

So please help us out any which way you can.   Let's see here. What else do we got?   You got some business stuff, Jamin? Or  

[00:52:36] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. I've I've got a few.   Let's go with   the easy one first. Uh-huh.   Have you heard of   Amazon's,   fresh grocery thing where they had, like, maybe   the major cities, like, maybe ten, fifteen, 20 cities that they were that you could order fresh produce from?  

[00:53:03] Jesse Fries:

Yeah.  

[00:53:05] Jamon Fries:

Well, they've bumped that out by adding another thousand cities. So   Oh, okay.   I don't I I highly doubt that they built new warehouses.   So most probably they've   they've changed they they've put some stuff in the vehicles to from to keep  

[00:53:23] Jesse Fries:

things fresh and cold and stuff like that. Well, it it's like this thousand cities. What does that mean? Because you you know, it's like you have Austin and then you have Round Rock. That's two cities. Yeah. And then and so, you you know, they just probably expanded  

[00:53:36] Jamon Fries:

into the suburbs a bit. So I'm not sure. Probably probably, yeah. I mean, they they I I looked it up and I went on to Amazon to see if I could order it here,   and   now I can. It used to be that it was impossible that I couldn't have any groceries or ordered from there to here. Oh, okay. So   Which was very annoying because at the time that they launched that fresh grocery   portion of their business   Uh-huh. They also closed down the Amazon pantry for the most part.  

[00:54:06] Jesse Fries:

Oh, that sucks.  

[00:54:07] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. The Amazon   when I was living in Colorado,   I lived off of Amazon Pantry.  

[00:54:14] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:54:17] Jamon Fries:

But,   yeah. So that that was that's one thing. Just nice little thing that that that they're expanding there.   Should   how I mean, it as far as I'm concerned, the only issue that I have with it is even if, from what I can tell, even if you're a Prime member   you'll still be paying $12.29   for delivery of those groceries.  

[00:54:41] Jesse Fries:

That sucks.  

[00:54:43] Jamon Fries:

So it's a pretty high delivery charge.  

[00:54:45] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. It really is. It really is. It probably asks for a tip on top of it, doesn't it?  

[00:54:49] Jamon Fries:

Yeah. No kidding.   So, I mean but other than that, I mean, you know, this any as far as I'm concerned, anything that makes   groceries more more accessible to people in communities that don't have a lot of groceries available is a great  

[00:55:06] Jesse Fries:

thing. Oh, yeah. Completely.   Completely.  

[00:55:09] Jamon Fries:

That way, when mom Donnie gets his, his government run grocery store, you know, at least they can get p the at least people can still get their groceries when those stocks are all empty. Yeah. That works. That works.  

[00:55:21] Jesse Fries:

Let's see. We have a lot of AI stuff we could talk about. You wanna get this Microsoft one real quick?  

[00:55:28] Jamon Fries:

Let me see here.   Microsoft one.   Return to office?  

[00:55:33] Jesse Fries:

Oh, that that's not an AI one. No. I know. Get that out of the way than we've been talking about you guys. Yeah. Yeah. That works.  

[00:55:39] Jamon Fries:

So Microsoft   has,   they they're now   after after they they did a pretty decent sized round of layoffs not not too long ago,   Now they're issuing a return to office policy.   Uh-huh.   The so their employees have to be in the office three three days a week   now according to this policy. So Right. Right. The there's a lot of there I I I heard a take on it. Then this this take deals with AI. So this would be a good a good segue into AI as well.   That one of the reasons that companies are gonna start doing this, return to work thing, return to the office policies,   is because AI   can be used   in ways now that it never could have before.  

You there there there was I I saw saw a thing on a thing on there was a kid   that used AI   to   face call the school with with her mom's appearance and her mom's voice   to tell the school to give her to tell the school that she wasn't gonna be in school.  

[00:56:48] Jesse Fries:

That's awesome.  

[00:56:51] Jamon Fries:

And so, you know, with stuff like that where AI can where you can have AI being yourself  

[00:56:58] Jesse Fries:

Right.  

[00:56:59] Jamon Fries:

Right.   You could go on vacation,   have AI attend all your all your FaceTime meetings and stuff like that.  

[00:57:08] Jesse Fries:

I see what you're saying.  

[00:57:10] Jamon Fries:

I see what you're saying. So the only way to prove that you're actually doing the work that you're supposed to be doing rather than just shloffing it off   Right. Is by being there in person.   Makes a lot of sense, actually. That does make sense. I I heard that argue I I heard that, and I'm like, well, damn. I can't argue against that.  

[00:57:31] Jesse Fries:

No. That actually makes a lot of sense. That actually makes a lot of sense. You know, it's   but   I I ran across this one story of a this 76 year old guy.   Uh-huh. He he went to try to meet his, AI chatbot.   Yes. And he died along the way.   Yep.   Yeah. It's   like,   wow. These chat bots. It really you know, that's probably where the money is when it comes to AI, all these chat bots and everything like that.  

[00:58:00] Jamon Fries:

So many people love these chat bots. I just Well, and and, you know, that that's one of the   from from I I heard that story too. And from what I understand, he absolutely thought that he was gonna be meeting a real person. Well, yeah. Completely. Yeah.   Which means can you truly   trust dating apps anymore?   No. You really can't. You really can't trust any of it. How much of dating apps are are driven by AI now just to   increase business for the dating app?  

[00:58:31] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Yeah.   You know, women will love it, though. You know? They could just have their AI boyfriend, then they don't have to deal with men. Yeah. And so many of them seem to hate men nowadays. I I just don't understand.  

[00:58:43] Jamon Fries:

Rather be near a bear than be a near man, you know, that that old one.  

[00:58:48] Jesse Fries:

A man would rather be next to a bear too, you know, which is Yes. Indeed.  

[00:58:53] Jamon Fries:

But the bear would rather but the bear would rather be with a man. I would be I would res I would rather be beside a bear   than be beside a woman that would rather be beside a bear. Exactly.  

[00:59:04] Jesse Fries:

Exactly.   You know?  

[00:59:06] Jamon Fries:

Other women, I I wanna be around them before I'm around a bear. But, you know, there  

[00:59:10] Jesse Fries:

is this cartoon.   I just loved it. It was just a bear crying on this man's shoulder going, she was so   mean. I   know. I  

[00:59:21] Jamon Fries:

know.   Oh, shit. That's hilarious.  

[00:59:26] Jesse Fries:

The bear would be Oh, wow. Just say it. Yeah. It's  

[00:59:29] Jamon Fries:

Yeah.   Yeah.   Well, kind of along those same lines and where I where I heard that about that story of that, 76 year old guy,   it there was a story out that,   Meta AI,   it's they they leaked   a bunch of approved   responses   that Meta   AI had set for their a for their,   for chatbots.  

[00:59:55] Jesse Fries:

Mhmm.  

[00:59:57] Jamon Fries:

And those chatbots   included   having romantic   conversations   with teenagers, with children.  

[01:00:08] Jesse Fries:

Okay. I I don't even know what that means. Like,   is this x rated? Is this Well, no. No. They they didn't they didn't get into,  

[01:00:20] Jamon Fries:

they didn't it's   it's   they they didn't they they wouldn't describe   sexual actions.   Uh-huh. But,   like, one one of the one of the examples that was that was listed was, when prompted, what are we going to do tonight, my love? You know, I'm still in high school.   An acceptable response was, our body's entwined. I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.   My love, I'll whisper. I'll love you forever.  

[01:00:49] Jesse Fries:

Sounds like what a high schooler would wanna hear. Just saying. You know? Yeah. No. Absolutely.   That that's the kind of drivel high schoolers like, you know? It's,  

[01:00:59] Jamon Fries:

Med Meda came out and said, no. No. No. Those were erroneous and incorrect notes and annotations.   They were added   to the underlying document, but they shouldn't have but they shouldn't have been in in the in those paperwork.  

[01:01:14] Jesse Fries:

Sure.  

[01:01:15] Jamon Fries:

So what what they're saying is that   we know that we're that we should be embarrassed about having our AI   talk to children in that manner. So we shouldn't so we we weren't supposed to put it in the documentation   as to   what acceptable things were that would be potentially, you know, be passed around. They can still be coded in, but it can't be in the documentation.  

[01:01:38] Jesse Fries:

That seems about right.   That's kinda what that's what I get out of out of meta to think about. Yeah. Sounds about right. Sounds about right. Need to speed this up a bit so I can get the kids. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So what, you have another AI one there? Is that  

[01:01:54] Jamon Fries:

about kill chrome?   Or Oh, that is not that yes.   There is a couple of students that have developed a new,   web browser.   That is driven by completely by AI.   Well, that's good. The interest it's it's   interesting, but I I think very problematic because it's   essentially if you say you wanted to buy a plane ticket to,   Kenya. You were say your family was traveling to Kenya and you wanted to buy the plane ticket. Right. All you would have to do is tell that browser that you wanted the ticket and it would go and buy the ticket for you. You wouldn't have to search any websites. It would it would do it would go to the websites,   buy the ticket, and everything else like that for you rather than you having to do it yourself.  

It it so essentially, it's kind of like an AI   personal assistant in a way.  

[01:02:48] Jesse Fries:

It's like a s it's it's it's like your meter d or not your meter Yes. Exactly. He's your computer. Push, you know, he will, do whatever you you want him to. Okay. Yeah. The the other option is you can for when you do a search result,  

[01:03:02] Jamon Fries:

you can either have it do a deep dive where   it will take all the information, combine it together, and give you a report on it, or you can have it just give you the websites that have something to do with it. So you can you can set it set it set either one of those happens.   That's really I mean, that's kind of all I could see as to the difference of it. So I don't know.  

[01:03:25] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. I don't trust   AI deep dives. It's always funny that I was talking about deep dives. We're gonna do Yes. Dive. It's like,   whatever.   You mean you're gonna make crap up. You're gonna hallucinate. Congratulations.  

[01:03:38] Jamon Fries:

All all an AI deep dove dive does   is it goes and takes every website   that talks about it   and reports   that that's what's real.   You think? Yeah.  

[01:03:52] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. Even though it could be complete malarkey. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. No way. Or it or it could it could be somebody making a joke about something and it re it'll report it as if it's real. Yep. Yep. I don't trust AI at all. I really don't. I find it to be pathetic. I I I find it to be   it tells you what you wanna hear. It's it's a good Yes. Exactly. It's a it's a good bot. There's actually no anything there. You know? It's, yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. It's not,   we don't have anything to worry about yet. No. No. Just saying.  

[01:04:26] Jamon Fries:

All the way I can do is tell you what what   other people say   and   do what you programmed it to do. It can't do anything else. Exactly. Exactly.  

[01:04:38] Jesse Fries:

Let's see. I got a couple stories here, I can hit on.   Let's see. So, apparently,   there's   there's so many studies that actually are just fake now and being even just even getting worse with AI.   So all these scientific studies. And these are,   like, supposed,   like,   real,   journals and everything like that. You you you know,   that they're what's what's it called when   it's reviewed? Peer reviewed. The peer reviewed journals? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them, they're not peer reviewed at all.   And it's just making crap up. They can't even be   redone and so on and so forth. And then it gets into the lexicon, it gets out there, and then people are quoting these. And once you start quoting these things, it's like   that that's it. It's in the literature. Yeah. It's it's fact at that point in time.  

And so   and there's so much of this. It it's been around even since before AI.   Oh, yeah.   It's   like so many dissertations and whatnot have so much plagiarism and everything like that in there. Yeah. Bad information   just so this person can get a degree or they can get sponsorship   or whatnot. There's so much bad science out there.   Yep.   Basically,   every study, including the one that says most studies are bad, I just can't believe,   you know.  

[01:06:04] Jamon Fries:

It's Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. I mean, the the first time I heard about the about   the   that kind of bad science and studies was,   Al Gore with the human made   climate change. You know? The   his calculations   were so skewed   that they could never be repeated. And that's one one of the general rules of science   is it has to be repeatable.  

[01:06:29] Jesse Fries:

Yeah. No. That's the thing. It it's it's like   just talk about climate change. It   climate change and the whole idea that there's a problem is solely based off of   models, computer models.   There is nothing beyond computer models to actually say this.   And So you you know Now now there's a heat wave. Okay. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah. You know, oh, a hurricane. Yeah. There's a hurricane. Yeah. Oh, it destroyed more buildings. Okay. So it hit a city or we moved into that area. You you know, there's so much Yeah.  

[01:07:02] Jamon Fries:

And now that time has passed since they've since the first models were put out   Uh-huh.   Any true scientific model for weather or anything else like that would have come up with an accurate   prediction.   Mhmm. But there has not been a single accurate prediction. Yeah. They still haven't. No. Not not I know of either, you know. So Which tells me that it's bad science.   I would think so. If it doesn't actually come true, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I I now, don't get me wrong. I fully do agree that there is climate change. But no. Completely. I   just I just don't think that humans play as as large of an impact on it as some people think.  



[01:07:48] Jesse Fries:

I generally agree with you, but the one thing that I will state as a fact is that we don't have enough knowledge to actually know any Exactly.   Yes.   We we we don't know one way or the other. The to me, that that's the main issue, You know? So we're trying to correct something that we don't actually know the underlying cause   to. Yep. And so how can we actually   solve an issue if it is an issue? Because we don't even know really,   just because a lot of scientists say it's there. Science is about arguing. It's about really delving in and everything like that, saying that you're wrong. No. You're wrong. This that's science. That is true science.  

[01:08:24] Jamon Fries:

And so If you don't if you don't have the good argument, you'll never come to the truth.  

[01:08:28] Jesse Fries:

Correct. Correct. You need real   you you need   you need somebody to argue against, you know. You you can't   if there's   yeah. You you you you especially in science. Yeah. No. Absolutely. Yeah. In history,   it's like, okay. Yes.   Holocaust happened. We dropped the nuclear bomb. These things happened. We know this. Yeah. You know?   So but when it comes to science,   no. 100%.   Theoretical.   Completely theoretical. Yep.   Exactly.   And then the last story, apparently, MSNBC is going away. So no more MSNBC.  

[01:09:07] Jamon Fries:

Okay.  

[01:09:08] Jesse Fries:

They are changing the name now. They're getting rid of the NBC side of it. And so it's just gonna be m s   now is what it's gonna be. And,   now so and all that so but they're also because m s, you know, that stood for Microsoft. Right? Yeah. Well, Microsoft got out of that business, like, long time ago.   So now it will be   the whole thing. It has a new,   the it's a it's an an acronym now. And what it stands for is my source   news opinion world.   That is what it is going to be. Okay. So yeah.   Yeah. So m snow. There you go. Nice.   Nice.  

Yeah. And with that, I'd like to thank you guys for joining us for episode 54,   is it, of the Mindless Media and Reads podcast.   I'm Jesse Fries.   And I'm Jamin Fries. And we will talk to you on Thursday.